Tripod/head recommendations

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I’m debating between a Gitzo GT 4543 Systematic Series 4 or an RRS TVC-34L Versa Series 3 with a FlexShooter Pro head; or a Fotopro E9 Eagle Series Tripod Kit for use with a D850 and a 500mm F4E. Birds in flight are an important consideration. Any and all observations, thoughts, or alternative suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
I've had both Gitzo and RRS and can tell you both are great, can't go wrong. My last purchase was an RRS and I like it a bit better than the Gitzo (I think I have the RRS model you're looking at). The RRS 3 series uses slightly larger diameter tunes than the Gitzo 3 series so it's close to a Gitzo 4 series. I can attest that it holds my D6 and 600 F/4E just fine so it would work well with your setup too. What I really liked about the RRS is the o-ring seals - my tripod is sometimes submerged and not having gunk get in there is nice :)

For heads, all I can say is my wimberley WH-200 is great. I have one that's 15+ years old and another newer one and you can scarcely tell them apart. They just work all the time under any conditions.
 
Thanks Steve. I'm leaning towards the FlexShooter and/or Eagle Gimbal which collapses because of smaller travel size. I know the Wimberley is totally reliable and bulletproof, but sometimes size matters. So many decisions, so little time. Hope you're feeling better.
 
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I have a D850 + 400 f2.8E on Leofoto LM-323C legs with their QR YB75 levelling-base. My lightest gimbal is a hybrid Jobu Jnr with Gimpro QR cradle-clamp. This has arca-swiss mount, so fits a telephoto plate I modified into the drop arm. I have ordered the RRS PG-CC cradle-clamp to align better over the centre, and it's a bit lighter than the Gimpro.
This setup is ideal for mobile work, but I also have the heavier Gimpro Gimbal for hide work etc: the needle-bearings are extra smooth.

After much research I chose this Leofoto for less weight but excellent stability. 3 leg sections are more than sufficient for my stature / situation, and minimize setup/adjustments etc (i don't often shoot up into trees etc). The local agent supports landscape photography locally and nationally, and the brand has replaced both Sirui and Gitzo for many of us in S Africa. They are excellent quality and more affordable - rated as Gitzo quality actually. The 3 and 4 Leofoto series correspond closely to the Gitzo 4 and 5 series, respectively. The self-levelling models are becoming most popular, especially in the Cape and Maluti-Drakensburg Mountains.

EDIT just noticed 2 threads here and here on tripod matters - also these lightest gimbals, and they reminded me of this excellent site:


I’m debating between a Gitzo GT 4543 Systematic Series 4 or an RRS TVC-34L Versa Series 3 with a FlexShooter Pro head; or a Fotopro E9 Eagle Series Tripod Kit for use with a D850 and a 500mm F4E. Birds in flight are an important consideration. Any and all observations, thoughts, or alternative suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Obviously Leofoto and also Fotopro are not shy of copying prominent products, but these models - RRS especially - are impossible to source locally in most countries. In fact the Gimpro copies the RRS qR lever system!

I have been asked to review a chinese gimbal (ie Leofoto) but it's yet to arrive - basically looks like a copy of the Katana Jnr. I'm always on the lookout for novel and lighter gimbals - although the Zenelli are too expensive! The fotopro gimbals get positive reviews, which is perhaps one of several reasons why they are basically unobtainable. Out of stock for months at BandH. The E6 H sounds ideal to avoid carrying a ballhead and a gimbal. (fyi This reviewer has a detailed comparisons of many gimbals)
 
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I have the Gitzo 5543 tripod and use a Benro GH2 gimbal head for my D850 with long glass, and have been very satisfied with this setup. The tripod is extremely well made, lightweight, and smooth - no issues at all. I debated whether to get the Wimberly or Benro gimbals and, in the end, went for the Benro with no regrets. I use it often in all conditions and it is very stable and smooth to operate. The Benro also is a few hundred $$ cheaper than the Wimberly. As Steve mentioned, it's hard to go wrong with either Gitzo or RRS.
 
Thank you all for taking the time to provide such thoughtful and comprehensive responses to my questions. I've spent the morning reading and researching your suggestions. I've concluded that there's a bunch of excellent equipment out there. I'm at the point where I'm trying to match the characteristics of the equipment to my style of shooting. My wife and I are seriousish birders. We go to many different settings. Sometimes we operate out of the vehicle, but mostly we walk when we can. I've been shooting a D850 with a Tamron 150-600 for several years, almost exclusively handholding, though I have a relatively inexpensive tripod for astrophotography and landscapes. I also have a monopod with a Wimberley head for when the shots are of greater distance - ocean and lakes for example. The idea of lugging around an extra 10 or more pounds of tripod and head has never been appealing. One is the weight, but the most important was the slow reaction time in getting a shot. The monopod was better on walks, but I still felt it slowed me way down and I would miss shots.

I rented a 500mm F/4 and TC a couple weeks ago and got to experiment a bit on the coast where I carried it on a shoulder harness and handheld for a day, used it on my monopod, and did some shooting out of the car. While I can still handhold the 500, I'm not sure about having the stamina to do it successfully for a multi-hour jaunt. Carrying the camera on the monopod over my shoulder worked well enough though after a couple days I had a groove in my shoulder. When I needed to be quick I could just pick up the whole thing and get it pointed in the right direction. When we went to places where I could set up and have the birds come to me, a tripod would, I'm sure, work well. The monopod did.

Weight and bulk of carrying a tripod are still a concern. Most combos, Gitzo, RRS, Wimberley, Kitana Jr, Fotopro Eagle 9 all weigh around 10 pounds. RRS legs or the Extra long Leofoto and a Flexshooter pro around 6 pounds - certainly better. The Flexhooter pro can also come with a lever clamp (costs extra) so when I jump in and out of the car it makes life easier. No need for an extra plate.

Thanks again for all the input. It's really helping me think this out.

PS: Does anyone have an opinion on a replacement foot for the Nikon 500 F/4E for balance on the head, as a carrying handle, and also with a 3/8" receptacle on the bottom for mounting a shoulder harness?
 
Having a quality tripod and head will improve your photography dramatically. Once you get used to a good gimbal head, getting action shots isn't a problem - I do it all the time. So many people resist using a tripod for "flexibility" but it is one factor that will stabilize your camera and result in more keepers. Sorry to preach but I had to learn the hard way.
 
Having a quality tripod and head will improve your photography dramatically. Once you get used to a good gimbal head, getting action shots isn't a problem - I do it all the time. So many people resist using a tripod for "flexibility" but it is one factor that will stabilize your camera and result in more keepers. Sorry to preach but I had to learn the hard way.
I appreciate your input. Change is always a struggle. Thanks.
 
Having a quality tripod and head will improve your photography dramatically. Once you get used to a good gimbal head, getting action shots isn't a problem - I do it all the time. So many people resist using a tripod for "flexibility" but it is one factor that will stabilize your camera and result in more keepers. Sorry to preach but I had to learn the hard way.
100% accurate. The main reason people don't like to use tripods is because they've never used a good quality one.
 
I did it the lazy and simple way ;). Having a friend that became pro more than 25 years ago and is into nature and wildlife more or less fulltime today, I look what he is using and listen to the arguments why he does it this way and I have never regretted to follow him. That said, when recommending things he always keeps in mind that it is a different story earning money with your images or just doing it for personal pleasure like me.

So, with getting my first big caliber gun some years ago (500 f4 G) I went for a Gitzo GT3532LS with a Benro GH2C Gimbal and I was really happy with the solution, apart from the fact that the combo was kind of bulky and taller than even a big photo backpack. As a consequence of overlooking the backpack significantly I occassionally got stuck withi it outdoors and got the privilege of special version of "head banging" in case the head came loose accidently while carrying it. I was able cope by means of additional straps etc. but it wasn't really nice.

A few weeks ago I changed the Gimbal for a FlexShooter Pro which is a huge improvement. Half the weight, so small and compact that the Gitzo with the head hardly exceeds the size of the backpack and despite looking like a ball head it keeps even my heaviest combination in balance and is rock-stable.

At the small end I used to have a Manfrotto XPROB190 (Aluminium with a center pole allowing to be turned sideways) combined with a Manfrotto 498RC2 head that I modified with 3rd party parts to make it Arca compatible. The combo is really flexible and relativy cheap these days, especially as there are many good used parts around.

Because due to a job in Ireland in 2019 I started thinking more about a travel setup of my camera gear. The first result iof that was getting the 500PF :D. Apart from that, the latest change I made was swapping my Manfrotto combo for a Feisol CT-3441 combined the CB-30D ballhead - again after having the chance to try this combnation of my frientd for a couple of times.

There were multiple arguments for the change. Firstly the Feisol stuff is much lighter than the older Manfrotto combo and still far more stable. Thinking about travelling and shooting wildlife with a long lens in challenging light conditions would make it benefitial to have a tripod being able to take the equipment and hold it reliably and stable.
This carbon fibre combo can cope with a D4s plus the 500PF without any problem, as long as you keep in mind that a bit of care is required because of using a normal ball head. This even works with the center pole pulled out. Of course under normal circumstances I would use the big tripod, but if you have to go smaller and lighter the small one is able to do the job quite easily. And there is still the option to put a FlexShooter Mini on the tripod, which would provide the additional safety against the long lens combo tipping over.

The only sacrifice to be taken with the Feisol compared to my old Manfrotto is that I can't put the center pole sideways anymore. But with an optional extra short center pole (easy to be swapped) you can - least get almost - get to ground level if needed.

Ignoring the bean bag for now, the third variation I use is the big GorillaPod with the Arca ball head. The big version can take quite a bit of weight. So, having the gripped D850 plus the pretty heavy AF 200 f4 Micro on it for tricky macro work is no problem and the arms are strong enough to have it "knotted" on a tree branch with the D4s plus the 500PF hanging off it.

Finally, due to @Steve 's article about the Wimberley MH-100 I decided to try out going with a Monopod and it workes really well. I combined the Gitzo GM4542 with this small Wimberley goodie and it is great if you are out shooting and more or less wnadering around rather than staying a one or a small number of place for longer time. the combo is designed for heavy stuff and it does the job really well (e.g. D4s plus TC plus 500 f4).One of the potential downsides are depending on your lens. To work flawlessly with this combo it is crucial that the tripod collar of your lens is going really well. Inmy case the collar of my old 500 f4 is not working as good as it used to and so moving around flawlessly like bending sideways with the monopod while keeping the frame level or changing from landscape to portrait setup or vice versa sometimes can become difficult. In my case, because of ths I changed the way of rotating the combo away from doing it a the camera body to actually gripping the lens barrel in front of the camera and turn it. I was in doubt whether I could put too much strain on the lens connector of the camera. On my normal tripod I can easily turn the combo directly from the camera.
 
The padding with the epaulettes on Raptor waistcoat really help. See link below for carrying lenses etc. If you need more padding, suggest get a piece of shock-absorbing rubber sown into the fabric (~3-5mm think SXH33 used for gym mats etc)

Ever found a way to cushion the tripod on the shoulder when carrying? My shoulder bones get sooooo sore with the tripod, gimbal and 600mm!

 
I’m debating between a Gitzo GT 4543 Systematic Series 4 or an RRS TVC-34L Versa Series 3 with a FlexShooter Pro head; or a Fotopro E9 Eagle Series Tripod Kit for use with a D850 and a 500mm F4E. Birds in flight are an important consideration. Any and all observations, thoughts, or alternative suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I've got the RRS TVC-34L as well. I also have the RRS gimbal head with cradle. Together they make a first rate kit for any lens, camera body and flash you could ever need. The workmanship is first rate and even after several years I have no issues. Support, service and replacement parts are readily available. The RRS gimbal head is made of three components that pack into a smaller package and can be used with other parts for macro rails or similar supports.

I've got several older Gitzo tripods. There are significant differences between the Gitzo and RRS tripods. The Gitzo hub and upper leg components are cast rather than milled. The material is relatively thin and brittle, and I have cracked the casting on the leg. The leg castings are actually cast metal that is thinner than a carbon fiber tube. Markins sells a replacement hub that is milled rather than cast. Replacement parts can be hard to find, and my replacement leg section cost $175 and had to be shipped from the UK because it was not available in the US and the factory in Italy was on summer holiday for a month. The twist leg locks on the Gitzo were innovative initially, but now others have twist locks that are a bit easier to handle. The RRS tripod has teardrop shaped feet that hold much better on angled surfaces, sand, or wet rocks. While Gitzo states a nice warranty, in practice they are not much help when it comes to repairs and worked out to simply a discount on replacement. I've experienced some minor issues - such as the epoxy holding the legs in place failing and needing repair on all three legs. Now I use my tripod a lot - and it has been under all conditions. My wife's Gitzo tripod of the same 3 Series model has had none of the issues I experienced. I also have an older alloy tripod I bought on eBay years ago, and it's nearly indestructible.

A 500 f/4 G lens is not a particularly big or heavy lens compared to a 600mm or 800mm. While I do recommend a gimbal head, the lighter weight means you have some options. If you had a 600mm lens, I would want a top rated gimbal like a Wimberley or RRS gimbal.

Don't underestimate the importance of service. If you spend $1000-1500 on a tripod and gimbal head, you'll want to be sure you can get service at a reasonable cost when needed.
 
No pool noodle recommendations? ;-)

Chris
I've actually used both pipe insulation and the stuff from LensCoat (which is pipe insulation with a strip of adhesive) but no matter what I do, over time they slide around on the legs - drives me nuts :)

So, I use pipe insulation for what it was meant for - window ledges when shooting from the car :D
 
A few weeks ago I changed the Gimbal for a FlexShooter Pro which is a huge improvement. Half the weight, so small and compact that the Gitzo with the head hardly exceeds the size of the backpack and despite looking like a ball head it keeps even my heaviest combination in balance and is rock-stable.
Finally, due to @Steve 's article about the Wimberley MH-100 I decided to try out going with a Monopod and it workes really well. I combined the Gitzo GM4542 with this small Kimberley goodie and it is great if you are out shooting and more or less wnadering around rather than staying a one or a small number of place for longer time. the combo is designed for heavy stuff and it does the job really well (e.g. D4s plus TC plus 500 f4).One of the potential downsides are depending on your lens. To work flawlessly with this combo it is crucial that the tripod collar of your lens is going really well. Inmy case the collar of my old 500 f4 is not working as good as it used to
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Woodpecker, thanks for your in depth comments. I have the small Wimberley on a monopod, using it with a tamron 150-600 with no problem, and have been wondering about that horizontal connection to the lens foot on a heavier lens. Will there be too much weight on the collar over time? I don’t have an arca Swiss plate or new foot for the 500 f/4 to try it out yet, it I’m hoping it works. If I get the flex shooter will I be using that on my monopod as well?

I am intrigued by the flex shooter pro as well, but I’m wondering about the 22 degree limitation on a tripod on tilting up and down. What do you think about that?
 
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