A1 or Z9

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dtibbals

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I'm curious what people think "one upping" the a1 or z9 would look like. Ie, what new features, or improvements that are not just incremental improvements.
If I had to guess it’s improved low iso, faster af, MP I think will hold around the 50MP for the next Gen, bigger buffer, adding more af modes like cars, planes and such which is pointless but they will do it to check the box, improved rear lcd, possibly giving the rear lcd more tilt options, they could possibly remove the mechanical shutter but I’d guess that’s more Gen 3, possibly have an option to lock the sensor when not in use.
Those are off the top of my head. I’m sure Sony has some advancements we haven’t even thought about just like Canon and Nikon likely do as well.
 

Hut2

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If I had to guess it’s improved low iso, faster af, MP I think will hold around the 50MP for the next Gen, bigger buffer, adding more af modes like cars, planes and such which is pointless but they will do it to check the box, improved rear lcd, possibly giving the rear lcd more tilt options, they could possibly remove the mechanical shutter but I’d guess that’s more Gen 3, possibly have an option to lock the sensor when not in use.
Those are off the top of my head. I’m sure Sony has some advancements we haven’t even thought about just like Canon and Nikon likely do as well.
Seems like Sony could use a bigger battery in the next gen also. I'm happy with everything now but I don't do video.
I'd just as soon not have any additional tilt functions personally, but that is probably popular.
 

O

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What do you think the R1 will do that the A1 and Z9 will not?
I feel only an opinion......mind you,

I have always said the game will be played out in late 2022..........for all three.............


Canon has the majority of the pro market and its going to do all it can to protect it at any cost.

Its move into mirror less has been ok so far............but not totally brilliant............or fully there yet.

The R3 is a band aid as was the Z6 Z7 series.

I feel the R1 will be refined in the tracking focusing, exceed in the video area, add more optional resolution levels, with more speed. All this will come with first class connectivity...........this will be complimented with more unique pro glass to compliment video needs.......... things like 120 - 300 Nikon glass etc.......

There has to be a 1dx Mk4 flagship rival, the R3 is not the chosen one...............

Its simple, the technology to produce something say as silly as 200mp at 80 fps full raw with each frame refocused............ exists...............its just a matter of putting in the processing horsepower and means to deliver it at a cost...........regardless of of brand............

I mean we all went nuts over 4 mp 6 mp 8 mp 12 mp and 800 iso 1600 iso 3200 iso when it came, we are now at 50/60 mp and 16,000 iso very usable, whats the common denominator, the industry held the line and used the creep method, or leap frogging method to preserve the collective industry alliance and profitable journey. Together they dominate the world market.

Canon has the capacity to deliver........or it wouldn't have the market share it has.............to date

You have Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, collectively they are all one and the same Japanese industry that dominate the global market.........and they all release new models all the time leapfrogging gently so as to not damage the market...........Same in the camera industry, Canon hasn't replaced its true full pro camera yet but when it dose it will generate a known response from Nikon and Sony as the camera obsolete pile gets bigger and bigger. watch out Panasonic and the interest in the consumer market they are brilliant in video......

One thing for certain is digital products are super expensive and have a massive obsolescence rate...........

Conclusion i feel the R1 will be very interesting and worth watching out for.........as the game of the future is growing more into Video not so much stills.............based on the industry investment and the demands of the internet............if you watch TV you see the eyes are always super clear sharp detailed sometmes ove rth top, why its tracking tecnology in filming................this is also being developed into the Cameras we all buy.why its obvious...........

The R1 what will it be ? who actually knows..............but interesting for certain.............

Why do i bother with all this interest, its better than listening or watching the news and all it pumps downte line.............
 

O

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I think when claims like that are made they are short sighted. That’s assuming Sony does no firmware updates to the current a1 and also assumes since Sony a1 will be 2 years old by the time Canon ships their first R1 that Sony won’t have a a1MKII either out or on the way. There is an advantage to be the first and the one to set the bar. I sure wouldn’t bet against Sony one upping the new bodies by Canon and Nikon.
That's the game all three play, Sony had the drink for the last year or two, now Nikon gets a quick guzzle now, then its Canons turn and she goes around and around LOL
 
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Venkatesh VT

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One innovation i would love to have would be voice commands to set AF mode ,shutter speed,aperture & ISO :cool:
Even now i wonder why there is no custom button to set shutter speed while shooting manual or am i missing some thing.
 

Venkatesh VT

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???

I've configured the a1's front dial to change shutter speed.
No .I don't mean that.I would like to set a shutter speed of say 1600 through a custom button.
invariably while I am shooting ground birds at lower shutter speeds I am not able to get a raptor flying over head suddenly
 

Hut2

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No .I don't mean that.I would like to set a shutter speed of say 1600 through a custom button.
invariably while I am shooting ground birds at lower shutter speeds I am not able to get a raptor flying over head suddenly
I think what you might want to do is register a group of settings accessible from your shooting mode dial on 1, 2 or 3

Check it out here, way down the page look for Memory Recall "PAL"
 

thelordofthelight

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I feel the next 1-2 years wil be more of marginal updates and addressing the rough edges on the existing tech. The next big updates should be in the form of Global shutters, using new tech for AF like LIDAR ( I read a patent on this one but unable to find it now). TH also reported a Nikon patent that shows a new tech where the AF will be based on global shutter whereas the actual image capture will resort to normal.

I'm curious what people think "one upping" the a1 or z9 would look like. Ie, what new features, or improvements that are not just incremental improvements.
 

O

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One innovation i would love to have would be voice commands to set AF mode ,shutter speed,aperture & ISO :cool:
Even now i wonder why there is no custom button to set shutter speed while shooting manual or am i missing some thing.
May i ask "you cant set shutter speed in manual" , what dose that mean.
 

Venkatesh VT

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May i ask "you cant set shutter speed in manual" , what dose that mean.
That was about my not knowing about custom button to set a shutter speed in Sony A1.
Now I am better informed thx to Hut2's pointing me in the right direction
 

FB101

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I think what you might want to do is register a group of settings accessible from your shooting mode dial on 1, 2 or 3

Check it out here, way down the page look for Memory Recall "PAL"
There is an even easier way than custom recall dial which is called custom recall “hold”. You can assign a full set of settings into a single button.
When I am doing “mixed shooting” my ael button is actually a custom recall hold which switches to small spot AF, 1/640 shutter speed and drops to 5fps for perched birds. When I get back to AF on, I instantly revert back to 1/3200 and 20fps with tracking zone. It’s like 2 cameras in one with just one button.

The best video on it is Mark Smith’s video for the A9 settings. That’s where I learnt about it.

Now if I do mostly bif then my AEL button is set differently. Those two configurations are stored in dial mode 1 and 2.
 

FB101

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I'm curious what people think "one upping" the a1 or z9 would look like. Ie, what new features, or improvements that are not just incremental improvements.
my first guess is that there is a lot of room left to improve EVFs. Take the resolution of A1, but keep it constant at all time like z9 without any lag, and with the HDR capability of R3.

i keep expecting voice control with a Bluetooth earpiece but it hasn’t come yet.

Subject recognition as good as it has become is still in its infancy I feel. And as mentioned already, new AF technologies (global shutter for AF acquisition).

We will see processors capable of handling 50mpx at 30fps lossless.

And shutterless is just beginning. Flash sync tops at 1/400s with a shutter and 1/200 shutterless - that gap will get closed and I feel shutter less sensors will eventually synch at even higher speeds as read speeds continue to improve.

Eventually we will see variable exposure on one sensor which will enable DRs that are currently not conceivable. Initially it will come from variable gain at each photosite but eventually I could see variable exposure time at each photosite.

Those are just wild ass guesses - but I feel there is a lot of room left to ”one-up” the current flagships without resorting to a nto so productive resolution race.
 

uday592

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Have been using the A1 with 200-600 and one con here is the smallest AF area is bigger than Nikon D5 making it difficult to focus on warblers and simillar birds in busy surroundings like shrubs, trees etc.
 

uday592

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Need help with eye focus for a1. I assigned AEL for eyeAF and when I place the AF area on the bird eye and press AEL , many times the focus lock on the eye does not happen. Is there anything I am doing wrong.
 

Venkatesh VT

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There is an even easier way than custom recall dial which is called custom recall “hold”. You can assign a full set of settings into a single button.
When I am doing “mixed shooting” my ael button is actually a custom recall hold which switches to small spot AF, 1/640 shutter speed and drops to 5fps for perched birds. When I get back to AF on, I instantly revert back to 1/3200 and 20fps with tracking zone. It’s like 2 cameras in one with just one button.

The best video on it is Mark Smith’s video for the A9 settings. That’s where I learnt about it.

Now if I do mostly bif then my AEL button is set differently. Those two configurations are stored in dial mode 1 and 2.
Thx I will try it out.This is indeed a great forum created by Steve.
I am glad did remember to renew my suporting member subscription recently :D
 

FB101

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Need help with eye focus for a1. I assigned AEL for eyeAF and when I place the AF area on the bird eye and press AEL , many times the focus lock on the eye does not happen. Is there anything I am doing wrong.
i would recommend to leave eye AF on at all times. You can have a button set to turn it off in case you get a false recognition but this is so rare that I use eye AF and subject recognition as my default. The camera picks body, face or eye based on what it recognizes and switches seamlessly without your intervention. Also, at times the viewfinder shows that the camera recognized a bird face and yet the focus is spot on the eye - so I think the camera errs on the side of only showing a hard lock on the eye as opposed to “very close” Which shows as “face”.
 

FB101

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Have been using the A1 with 200-600 and one con here is the smallest AF area is bigger than Nikon D5 making it difficult to focus on warblers and simillar birds in busy surroundings like shrubs, trees etc.
That’s where you need to “unlearn” a few things. You can’t shoot the A1 that way very well. Per my other post, keep eye AF and subject recognition on at all times. Then use the small flexible spot as a way to tell the camera roughly where to look for a subject / eye and trust the camera to find the eye in that small area (it does extremely reliably). The camera will look beyond the spot, but it will start there.
Those cameras need to be shot with a different mindset - it takes a bit of adjustment But once you let go of needing to control everything exactly and trust the camera with more of the decisions, your keeper rate will skyrocket.
 

dtibbals

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Thx for the invaluable advice.It is really going to make my BIF shooting easy
This is how I have my a1’s set up. Mode 1 is for birds non flying: bird eye af on, flexible spot medium tracking, shutter speed 1/640, aperture f4, auto iso. Mode 2 is birds flying. I have the same settings as mode 1 but my shutter speed is at 1/3200 and af mode is zone tracking burd eye af. Mode 3 is animals. Animal eye af, tracking flexible spot medium, 1/1000, f4, auto iso. This allows me to quickly switch from one mode to the other and I than can use custom buttons or front and back dials to make adjustments as needed.
 

Venkatesh VT

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This is how I have my a1’s set up. Mode 1 is for birds non flying: bird eye af on, flexible spot medium tracking, shutter speed 1/640, aperture f4, auto iso. Mode 2 is birds flying. I have the same settings as mode 1 but my shutter speed is at 1/3200 and af mode is zone tracking burd eye af. Mode 3 is animals. Animal eye af, tracking flexible spot medium, 1/1000, f4, auto iso. This allows me to quickly switch from one mode to the other and I than can use custom buttons or front and back dials to make adjustments as needed.
Thx for the valuable advice.Sounds good. I will give them a try & test it out asap
 

Hut2

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That’s where you need to “unlearn” a few things. You can’t shoot the A1 that way very well. Per my other post, keep eye AF and subject recognition on at all times. Then use the small flexible spot as a way to tell the camera roughly where to look for a subject / eye and trust the camera to find the eye in that small area (it does extremely reliably). The camera will look beyond the spot, but it will start there.
Those cameras need to be shot with a different mindset - it takes a bit of adjustment But once you let go of needing to control everything exactly and trust the camera with more of the decisions, your keeper rate will skyrocket.
I have had pretty good luck picking out eyes in wide and zone but sometimes the smaller area is very useful. Honestly the only major failures I have seen would generally be discarded frames anyhow.
 

uday592

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That’s where you need to “unlearn” a few things. You can’t shoot the A1 that way very well. Per my other post, keep eye AF and subject recognition on at all times. Then use the small flexible spot as a way to tell the camera roughly where to look for a subject / eye and trust the camera to find the eye in that small area (it does extremely reliably). The camera will look beyond the spot, but it will start there.
Those cameras need to be shot with a different mindset - it takes a bit of adjustment But once you let go of needing to control everything exactly and trust the camera with more of the decisions, your keeper rate will skyrocket.
Thanks for the advice. Will try. Since I only shoot birds subject recognition is set to birds. I can use AFon to keep eye AF on at all times.
 

Neil Laubenthal

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If I had to decide today…I would be hard pressed to pick one. I don’t like the Sony menu system and am used to Nikon’s…but most of that is familiarity I reckon and if I was a Sony guy I would love it and hate Nikon’s. OTOH…I am so not interested in a body with a built in grip…I don’t shoot much portrait orientation and the size and weight is more than I’m interested in.

What I want…is a non grip body with as much of the Z9 stuff as I can get. The 20/30/120 FPS is nice…but I would happily settle for 15/25/60 if that’s what it takes due to the smaller body size…I would mostly be shooting in max MP RAW anyway, the faster frame rates don’t matter much or me. Whether it’s a Z8, Z7III or whatever is fine…and while 45MP is nice…mid 30s is really good enough for me. And for my needs/wants…a crop sensor body would be just as good as well for the weight improvement over my Z7II…which I would be keeping anyway.
If I was forced to choose…I would go with the Z9…I think…on the menu and glass owned issue.

And…I want the ability to put AF modes on a button so I can easily switch to single point with a press and then another press to get back to where it was before…although a button and rotate the dial would be good enough if I can limit the selections on the dial without limiting selecting them in the i menu.
 
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