D850 to Z7ii

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Here is my short list:
  • Exposures tend to be much more accurate because you can see the image you will be creating before pressing the shutter button. This reduces or eliminates the need for chimping.
  • You can use the EVF as a heads up display with virtual horizon or histogram.
  • You can program a Fn button to allow zooming through the viewfinder - like electronic binoculars to take a photo. This allows me to look for precise timing such as when the bird's head is turning toward the camera, when there is a catchlight in the eye, etc. I only press the shutter when position is right.
  • DX cropping is shown full size in the EVF. With an optical viewfinder, a DX camera magnifies the image to fill the viewfinder, but a DX crop is much smaller in an FX viewfinder. AF boxes are proportionately larger with DX. This makes DX a viable option for some subjects even with an FX mirrorless.
  • You can playback images or adjust menu settings without your eye ever leaving the EVF. It's easier to see in bright light, and is faster.
  • The EVF with focus peaking can show and highlight the area that is in focus. This makes manual focus much easier. Zooming can also help. I manually adjust focus much more often with my Z cameras because of the EVF.
  • If you wear reading glasses, you no longer need them to closely examine focus, to check playback, or to make menu changes. All that and more is done through the EVF.
  • The EVF is easier to see than the LCD in bright sunny conditions.
  • The EVF is brighter than an OVF making it easier to see a subject in moderately low light - like indoors, at dusk or for heavy, dark cloudy conditions, etc.
  • For astrophotography, chimping through the EVF means your LCD is not active and causing stray light to affect other photographers.

The drawbacks:
  • There is a slight lag ( about 20ms) between what you see and what is actually occurring. It's about 35-50% of the lag on a new iPhone - much less lag - but still a lag compared to real time.
  • There can be a short blackout between frames at high frame rates - kind of a mild strobe effect. This makes it harder to photograph fast erratic subjects like swallows.
  • Timeouts cause the EVF and the camera to power down. You need to touch the shutter or AF-On button to wake the camera as you are moving it to your eye or moving your eye to a camera on a tripod. It's a change in technique but resolves the problem.
  • Extremely dim light ( such as 3 stops darker than just after sunset - like the end of blue hour) cause the EVF to be grainy and show a lot of noise. Essentially you are using a very high ISO for immediate viewing through the EVF in very low light. You lose detail and pick up a lot of grain and noise.
  • The EVF can be bright for astrophotography and needs to be reduced to prevent impacting your night vision.
  • The EVF does not remain active when you have a long wait for action. Think watch a burrow and waiting for a subject to emerge.
  • There is some impact of the EVF on battery life.

Whats the fn button setting that allows zooming? I need like 3 more function buttons :)
 
I usually switch the shutter on for anything fast just to avoid possible rolling shutter effect. Also with the Z7ii cameras to get the highest frame rate, you have to be in 12bit RAW with silent turned off.
Yep…so that’s a drawback to silent…I was mostly wondering if it’s an issue with action and rolling shutter or if it is mostly not a big deal absent shooting hummers or the like.
 
Here's my Me Too moment.

Like so many others, I bought an early Z7 as a curiosity and found after 2 years I had used my D4 and D810 less than half a dozen times. So I recently traded the last of them on a Z5 as a back-up body. Now patiently waiting for the Z8. Well not very patiently in reality.

Lighter, smarter, easier.
 
Hello all,
I know there have been discussions on this for a while, but I have been debating selling my D850 for a while and getting a Z7ii to compliment my Z6ii. I have really enjoyed using the D850 and the Z6ii out in the field, but the more I use them the less I am picking up the D850. I just really love the ease of use with the interface of the Z series and especially the portability. I really don't anticipate being a Z9 buyer when it comes out and from what I can tell a Z8 or Z7iii is still pretty far away.
I'm aware of the technical limitations going from the 850 to the 7ii especially with the AF and fast moving subjects, so this is really just more of a question out to the community.
Has anyone gotten rid of, or stopped using their D850 and switched to the Z7ii? Are you happy with the transition? Do you regret it?

Thanks!
I sold my D850's to move to Sony so can't comment on the Z7II but it's a joy to be fully mirrorless and another consideration is that D850 used prices keep dropping, not precipitously but definitely, so IF you decide to make the move sooner is better (IMO) in regards to getting maximum value on your sale.
 
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I have both d850s (two) and a new Z7ii. While I really like the new Z camera, I wouldn't consider it an adequate replacement for the d850 when considering its AF system, so the d850s still main go-to wildlife bodies, and the Z7ii will be relegated to landscape/people and such. I may give it a go for some wildlife on upcoming Africa trip, we will see.
 
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The danger of having a quality camera rental company that is local :) I guess my weekend will be pretty full
 
Ok A1 shooters, does this camera not show you what ISO it has selected if you are in Auto ISO mode? Also why does the exposure meter not seem to work with Auto ISO selected?
 
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This thread has exhausted my mind. 7ii, D850, D500...phew. Thus, I think I will stick with the D850 until I am able to rent a 7II with an FTZ and try out the auto focus myself. Off to do some couch yoga.
 
Thanks. 5.25 pounds for my D-500/500pf/Wemberly foot
I have to say the Sony A1 with 200-600mm G feels about the same to me as D850 with 500PF in my hands. I know it is "probably" heavier but it feels good considering how huge it looks.
 
With Sony A1/200-600 this morning I tried manual focus and was pleasantly surprised that the EVF automatically zoomed in to allow me to set focus. I don't even know when it switched back it was so seamless. Maybe the Z series does this too I have no idea but I like it!
 
Has anyone gotten rid of, or stopped using their D850 and switched to the Z7ii? Are you happy with the transition? Do you regret it?

As you know already all the limitations I won't bother you with that, even if I think that are the reasons why is difficult to be satisfied once to decide to move from a great camera like the D850. I just bought the 7II and I'm still keeping my D850, but I'm forcing myself to go out only with the z7ii.

As a lot of comments here already pointed out the pro and cons, you will love some things and you will don't love (hate) others.

After this two weeks, and unfortunately we are in lock down in Victoria Australia, so I cannot go out a lot to enjoy photography, I think that this camera has limitations, compared to the d850, that bring to a step back from it, and I don't think is fair to compare to the d850, that pratically does everything at the highest levels.

The technology that has is precious, you can really feel the potentials, like the precision of the focus on still subjects, the outstanding quality of the files, but doesn't make feel that you have something that you can use at his best in all the situation out there because all the limitations, like the d850 instead does.
From wildlife photography point of view, that is what I'm doing.

So my answer to your question is that, because I decided before to don't sell the d850:
I'm not using the z7ii thinking as a transition from the d850, but I will use it as a different camera knowing that in fast action won't be the right tool in my hands.

Ciao
Simone
 
I'm just curious why buy one if it is inferior to the D850? Z lenses?
 
Hello all,
I know there have been discussions on this for a while, but I have been debating selling my D850 for a while and getting a Z7ii to compliment my Z6ii. I have really enjoyed using the D850 and the Z6ii out in the field, but the more I use them the less I am picking up the D850. I just really love the ease of use with the interface of the Z series and especially the portability. I really don't anticipate being a Z9 buyer when it comes out and from what I can tell a Z8 or Z7iii is still pretty far away.
I'm aware of the technical limitations going from the 850 to the 7ii especially with the AF and fast moving subjects, so this is really just more of a question out to the community.
Has anyone gotten rid of, or stopped using their D850 and switched to the Z7ii? Are you happy with the transition? Do you regret it?

Thanks!
I still have a couple of D850 cameras.
I also bought the Z cameras. I'm selling the 7ii because I prefer the D850.
Although I dont do a great deal - The Z6ii will be kept mostly for video work.
If the Z8 came out tomorrow then I will buy it.
But it looks like i'll have to settle for the Z9 to replace my D850 cameras.
 
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I'm just curious why buy one if it is inferior to the D850? Z lenses?
not sure if was a comment to mine, but I supposed it because after mine.
Yes, I want to move into Z lenses, and because I don't (didn't) have a second body, and I wanted one in case one fail, I decided was the moment to start to join this system. Unfortunately for me will be a slow (financial) move, so I will enjoy the Z7ii as a start.
 
not sure if was a comment to mine, but I supposed it because after mine.
Yes, I want to move into Z lenses, and because I don't (didn't) have a second body, and I wanted one in case one fail, I decided was the moment to start to join this system. Unfortunately for me will be a slow (financial) move, so I will enjoy the Z7ii as a start.
Yep sorry I should have hit the reply button. Thanks for the info hope you enjoy the nice glass
 
I have to say the Sony A1 with 200-600mm G feels about the same to me as D850 with 500PF in my hands. I know it is "probably" heavier but it feels good considering how huge it looks.

The A1 and 200-600 feels comparable in the hand to the D850 with the 500 PF in my experience, but after weighing both setups, as mentioned, surprisingly there is a 2lb+ difference between the two.

I find the D850 and 500 PF to easier to wield in the hand when walking around and shooting whereas the 200-600 setup is a little more unwieldy. However, you get used to both, the difference is slight. I do notice my hands get a little more tired when carrying the 200-600 for a period of time. That doesn't really happen with the 500 PF setup. However, I haven't been to the gym in a while since COVID led to me cancelling my membership.

I'd imagine if you're in good shape either setup would easily be manageable.
 
I owned, and loved a D850. Got a Z6 when it was released. Loved ;em both, but found going back and forth between the 2 taxed my aging brain (and muscle memory!). So I sold the D850 for a Z7, and never looked back. I'm not a big birds in flight shooter, so the Z7 does me well. Life is good!
I did the same, no regrets for 90% of my photography.
 
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