Exposure compensation warning in shooting display? (Z9)

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I recently finished setting up my Z9 as recommended by Steve’s guide. I am predominately using manual mode with auto iso. I set the control ring on my 800mm pf for exposure compensation adjustments. I find that I occasionally bump it resulting in unwanted or unnoticed adjustments. Whether using the control ring or the command dial I noticed bright yellow indicators in the shooting display while making exposure adjustments but they are only shown in the display during the adjustments. Is there a way to make the yellow exposure adjustments always display? This way if you bump the control ring or forget that you made an exposure compensation for your last series of photos you are warned? Is there another warning that I am missing?
 
I’ll bump this post to the top as I never got an answer and think it was buried in subsequent posts. Am I missing something? Do you ever have a sudden opportunity, take shots, then realize you forgot to reset your exposure compensation after the last series of shots? Is there a way to have a warning in the shooting display? I feel that I should be using the lens control ring for something useful but find I inadvertently bump it to often.
 
It's not a bug. In manual mode the camera doesn't meter for you. I'm pretty sure this is referenced in the manual
Well in Auto ISO the camera does.....

edited to add..... if you are -2/3rd of a stop on exposure compensation in manual mode with auto iso and the meter reads 0, then the meter is in fact wrong.
 
Well in Auto ISO the camera does.....

edited to add..... if you are -2/3rd of a stop on exposure compensation in manual mode with auto iso and the meter reads 0, then the meter is in fact wrong.
"Mode M • In mode M, exposure compensation affects only the exposure indicator; shutter speed and aperture do not change. • When auto ISO sensitivity control (0157) is in effect, ISO sensitivity is automatically adjusted according to the value selected for exposure compensation." Per page 145 of the reference manual

Yes, if you dial compensation with auto ISO you're telling the camera it's still wrong so it adjusts the ISO.

You just have to adjust to how Nikon does it.
 
"Mode M • In mode M, exposure compensation affects only the exposure indicator; shutter speed and aperture do not change. • When auto ISO sensitivity control (0157) is in effect, ISO sensitivity is automatically adjusted according to the value selected for exposure compensation." Per page 145 of the reference manual

Yes, if you dial compensation with auto ISO you're telling the camera it's still wrong so it adjusts the ISO.

You just have to adjust to how Nikon does it.
Well I dont use auto ISO so I dont really care.... BUT if someone uses auto ISO and exposure compensation the meter does NOT reflect what the exposure is anymore. According to the meter the scene is being exposed at 0 bias. In reality that meter SHOULD show whatever compensation is dialed in because thats how its going tobe exposed when shot.
 
Well I dont use auto ISO so I dont really care.... BUT if someone uses auto ISO and exposure compensation the meter does NOT reflect what the exposure is anymore. According to the meter the scene is being exposed at 0 bias. In reality that meter SHOULD show whatever compensation is dialed in because thats how its going tobe exposed when shot.
Nikon has never done as you describe. In any auto mode the meter will always read zero unless it reaches a limit and can't adjust any farther. The idea is that zero is where you always want to be.
 
Nikon has never done as you describe. In any auto mode the meter will always read zero unless it reaches a limit and can't adjust any farther. The idea is that zero is where you always want to be.
The D750 sitting in front of me would like to disagree. Aperture priority with exposure compensation dialed in shows the compensation on the meter.
 
The D750 sitting in front of me would like to disagree. Aperture priority with exposure compensation dialed in shows the compensation on the meter.
Sorry that's right. In manual mode it behaves as I described whether ISO is in manual or auto mode. So when auto ISO is on regardless of EC setting the meter stays pegged on zero unless/until it hits a limit. In fully manual mode the idea is to adjust one of the three parameters to drive the meter to zero even with EC dialed in.

My memory failed me as I haven't used shutter or aperture priority since digital cameras introduced adjustable ISO. It is logical(to my mind at least) inasmuch as the indication is the same when using EC or not and whether fully manual or with auto ISO set. But yes it is interesting that it behaves differently in A or S mode. I guess back in the day it made sense as a reminder when in auto that you have EC dialed in. And it made sense in manual to drive the meter to zero so you didn't have to think about/remember what EC was set at. Auto ISO sort of threw a wrench in the works so they apparently decided to keep with what people were used to when shooting manual i.e. the meter should read zero.
 
Well now with WYSIWYG the exposure in the EVF WONT match the exposure on the meter when compensation is dialed in. Its a flaw that few likely realize exists.... including me before today.
 
That would be very hard for me to get used to. For Canon if auto ISO is on the indicator is centered unless I've run out of iso. If I dial --2/3 EC the indicator will be positioned at -2/3. The other way makes no sense, for it to stay at 0.
 
Well now with WYSIWYG the exposure in the EVF WONT match the exposure on the meter when compensation is dialed in. Its a flaw that few likely realize exists.... including me before today.
I'm looking at my z9 now, and the pictures match (granted, from a rear screen review) what I have in the viewfinder.

Auto iso is on, dialed exposure comp. Iso changed. Image in viewfinder changed.

Menu option d9 is set to whatever the wysiwyg mode, I left that alone and don't remember what it's called.

I'm not sure what else you want it to do?
 
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I'm looking at my z9 now, and the pictures match (granted, from a rear screen review) what I have in the viewfinder.

Auto iso is on, dialed exposure comp. Iso changed. Image in viewfinder changed.

Menu option d9 is set to whatever the wysiwyg mode, I left that alone and don't remember what it's called.

I'm not sure what else you want it to do?
The METER doesnt match the exposure. If you shoot a photo at -2 the final shot and what you see in the viewfinder will be -2 but the meter itself reads zero
 
The METER doesnt match the exposure. If you shoot a photo at -2 the final shot and what you see in the viewfinder will be -2 but the meter itself reads zero
Sure, but why does that matter?

The shot and what you see lines up, so you know what your exposure is based on what you're looking at. You can also put the histogram up and look at that too.
 
The METER doesnt match the exposure. If you shoot a photo at -2 the final shot and what you see in the viewfinder will be -2 but the meter itself reads zero
The other way makes no sense, for it to stay at 0.
That's how Nikon metering in any auto exposure mode including Auto ISO has always worked. The metering control loop that adjusts the variable parameter (ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed or some combo) adjusts specifically to achieve zero relative to the meter zero set point. Exposure comp adjusts the meter zero set point. So unless you run out of range for your variable parameter the exposure meter will read zero in an auto mode and what zero means depends on whether any exposure comp is dialed in.

Yeah other ways may be more intuitive to some but Nikon has done this for a very long time in all their cameras that support auto exposure modes and it seems pretty straight forward once you get your head around it.
 
That's how Nikon metering in any auto exposure mode including Auto ISO has always worked. The metering control loop that adjusts the variable parameter (ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed or some combo) adjusts specifically to achieve zero relative to the meter zero set point. Exposure comp adjusts the meter zero set point. So unless you run out of range for your variable parameter the exposure meter will read zero in an auto mode and what zero means depends on whether any exposure comp is dialed in.

Yeah other ways may be more intuitive to some but Nikon has done this for a very long time in all their cameras that support auto exposure modes and it seems pretty straight forward once you get your head around it.
To be fair to them, in the other modes it does show the ec and where you're dialed (vs 0)

It's just not that way in manual mode, which has been a nikon thing for a long time.
 
The meter should ALWAYS match the exposure..... thats kinda its job.
Yes, and you're in manual mode, where you're telling the camera exactly what the exposure should be, therefore it will always be at 0 as the auto iso will keep it there (until it can't).

The meter matches exactly the exposure, as you can see from the evf.

In other modes, the camera takes over more.

This is the way nikon has done things for a long time, and especially with the evf where you can see the exposure live I don't see why this matters at all. You just... Look at it. If you think it's under or over exposed, you change it.
 
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