Lightroom Classic Update - introduces Denoise-AI powered noise reduction.

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Very interesting ... I'll need to try this out tonight, but I'm going to guess that it will take a few rounds of improvement to see the quality level match Topaz and PureRaw. I'll be very happy if I'm wrong.
 
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I use Topaz Denoise and only realized a couple of days ago that I could send the RAW file to DeNoise. I normally go through the Photo>Edit In Menu creating a TIFF but DeNoise told me to use the Plug-In menu option to use the RAW file and get a DNG back in LrC so now I do that instead. Uploading the updated LrC right now.
 
That is a pretty cool addition. Though I don't think it's the same as Topaz Denoise, despite the similar name, or is it?

Also some of the other improvements look very interesting. Using the curve tool in a mask. Opens up a lot a possibilities. Opening multiple images as a stack of smart objects, also very interesting.
 
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I just used the new Denoise option in LrC and I think it's pretty good, it works really well on the Z9 color noise. LrC was very good at that part of the noise already. If you look at the two side-by-side there is a significant difference and no apparent loss of sharpness, at least for the images I'm doing.
 
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I would suspect DeNoise is a trademark of Topaz, although a TM search didn't turn anything up, but it could be pending.
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Looks like Topaz calls their denoise Denoise AI, where this is lower case AI powered denoise. Confusing.
 
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I just updated LRC and ran the new Denoise feature on a very high ISO image that I shot of one of my cats back in March and processed with DXO Prime XD at the time...with quite amazing results. Illumination for that image was a single house mounted LED floodlight about 40' away and a wall mounted sconce near the door out to my deck where I took the shot from. Shot with Z9 and 100-400mm zoom as indicated by EXIF display in comparison image.

Both images processed with default settings for NR...comparison image screen capture at UHD resolution, but resized to fit forum image limits. Will post to my Flickr account in full 4K resolution if you wish to view on 4K display. https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAacYA

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MotoPixel said:
I just updated LRC and ran the new Denoise feature on a very high ISO image that I shot of one of my cats back in March and processed with DXO Prime XD at the time...with quite amazing results. Illumination for that image was a single house mounted LED floodlight about 40' away and a wall mounted sconce near the door out to my deck where I took the shot from. Shot with Z9 and 100-400mm zoom as indicated by EXIF display in comparison image.

Both images processed with default settings for NR...comparison image screen capture at UHD resolution, but resized to fit forum image limits. Will post to my Flickr account in full 4K resolution if you wish to view on 4K display. https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAacYA

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Which dxo was that? XD would be in the file name if it was XD, no? Lightroom looks pretty good.
 
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bleirer said:
Which dxo was that? XD would be in the file name if it was XD, no? Lightroom looks pretty good.
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The DXO version was processed with Prime XD in PL6. PL6 does not add XD to the filename, only the DXO suffix, perhaps PureRaw does. I'm going to try some different settings in both programs to see what the impact of the controls has. My opinion viewing side by side on my 32" 4K display is that LRC had an edge in terms of resolution, but the dark areas in the images were a little cleaner in DXO. That may very well be due to the default settings of each program. When I have some time, I'll do some testing and report back with my thoughts.
 
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MotoPixel said:
I just updated LRC and ran the new Denoise feature on a very high ISO image that I shot of one of my cats back in March and processed with DXO Prime XD at the time...with quite amazing results. Illumination for that image was a single house mounted LED floodlight about 40' away and a wall mounted sconce near the door out to my deck where I took the shot from. Shot with Z9 and 100-400mm zoom as indicated by EXIF display in comparison image.

Both images processed with default settings for NR...comparison image screen capture at UHD resolution, but resized to fit forum image limits. Will post to my Flickr account in full 4K resolution if you wish to view on 4K display. https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAacYA

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The LR version definitely has more contrast which gives the impression of more detail. Can't really tell at this size, but it also appears to have slightly more fine details.
 
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Butlerkid said:
The LR version definitely has more contrast which gives the impression of more detail. Can't really tell at this size, but it also appears to have slightly more fine details.
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Karen,

Agreed and I'll have a better feel for the capabilities of each once I can spend more time with LRC. Were you viewing here on the forum or on the Flickr site? The versions on the Flickr site will give you the best representation if you're viewing on a 4K display, go full screen in your browser and then full-screen in Flickr with max zoom.

I'm quite impressed with what Adobe has done with this and the rendering is about 10 seconds on my system and heavily utilized my RTX3090 GPU. I'll try it on my XPS 15 laptop later with a much less capable GPU.

One other thing to note...if for some reason you've moved the original NEF from where the library thinks it is, LRC will load a smart preview file and not toss out an explicit error message right away, though there is a little box in the upper right hand corner of the thumbnail in the ribbon at the bottom that indicates that the image is a smart preview. Not having the original RAW file available will trigger a message in the Denoise box that it's not compatible with the current file format...that being the smart preview.

Denoise must have the original RAW file to work with that has NOT been demosaiced yet. It will not run on a compressed DNG file as those have already been demosaiced.
 
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MotoPixel said:
Karen,

Agreed and I'll have a better feel for the capabilities of each once I can spend more time with LRC. Were you viewing here on the forum or on the Flickr site? The versions on the Flickr site will give you the best representation if you're viewing on a 4K display, go full screen in your browser and then full-screen in Flickr with max zoom.

I'm quite impressed with what Adobe has done with this and the rendering is about 10 seconds on my system and heavily utilized my RTX3090 GPU. I'll try it on my XPS 15 laptop later with a much less capable GPU.
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I was just looking at the images on BCG. I do not have a 4K display. Thanks for all the testing! BTW - has this also been added to ACR? I prefer to cull and process in Bridge/ACR......

Thanks, again!
 
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Butlerkid said:
I was just looking at the images on BCG. I do not have a 4K display. Thanks for all the testing! BTW - has this also been added to ACR? I prefer to cull and process in Bridge/ACR......

Thanks, again!
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YES!!!! I hadn't bothered to check that until you mentioned it, but I did and it does! Of course that's dependent on having installed the ACR upgrade that came out overnight.

You're quite welcome.
 
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MotoPixel said:
I just updated LRC and ran the new Denoise feature on a very high ISO image that I shot of one of my cats back in March and processed with DXO Prime XD at the time...with quite amazing results. Illumination for that image was a single house mounted LED floodlight about 40' away and a wall mounted sconce near the door out to my deck where I took the shot from. Shot with Z9 and 100-400mm zoom as indicated by EXIF display in comparison image.

Both images processed with default settings for NR...comparison image screen capture at UHD resolution, but resized to fit forum image limits. Will post to my Flickr account in full 4K resolution if you wish to view on 4K display. https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAacYA

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@MotoPixel Just so I am clear the one on the right is with the new Adobe DeNoise and not the DXO prime back from March?
 
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Nimi said:
Good update BUT it appears to have destabilized tethering for the Z9 which was just added recently.
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I was not aware that they'd upgraded the tethering for the Z9, will have to give that a try on my laptop before I upgrade to this release and provide another data point. I'd be delighted if they have it working reliably.

The only "paid" photography I do these days, other than occasional sales of some abstract images is product photography for a couple local companies...all studio work for brochures and website...tethering would be a plus. I've tried a few options, but not going to buy a new software package just for that.

Keep me posted on what you learn...would be much appreciated.
 
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MotoPixel said:
I was not aware that they'd upgraded the tethering for the Z9, will have to give that a try on my laptop before I upgrade to this release and provide another data point. I'd be delighted if they have it working reliably.

The only "paid" photography I do these days, other than occasional sales of some abstract images is product photography for a couple local companies...all studio work for brochures and website...tethering would be a plus. I've tried a few options, but not going to buy a new software package just for that.

Keep me posted on what you learn...would be much appreciated.
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I am mostly a studio photographer, tethering 100%. There is a work around involving NX Tether and LRC Auto Import, but it's clumsy and also not very stable. Adobe Frame.IO just introduced a cloud-based, wireless "tethering" for some Fujis, hoping it migrates to Nikon.
 
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I just did some quick tests on some of my VERY noise photos. I'm impressed with LR. I think some might depend on the type of photo, but it has joined my set of tools.
 
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I tried it today on several images and I think it’s extremely good and so much better than topaz. I’ve been using dxo products for the last year or so and in my opinion it’s as good or better than dxo. The beauty of it is never having to leave Lightroom. They’ve also finally added the tone curve to masking which is nice.
 
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