LightRoom vs DarkTable

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I am a DarkTable user and have not used LightRoom for several years. What am i missing? Is there a big advantage with LR over DT in your opinion (with examples please)? I am willing to move over to LR, but must be convinced it is worth my time. Thanks!
 
Before going back to LR, look at Capture One. That's what I did last year and have no regret. Mainly you can manage the levels, layers and your work-flow is more efficient.
 
Following this thread. I have used LR for years, and recently have go to another software product for noise reduction and sharpening, which makes me realize how poor LR is at this. There must be a better alternative. Plus, the recent versions lock up on me all the time, even using a newer laptop with a dedicated graphics card. I am ready for something new.
 
I would encourage you to try Capture One. I decided to use it as I didn’t like the catalog structure in LR, and did not want to pay Adobe for perpetuity. I use C1 in addition to Photoshop CS6 which suffices for my needs. You can perform sharpening & noise reduction in C1. I agree with cvilou’s comments. There are lots of introductory videos on YouTube - check it out.
 
Apparently I am in the minority around here, but I like Lightroom. I have 1.5 million images in LR. I really like the database features of LR. I bought C1 version 10 before going for the LR subscription and could not get used to the C1 interface. A few minutes of processing with C1 and LR and the results are identical to my eye. There is a robust on line community for LR and there is a good chance Adobe will be around as long as I am. Download trial versions and check them out for yourself. Yes, I wish Adobe had a non subscription version of LR but you do also get the full version of Photoshop for $10 a month and Photoshop is an amazing software product. I believe subscriptions are the business model all mature software products will move to.
 
Thank you all for your comments. I do not personally have an issue with the price of the Adobe Suite (I am sure we all spend more than $120USD each year on trying out trivial photographic "stuff"), so MY interest is more on the technical/module side of the discussion, but I am happy to hear of everyone's experiences.
 
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Apparemment, je suis en minorité ici, mais j'aime Lightroom. J'ai 1,5 million d'images en LR. J'aime beaucoup les fonctionnalités de base de données de LR. J'ai acheté C1 version 10 avant de souscrire à l'abonnement LR et je n'ai pas pu m'habituer à l'interface C1. Quelques minutes de traitement avec C1 et LR et les résultats sont identiques à mon œil. Il existe une solide communauté en ligne pour LR et il y a de fortes chances qu'Adobe soit là aussi longtemps que je le suis. Téléchargez les versions d'essai et vérifiez-les par vous-même. Oui, j'aimerais qu'Adobe ait une version sans abonnement de LR, mais vous obtenez également la version complète de Photoshop pour 10 $ par mois et Photoshop est un logiciel incroyable. Je crois que les abonnements sont le modèle commercial vers lequel tous les logiciels matures vont évoluer.
[/CITATION]Non, non, je suis habitué à LR et PS en abonnement depuis le début
 
Hopefully, this information will prove useful members of this Forum. Capture One was originally created by Phase One to support the postprocessing needs of their $50,000 medium format digital cameras. This program was designed to be used by professional photographers. However, Capture One Pro has specific profiles for cameras and lenses of other manufacturers. For example, they obtain Nikon lenses and measure them extensively correcting chromatic aberration, diffraction, distortion, sharpness fall-off, and light fall off. In most cases the program senses automatically the lens you are using and applies the necessary correction. Corrections can also be manually applied.

Raw files in C1 are stored in either a catalog or session format. Sessions are designed to store all the raw and processed images for a particular shooting session. As such they are highly portable and can be placed on thumb drives or DVDs, and are much less likely to be potentially corrupted when compared to a catalog. If you also have a catalog, session files can be automatically imported. This is a major advantage of C1 over LR. If you forget to back up your catalog and the file becomes corrupted you are facing a disaster! I have between 3- 4 TB of session files stored on my computer.

You can assign different output recipes to simultaneously process different versions of an image, e.g. TIFF, JPEG, and JPEG 1200 X 800 pixels with different ICC profiles and folder locations. The individual workspace can also be easily optimized to your preferences.

I think the primary reason people have difficulty with this program is the input-output interface, which is designed to optimize workflow for professional photographers. I would highly suggest using Sessions to start until you have mastered the program. Sessions are very simple to set up, use, and store. You can then decide if you want to incorporate one or more catalogs. Initially focus on photo processing, and not database management.

Capture One allows you to create layers (not the Photoshop definition but essentially a mask) in which selections can be made using a brush, linear, or radial gradients. Luminosity masks are also an option. A highly selective color editor is also offered.

Who’s should consider using C1? If you have little or no interest in the technical aspects of postprocessing avoid this program like the plague! If you don’t know what an ICC profile is, learn a little more before getting involved with C1. If you want to expend the time and effort to optimize every minute detail of your image this program is for you! That said, the image quality produced by the two programs is probably very similar, although there are a number of reviews that give the edge to Capture One. I have not performed a comparison.

There are lots of YouTube videos comparing LR & C1 and would encourage anyone considering this program to watch them. While there are extensive YouTube videos describing how to use C1, there are no videos describing how to optimize this program for wildlife photography! I’m a retired physician and have no affiliation with Capture One.
 
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The few times I tried Darktable I was left the impression that it was quite capable. But, like most open source projects run by volunteers, it was also unpolished, slow, and offered too many technical settings and sliders devoted to tweaking its image processing algorithms rather than actually focusing on processing one's images.

Don't get me wrong, I love geeking out as much as the next nerd. I've been a linux user since 1994 and am completely at home in a unix environment. But given the choice between LR and Darktable, I'll pay Adobe every time for Lightroom (Classic or Cloudy). When I'm processing photos I want to focus on my photography, not my software hobby.
 
Two years ago I looked for a processing program as an alternative to Lightroom - I don’t like the subscription format. I checked out a number of different programs and then settled on DXO Photolab. All the programs I tried provided a one month free trial. There are a number of good raw processors available. I suggest that you try some of the programs on a free trial basis and then choose the one that best suits your needs.
 
Another Photolab 3 user here. I have the last (6.14) perpetual license version of Lightroom which I use occasionally after doing most of my processing with PL 3. The noise reduction software in the Elite version of PL 3 is, IMHO, the best available at the moment and certainly beats Lightroom.
 
+1 on PhotoLab. DXO bought Nik's U-point masking tech and incorporated it into the local adjustments available in PhotoLab. U-point masking is one of the things that made NIK plug-ins so popular. The program's lens corrections are really, really good, and Prime noise reduction is sublime (though slow to export). The PhotoLab crop tool bugs me in that there is a separate straighten tool, but it is a pretty sweet ride otherwise. Both C1 and PhotoLab are better RAW converters than Adobe in my experience. C1 has comprehensive library tools while DXO is more of a file viewer/search function. As many note, there are free versions of both to test drive. Cheers!
 
If your time is valuable, I suggest looking into a tool that has lots of tutorials and help videos.

That was a big part of my going with the Adobe stack. I could get good answers that helped me do what I enjoy (taking pictures and some editing). Hours of dead end looking moved me away from some open source tools. I could eventually get there, but not always. I think some of the other new tools out there have similar support communities.
 
Hi,
I have no experience with any of the Apps mentioned above which tells you that I am the new guy on the block when it comes to post processing. But I realized that I needed to start jumping into the process so I purchased Luminar 4. One reason I did was because it wasn’t a rental. For a one time purchase of $67.00 what did I have to lose. From what I can see it is a pretty powerful App. . So for what it’s worth check out the link below. I think it is worth a look.
 
Hi,
I have no experience with any of the Apps mentioned above which tells you that I am the new guy on the block when it comes to post processing. But I realized that I needed to start jumping into the process so I purchased Luminar 4. One reason I did was because it wasn’t a rental. For a one time purchase of $67.00 what did I have to lose. From what I can see it is a pretty powerful App. . So for what it’s worth check out the link below. I think it is worth a look.
You are quite right Ralph. Luminar 4 is a great app for post processing. Have been using it since 2017. Does almost 80% of what Photoshop can do. There are great training video's on YouTube by Jim Nix. You can learn a lot from his videos on the various post processing techniques used for landscape and wildlife photography.
 
Thanks Yezdi. I didn’t know that. I’ll check him out. My issue is not spending enough time with it. I usually take the easy way out and use the photo app on my iPad. But it is very limited to what it can do. The iPad App is great for small quick editing but need to learn more about Luminar’s full capabilities.
 
I am a DarkTable user and have not used LightRoom for several years. What am i missing? Is there a big advantage with LR over DT in your opinion (with examples please)? I am willing to move over to LR, but must be convinced it is worth my time. Thanks!

I think photo processing software is somewhat like a sandwich in that you might like something on your sandwich that I would absolutely avoid at all costs...software is a very personal choice and what we choose does need to match the way our brain operates, so to speak. I've used LrC for about 10 years, along with PS and many other plug-in programs. I love how easy it is to use the digital asset management module, the Library Module, along with keywording and other tags such as color, star or pic. The system allows me to find almost any image within seconds. I also have the option to look by year and folder as that is how I set up the program for my use. I think people who don't like LrC simply had trouble understanding how it operates. Being able to use LrC as a base for other plug-in programs and then having everything in one folder back in LrC makes it easy for me to use all of the plug-ins that I want. Every software package has a learning curve but getting to know the software of your choice very well is what allows you ease of use and speeds up your processing time. I'd say try different software by using their free option and see what works for you. I have never used Dark Table or Capture so can't compare those with LrC.
 
Only just picked up on this thread. I'm a C1 user and ex LR user. The LR DAM is better IMO, but I still preferr C1 by far. If you shoot Nikon there is a free version so you could try that. It's missing some important aspects particularly in the colour management are but it's enough to give you a feel, and then you can upgrade to the full package on Black Friday.
 
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