Luck or Talent?

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The other day I watched a video of a professional nature photographer. The location was Serengeti National Park with a guide. During a short time frame, 1000 shots were taken of this one particular lion. Of course, he ended up with a few wall hangers. The odds are in your favour when you take that many shots of a slow-moving and sometimes stationary animal.

To me, this does not require talent or skill. You may as well take a video and pick your best frame from it.

What do you think? Luck or what.
 
I am not going to comment on the "luck v talent" question, but instead consider the merits and drawbacks of the technology that we are using.
- To begin, it is very hard not to make compelling images of wildlife if you visit a wildlife rich destination like the Serengeti where charismatic megafauna can be found. A good guide will position your vehicle in the best location and in favorable light. Having been on two safaris one of which was with my point and shoot wielding 70 year-old mother who had no photography skills. Many of her 500 images made with an 8 MP P&S would have been wall hangers.

- I think the real question here relates more to the power of technology vs knowledge and experience of the photographer.
Having been a nature photographer since the mid 1980's where knowledge of exposure theory and the narrow latitude of slide film was essential in the production of a few keepers out of a roll of 36 images, I can tell you that making images of wildlife has become infinitely easier. In the past, I'd go to Alaska with 30 rolls of film and hope I came home with 10 good pictures. Today, I can go to the local pond with my Z9 and various telephoto lenses and produce what I would have called 10 (or more) keepers in the film days.

As someone who has been on the camera and lens upgrade path throughout the year, I can comfortably claim that I am bored with my photography. In the period of a week I photographed a rookery via kayak, beavers and muskrats by a road-side pond, and an albino deer in etherial light. 25 years ago, I would have been astonished by my work and have had material for 3 publishable photo essays. In this current era where there are so many wildlife images, I am bored with what I have produced. Herein lies part of the problem with the technology... the gear has made the production of images very easy and very cheap. As a result, we (collectively) think less and are reactive without contemplation.

I am beginning to rethink my approach to nature photography as the shear volume of photos now results in images without soul and story... As a start, I've set my low continuous to 5fps and will spend a few weeks in that space. I am also going to commit to not cropping in post to see if I can spend my time looking for "THE" shot instead of "A" shot.

cheers,
bruce
 
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I am not going to comment on the "luck v talent" question, but instead consider the merits and drawbacks of the technology that we are using.
- To begin, it is very hard not to make compelling images of wildlife if you visit a wildlife rich destination like the Serengeti where charismatic megafauna can be found. A good guide will position your vehicle in the best location and in favorable light. Having been on two safaris one of which was with my point and shoot wielding 70 year-old mother who had no photography skills. Many of her 500 images made with an 8 MP P&S would have been wall hangers.

- I think the real question here relates more to the power of technology vs knowledge and experience of the photographer.
Having been a nature photographer since the mid 1980's where knowledge of exposure theory and the narrow latitude of slide film was essential in the production of a few keepers out of a roll of 36 images, I can tell you that making images of wildlife has become infinitely easier. In the past, I'd go to Alaska with 30 rolls of film and hope I came home with 10 good pictures. Today, I can go to the local pond with my Z9 and various telephoto lenses and produce what I would have called 10 (or more) keepers in the film days.

As someone who has been on the camera and lens upgrade path throughout the year, I can comfortably claim that I am bored with my photography. In the period of a week I photographed a rookery via kayak, beavers and muskrats by a road-side pond, and an albino deer in etherial light. 25 years ago, I would have been astonished by my work and have had material for 3 publishable photo essays. In this current era where there are so many wildlife images, I am bored with what I have produced. Herein lies part of the problem with the technology... the gear has made the production of images very easy and very cheap. As a result, we (collectively) think less and reactive without contemplation.

I am beginning to rethink my approach to nature photography as the shear volume of photos now results in images without soul and story... As a start, I've set my low continuous to 5fps and will spend a few weeks in that space. I am also going to commit to not cropping in post to see if I can spend my time looking for "THE" shot instead of "A" shot.

cheers,
bruce
Thanks, Bruce, I enjoyed reading your story.
 
The other day I watched a video of a professional nature photographer. The location was Serengeti National Park with a guide. During a short time frame, 1000 shots were taken of this one particular lion. Of course, he ended up with a few wall hangers. The odds are in your favour when you take that many shots of a slow-moving and sometimes stationary animal.

To me, this does not require talent or skill. You may as well take a video and pick your best frame from it.

What do you think? Luck or what.
In the case of the photographer in your post, I do not know of his or her skill level or body of work so I cannot say it required no skill to capture the shot. I will say that I believe, especially in wildlife and nature photography, that luck is the intersection of skill and preparedness. By that I mean, we tend to make our own luck.

I have a number of shots that folks have said "wow, that was a lucky shot." I thank them and appreciate their compliment. However, the truth is the actual image may have been somewhat lucky but I knew my subject and how it behaved, I put myself in "the right place at the right time", I anticipated the action, I understood my gear and settings well enough to be ready to capture the shot, and I understood composition and lighting enough to make the most of it when it happened. From there, luck does play a role. Sometimes the creature does not behave the way we want, sometimes it changes direction at the last second, and sometimes what we thought was going to be a great sequence filled with wonderful photographs turns out to be destined for the delete key treatment.

I started shooting nature and wildlife in the late 1970's. At that time, the limitation was less the quality of my gear but the thickness of my wallet. Processing hundreds of 35mm slides or rolls of C41 film was prohibitive and as a result, I didn't get a lot of the photos I would have wanted. Fast forward to 2023 and the gear is expensive but my wallet is a little fatter than it was when I was 20, and my memory cards will hold thousands of images and can easily be erased to start over again. Just because our cameras can shoot 1,000 shots in about 30 seconds (assuming buffer and card speed, etc.) doesn't mean an ill prepared, poorly skilled and haphazard photographer will have anything other than 1000 snapshots that are all average and mundane. A skilled, prepared and intentional photographer may have 1 wall hanger.

Actually regardless of if one is shooting single shot mode, or 30 frames per second, 1 "great photo" out of a thousand images captured is about right. My wife and I spend 3-5 days in the field per week. I will shoot between 300 and 500 images in a day. I may actually load 10% into my library for further review. Of the 50 images in the library, I may keep 20. Most of those 20 are either to document (I was there, I saw this) and are for my own personal record and memories, or to share some unique behavior with friends. In the course of a week, I may have 3 or 4 that are "wall hangers". Over the course of a month, I may have 1 or 2 that are ones I actually want to print or would be "portfolio" shots.

So, long way around of saying without knowing that photographer's body of work, I would hesitate to say they were lucky and only got the 1 of a thousand great shot because they held the shutter button down long enough and got one regardless of skill level. Perhaps it was pure luck but again it may have been the intersection of skill and being prepared that created the luck.

Just some morning ramblings before coffee fully engaged the brain.

Jeff
 
Well if they're making a living at it they must be doing something right. Maybe there's something that can be learned here.
In the case of the photographer in your post, I do not know of his or her skill level or body of work so I cannot say it required no skill to capture the shot. I will say that I believe, especially in wildlife and nature photography, that luck is the intersection of skill and preparedness. By that I mean, we tend to make our own luck.

I have a number of shots that folks have said "wow, that was a lucky shot." I thank them and appreciate their compliment. However, the truth is the actual image may have been somewhat lucky but I knew my subject and how it behaved, I put myself in "the right place at the right time", I anticipated the action, I understood my gear and settings well enough to be ready to capture the shot, and I understood composition and lighting enough to make the most of it when it happened. From there, luck does play a role. Sometimes the creature does not behave the way we want, sometimes it changes direction at the last second, and sometimes what we thought was going to be a great sequence filled with wonderful photographs turns out to be destined for the delete key treatment.

I started shooting nature and wildlife in the late 1970's. At that time, the limitation was less the quality of my gear but the thickness of my wallet. Processing hundreds of 35mm slides or rolls of C41 film was prohibitive and as a result, I didn't get a lot of the photos I would have wanted. Fast forward to 2023 and the gear is expensive but my wallet is a little fatter than it was when I was 20, and my memory cards will hold thousands of images and can easily be erased to start over again. Just because our cameras can shoot 1,000 shots in about 30 seconds (assuming buffer and card speed, etc.) doesn't mean an ill prepared, poorly skilled and haphazard photographer will have anything other than 1000 snapshots that are all average and mundane. A skilled, prepared and intentional photographer may have 1 wall hanger.

Actually regardless of if one is shooting single shot mode, or 30 frames per second, 1 "great photo" out of a thousand images captured is about right. My wife and I spend 3-5 days in the field per week. I will shoot between 300 and 500 images in a day. I may actually load 10% into my library for further review. Of the 50 images in the library, I may keep 20. Most of those 20 are either to document (I was there, I saw this) and are for my own personal record and memories, or to share some unique behavior with friends. In the course of a week, I may have 3 or 4 that are "wall hangers". Over the course of a month, I may have 1 or 2 that are ones I actually want to print or would be "portfolio" shots.

So, long way around of saying without knowing that photographer's body of work, I would hesitate to say they were lucky and only got the 1 of a thousand great shot because they held the shutter button down long enough and got one regardless of skill level. Perhaps it was pure luck but again it may have been the intersection of skill and being prepared that created the luck.

Just some morning ramblings before coffee fully engaged the brain.

Jeff
Regarding your last comment, the luck was purely provided by the guide. The video that illustrated the photographer, showed him looking at his back screen (handheld) while placing his camera out of the safari vehicle. It was simply point-and-shoot like people do with their cell phones.
 
Let's see YOU produce those wall hangers, by any means, then we'll talk.
No problem. I have photos in two categories (Canadian Parks and Weather) in the Canadian Geographic magazine's 2023 calendars and another for this year in a Newfoundland Downhome magazine. I did okay in previous years as well. Now we can talk! B^)
 
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Regarding your last comment, the luck was purely provided by the guide. The video that illustrated the photographer, showed him looking at his back screen (handheld) while placing his camera out of the safari vehicle. It was simply point-and-shoot like people do with their cell phones.
Tin-man Lee who you are obviously referring to is a multiple award winning photographer. When he was hanging the camera out the window and losing all sense of stability in order to shoot from the LCD and get a lower angle he of course needed to fire off a bunch of shots to make up for awkward shooting angle and bank some keepers. Watching his video he fired in very short bursts anytime the lion moved to a different/interesting pose. Shooting Z9 at 20FPS is under 1 min of actual shooting to get 1000 shots. Tin-man is more controlled than most in not just firing non stop at random. Even if he shot 10000 images in that same outing I don’t think anyone should care or be bothered by how he got his favorite shot in the end.
 
Tin-man Lee who you are obviously referring to is a multiple award winning photographer. When he was hanging the camera out the window and losing all sense of stability in order to shoot from the LCD and get a lower angle he of course needed to fire off a bunch of shots to make up for awkward shooting angle and bank some keepers. Watching his video he fired in very short bursts anytime the lion moved to a different/interesting pose. Shooting Z9 at 20FPS is under 1 min of actual shooting to get 1000 shots. Tin-man is more controlled than most in not just firing non stop at random. Even if he shot 10000 images in that same outing I don’t think anyone should care or be bothered by how he got his favorite shot in the end.
I did not know that this was in reference to TinMan Lee, but he is indeed an very well regarded and accomplished wildlife photographer. Having the forethought to work a unique angle while making the most of his gear's capacity reflects both talent and skill. While many photographers might be content with catching the shot, it sounds as if he was pre-visualizing something with the recognition that his gear and skill could make it possible.

cheers,
bruce
 
I did not know that this was in reference to TinMan Lee, but he is indeed an very well regarded and accomplished wildlife photographer. Having the forethought to work a unique angle while making the most of his gear's capacity reflects both talent and skill. While many photographers might be content with catching the shot, it sounds as if he was pre-visualizing something with the recognition that his gear and skill could make it possible.

cheers,
bruce
In case anyone wants to see the source material the OP is referencing, here is Tin Man's latest vid:

 
Tin-man Lee who you are obviously referring to is a multiple award winning photographer. When he was hanging the camera out the window and losing all sense of stability in order to shoot from the LCD and get a lower angle he of course needed to fire off a bunch of shots to make up for awkward shooting angle and bank some keepers. Watching his video he fired in very short bursts anytime the lion moved to a different/interesting pose. Shooting Z9 at 20FPS is under 1 min of actual shooting to get 1000 shots. Tin-man is more controlled than most in not just firing non stop at random. Even if he shot 10000 images in that same outing I don’t think anyone should care or be bothered by how he got his favorite shot in the end.
Tin-man is one of my favourite photographers. I didn't mention his name on purpose. It was a general topic to spark some conversation. No more, no less.
 
When the action is good, the last thing you should do is stop shooting. Whether it's 1000 images or even more, I'd do the same thing.

When you are in a specialized location, a guide can be very helpful. You want them to put you in position to have opportunities to make images. But even top guides can't predict what the action will look like. And as a photographer, you have to be prepared and know how to take advantage of the action. On a number of occasions with a guide and a group, I have not had a chance to get the shot I wanted. Sometimes the guide can have a plan for multiple locations or opportunities, and needs guidance on when to stay and when to move on.

As far as the shot is concerned, I'd bet Tin Man Lee and other photographers bring a lot of skill to the situation. The camera angle, background, and frame edges with minimal cropping are probably going to be better than the typical enthusiast would produce. But even top pros have standard compositions and framing, or iconic locations that demand a shot in reverence to those who have also captured the scene.

I've had similar experiences with a great scene or perfect timing. I was leading a group in the Okefenokee and had planned a sunset cruise. We knew barred owls were in the area with a nest. As luck would have it, we had 45 minutes with a barred owl adult and two fledging owlets feeding on a branch. She was teaching them to fly from branch to branch - and enticing them with food. But they could not fly very far and we had 45 minutes with the subjects in perfect light. I explained to the group the importance of sticking with your subject when you have a great opportunity. We did make it to sunset because a cloud blocked the great light on the owls. Sunset was unremarkable. The shot of the week was those owlets and the parent owl.
 
For me, the plus/minus of taking a gazillion shots with digital equipment boils down to my tolerance for wading through them all in post. I don't think it's "cheating," just tedious. But I do have some feeling about safari-style photography vs going out into nature on my own. The only safari-style photo shoots I've been on were to Costa Rica and Yellowstone. Honestly, both felt more like going to a zoo than immersing myself in nature. I liked the photos I got and the places were both wonderful, but both trips seemed awfully "curated." As always, YMMV.
 
Luck? I would be more inclined to say opportunity and skill

You can be the best photographer west of Canada - but if you are not where the subjects are - there will be no photos
My subjects are in Newfoundland. I travel there each year for the subjects (Atlantic Puffins, Northern Gannets, and Humpback Whales).
 
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I've got a friend that runs workshops in Yellowstone. He literally skips all the iconic locations. His comment was everyone can stand in those spots, but the desire to make the iconic shot ruins any originality. He has them spend three days making original images before going to any of those locations.
 
The other day I watched a video of a professional nature photographer. The location was Serengeti National Park with a guide. During a short time frame, 1000 shots were taken of this one particular lion. Of course, he ended up with a few wall hangers. The odds are in your favour when you take that many shots of a slow-moving and sometimes stationary animal.

To me, this does not require talent or skill. You may as well take a video and pick your best frame from it.

What do you think? Luck or what.

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity"


Experience and planning puts you in the right place with the right gear, at the right time; great guiding, tracking and then Luck determines what wildlife turns up; what it is doing and the shooting conditions.

Talent and experience helps to ensure one takes more than just a shot but a good shot — knowing one’s subject; how it behaves and what it is likely to do helps one positions one safari vehicle in the right spot so the subject moves towards it; allows one’s subject to hunt without disturbing hunter or prey and then luck comes to play.

We tracked a pair of male cheetah who were hunting for hours and hours and then a female hyena turned up and the cheetah just lay down and rested — why hunt when a hyena will just steal the kill. Just kept happening — over 3 weeks we saw several cheetah feeding but not a chase — well not close enough to shoot

"Luck is also just blind luck"
 
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The old axiom: “The harder I work the luckier I get.”
I first heard that quote in regards to the great Ben Hogan whose practice habits were legendary and whom was featured in a beautiful collection of photographs taken by photographer Jules Alexander in the book, The Hogan Mystique. Thanks for the memory refresh. Haha
 
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