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arbitrage

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You are right! It is only shooting at 15 frames why? I just did a time check with stopwatch. I have it set to 20, I check and confirm. Something I am missing surely.
Any chance you are in APS-C mode? That would greatly increase buffer depth. EDIT: looks like it says FX in your video...so I guess not.

Otherwise it may just be that it isn't shooting 20FPS. I would check all the settings or maybe reset to default and see if it starts hitting 20FPS. I'd assume it is some weird jpeg setting (Even if not shooting jpeg) that is slowing it. Also is Flicker reduction set to OFF? It should be.

Also make sure it is on Release Priority.
 

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Any chance you are in APS-C mode? That would greatly increase buffer depth. EDIT: looks like it says FX in your video...so I guess not.

Otherwise it may just be that it isn't shooting 20FPS. I would check all the settings or maybe reset to default and see if it starts hitting 20FPS. I'd assume it is some weird jpeg setting (Even if not shooting jpeg) that is slowing it. Also is Flicker reduction set to OFF? It should be.

Also make sure it is on Release Priority.
At this point I don't know what to do. Ive tried everything. I reset, I try silent, try different cards, try all raw file types and still only 15 fps.
 

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I reset the camera to the original settings, from the menu Setting again in my way all the Af modes/buttons
Went out to a place where are lot of seagals and wattlebirds flying around.
Night at the dog beach. and...And I'm still in shock how insane is this camera AF.
I made shot like this with the dslr, obviously, but not with this hit rate. I have full series of 40 shots (lossless, my Prograde CF express unfortunately isn't that good , look like) all in focus. And these dogs are light speed.
Just crazy
File out of camera raw, no editing
1/4000 4500 auto Iso 500mm 5.6 pf
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So you are saying the reset settings did the trick after a less-than-ideal Af tracking experience shooting cormorants with the Z9?
 

abc123brian

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You are right! It is only shooting at 15 frames why? I just did a time check with stopwatch. I have it set to 20, I check and confirm. Something I am missing surely. So I have done it severely times now and always 15. I changed to 15 and got 15, then back to 20, and still only 15. 🤷‍♂️
In the video, shutter speed it 1/50. Maybe try a faster shutter speed?
 

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Is it down to ~80 shots now that it is doing 20FPS?
YES lol.....It is so humbling when the solution to a problem was so simple. Thought I had a lemon for a minute. Did not think 1/50-1/80 would affect it. The buffer started to chug to around 10fps after 80 but kept going, if you pull of the shutter for just a sec it goes back for another full 80. It's a total non-issue, especially if HE* turns out to be equvillant.
 

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YES lol.....It is so humbling when the solution to a problem was so simple. Thought I had a lemon for a minute. Did not think 1/50-1/80 would affect it. The buffer started to chug to around 10fps after 80 but kept going, if you pull of the shutter for just a sec it goes back for another full 80. It's a total non-issue, especially if HE* turns out to be equvillant.
Amazing how fast those Z9/fast cards clear the buffer and get back to work.
 

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@Steve.. You always taught to keep an eye on the ISO & crop less& i have been following it.
How ever i find that even high ISOs seem to give a pretty good picture with very loss noise(after a bit of denoising) even after cropping as this attached image would show (1/200 ,12800 ISO )
Hence can you share your expereince with high ISOs & what in your opinion should be the acceptable ISO with these flagship cameras.Is this also a game changer ?View attachment 29589
Overall, that's not been my experience with the a1 (although I am insanely and sometimes unreasonably picky about such things - I seldom shot my D5/6 over ISO 6400). While I sometimes find I can get away with higher ISOs, I really like to keep the a1 at 3200 or less - especially if I'm cropping. I find that I often lose the really fine fur or feather detail I would otherwise have at a lower ISO. BTW - this is also true for the D850 and looks like it will hold true for the Z9.
 

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About the battery problem, look like that after the third full charge I'm starting to have it right. Today 2140 shots and 64%
Battery life in these cameras is far more dependent on how much you use the EVF and back LCD than how many photos you take. I've found it's really tough to judge battery performance based on the number of shots. There have been times with my a1 where I knocked out close to 4000 shots on a single small battery - and the rtimes where I needed to change after just a few hundred. The difference was always how much time I spent looking in the viewfinder :) The time I only had a few hundred was mostly spent looking and waiting for something to happen.
 

arbitrage

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Overall, that's not been my experience with the a1 (although I am insanely and sometimes unreasonably picky about such things - I seldom shot my D5/6 over ISO 6400). While I sometimes find I can get away with higher ISOs, I really like to keep the a1 at 3200 or less - especially if I'm cropping. I find that I often lose the really fine fur or feather detail I would otherwise have at a lower ISO. BTW - this is also true for the D850 and looks like it will hold true for the Z9.
I'd agree that all 40+ MP cameras I've owned are best kept at 3200-4000 or lower. This includes the D850, D500, R5, A7RIV and A1. I'm sure the Z9 will be the same.
The R5 is the best of the bunch IMHO.
I have found that DXO Pure RAW works much better for 3200 and up compared to Topaz DeNoise. However Topaz is much better at lower ISOs.
 

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@Steve, glad to hear that. What do you think about the size and weight difference between Z9 and A1? That's the bigger concern I have on Z9. There is currently a sale going on on A1 and Z9 is not available yet. wondering which way to go. Thanks.
I use a grip on the a1, so they seem pretty close to me. The Z9 is a bit bigger of course, but not by too much - a little wider, about the same depth and height. The nice thing with the a1 is that you can go without a grip and that does give you a noticeably smaller, lighter package. However, make sure you hold an a1 with a lens mounted - I have a friend with large hands that finds the gap between the grip and lens too tight.

Overall, I don't think the Z9 really has any significant advantages over the a1 when it comes to performance and AF - but the Z9 does it for $1000 less. I suppose it could also be argued that you can get an a1 right now too :)
 

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I have found that DXO Pure RAW works much better for 3200 and up compared to Topaz DeNoise. However Topaz is much better at lower ISOs.
Good to know! I just purchased DXO PW but haven't had much time to play with it. Thanks!
 

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Battery life in these cameras is far more dependent on how much you use the EVF and back LCD than how many photos you take. I've found it's really tough to judge battery performance based on the number of shots. There have been times with my a1 where I knocked out close to 4000 shots on a single small battery - and the rtimes where I needed to change after just a few hundred. The difference was always how much time I spent looking in the viewfinder :) The time I only had a few hundred was mostly spent looking and waiting for something to happen.
I'm sitting here going through the menu on my fully bright lcd on the A1 watching battery drop to 42% already. 😬
 

arbitrage

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I use a grip on the a1, so they seem pretty close to me. The Z9 is a bit bigger of course, but not by too much - a little wider, about the same depth and height. The nice thing with the a1 is that you can go without a grip and that does give you a noticeably smaller, lighter package. However, make sure you hold an a1 with a lens mounted - I have a friend with large hands that finds the gap between the grip and lens too tight.

Overall, I don't think the Z9 really has any significant advantages over the a1 when it comes to performance and AF - but the Z9 does it for $1000 less. I suppose it could also be argued that you can get an a1 right now too :)
And you can get an A1 with a very lightweight 600/4 (or 400.2.8) lens which to me is a huge benefit for now. I'm patiently awaiting to see the weight of the 400S as that would be a killer lens if the weight is down to CanSon levels (even with the 1.4 built in). 800PF is a "maybe" for me as being stuck at 800 and stuck at 6.3 is not usually what I'm after. I wish Nikon had gone for 600 f/4.5 which would have been almost like my dream lens in the 2015 Canon 600/DO prototype. Then the 1.4TC would still get us out to 840/6.3.
 

arbitrage

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I'm sitting here going through the menu on my fully bright lcd on the A1 watching battery drop to 42% already. 😬
The A1 battery is the worst I've ever experienced in a camera....only the R5 competes with how bad it is. I do however, run my Power Save at 5mins and that ususally keeps the camera out of sleep mode most of my shoots so that must contribute even though my EVF and LCD are off when not shooting.
 

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I'm sitting here going through the menu on my fully bright lcd on the A1 watching battery drop to 42% already. 😬
The grip can help since it hold a pair of batteries :)

But yeah, the more you use the LCD / EVF the faster it drains. I watched it one time while waiting for an eagle to fly. I dropped a percentage point per minute with the EVF on. Still, that's an hour and 40 minutes just looking through the viewfinder. I didn't think that was too bad.

I also have my camera set to manually toggle between the LCD and EVF. Most of the time, I'm on viewfinder only. That way, when I pull back from the camera, it stays "on" bu the EVF goes dark AND the back LCD doesn't turn on. I think that may be why I'm getting better battery life than most in the field with this camera. I can count on one hand the number of times I started digging into the second battery on a given shoot and I've never had to swap out batteries during a shoot (again, using the grip with 2 in it).

And I use the Z9 the same way :)
 

arbitrage

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The grip can help since it hold a pair of batteries :)

But yeah, the more you use the LCD / EVF the faster it drains. I watched it one time while waiting for an eagle to fly. I dropped a percentage point per minute with the EVF on. Still, that's an hour and 40 minutes just looking through the viewfinder. I didn't think that was too bad.

I also have my camera set to manually toggle between the LCD and EVF. Most of the time, I'm on viewfinder only. That way, when I pull back from the camera, it stays "on" bu the EVF goes dark AND the back LCD doesn't turn on. I think that may be why I'm getting better battery life than most in the field with this camera. I can count on one hand the number of times I started digging into the second battery on a given shoot and I've never had to swap out batteries during a shoot (again, using the grip with 2 in it).

And I use the Z9 the same way :)
I'm doing that also. LCD set to "Monitor Off" which allows it to be Off all the time unless I hit the Display button (to do low down tilt-screen shooting) or hit Menu or Playback. EVF goes off within a second or two when not up to the eye. I'm still very disappointed with A1 battery life compared to every other camera I've used before (although R5 really bad also).

I'm into my 2nd battery every day I go out. I usually go out from sunrise for about 3-4 hours depending on the season. If I shoot a full day I'm onto my 3rd. Recently at below zero temps the battery was draining like crazy without even using the camera but I know that is to be expected. The A1 is just more extreme. I was out with two other A1 shooters (-14 to -6C) and all were into 3rd or even 4th batteries that day although that was a full day sunrise to sunset.
 

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The grip can help since it hold a pair of batteries :)

But yeah, the more you use the LCD / EVF the faster it drains. I watched it one time while waiting for an eagle to fly. I dropped a percentage point per minute with the EVF on. Still, that's an hour and 40 minutes just looking through the viewfinder. I didn't think that was too bad.

I also have my camera set to manually toggle between the LCD and EVF. Most of the time, I'm on viewfinder only. That way, when I pull back from the camera, it stays "on" bu the EVF goes dark AND the back LCD doesn't turn on. I think that may be why I'm getting better battery life than most in the field with this camera. I can count on one hand the number of times I started digging into the second battery on a given shoot and I've never had to swap out batteries during a shoot (again, using the grip with 2 in it).

And I use the Z9 the same way :)
Grip will be here tomorrow (y)

I am going to have to adjust to leaving LCD off. I rarely use it when in the field anyway.

I was out yesterday in single digits and watched the battery dropping. I was concerned so I came home ordered a grip and went back out with an extra battery in my front pocket like I usually do in the winter and never needed it.

*Sorry OT
 

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I'm doing that also. LCD set to "Monitor Off" which allows it to be Off all the time unless I hit the Display button (to do low down tilt-screen shooting) or hit Menu or Playback. EVF goes off within a second or two when not up to the eye. I'm still very disappointed with A1 battery life compared to every other camera I've used before (although R5 really bad also).

I'm into my 2nd battery every day I go out. I usually go out from sunrise for about 3-4 hours depending on the season. If I shoot a full day I'm onto my 3rd. Recently at below zero temps the battery was draining like crazy without even using the camera but I know that is to be expected. The A1 is just more extreme. I was out with two other A1 shooters (-14 to -6C) and all were into 3rd or even 4th batteries that day although that was a full day sunrise to sunset.
Part of it for me is that I'm often out in the morning and then again in the evening and have time to freshen up the batteries. And I have not shot the a1 in really cold weather either - although I think that's hard on any battery. Looking back, the Z9 really did do well considering it was wet and sort of frozen and still nearly touched the battery!
 

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Part of it for me is that I'm often out in the morning and then again in the evening and have time to freshen up the batteries. And I have not shot the a1 in really cold weather either - although I think that's hard on any battery. Looking back, the Z9 really did do well considering it was wet and sort of frozen and still nearly touched the battery!
I was testing all new settings and I had the shutter set to close for dust control when powered off. I switch my camera off and on a lot during the day. That thing seems to "clunk" more in the cold. Probably burning through some mAh as well. I'll be leaving that function off from now on. paranoid maybe...lol
 
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I was testing all new settings and I had the shutter set to close for dust control when powered off. I switch my camera off and on a lot during the day. That thing seems to "clunk" more in the cold. Probably burning through some mAh as well. I'll be leaving that function off from now on. paranoid maybe...lol
If your not changing lenses it makes sense to leave off. The z9 is also loud, and it seems to close even when accessing the menu.
 
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