Nikon D5600 & Nikkor 200-500mm or Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary

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Hello everyone!
I've been watching reviews in the past few months, trying to decide whether the Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6 or Sigma 150-600 C will be better for my Nikon D5600. I'm using the body with Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD for the last year, and I find the lens not sharp enough. If I get the Nikkor lens, I would probably get 1.4 teleconverter after some time.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find decent review for this combos. Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?! Btw, I shoot birds 95% of the time.
cheers!
 
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I've shot with the Tamron 150-600 1st gen and the G2 with very good results from both. First with a D7200 and now with the D500. Unless you just got a poor copy I doubt you will get much improvement with either of those new lenses. I would consider upgrading your body instead. The D500 would be my choice and the cost would be similar. If you haven't already spend some time with Steve's books & videos for technique. The teleconverter is another issue that I have no experience with but in my research it's clear that the result will be lesser IQ.
 
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I can't help with your specific camera. I did use the 200-500 and the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary on a D5100 for a while. Both were sharp enough and worked just fine. I still have the Sigma although I use the Nikon 99% of the time when I go tele. I find it to be a touch sharper and how it renders colors on my cameras (d5100, D7200 and D500) seems to be more natural and a touch more vibrant. I also like that it is F5.6 all the way through instead of going to F6.3 about halfway through the zoom range.

Honestly, I think either lens will serve you well. The Sigma Contemporary is a bit lighter weight than the Nikon and the Sigma Sport I believe is a touch heavier than the Nikon if that is important to you.

Hope this helps.
 
Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?
The Nikon 200-500mm is a fine lens but I would not personally recommend adding a 1.4x TC to it while shooting with a D5600. The issue is AF performance particularly if your main subjects including fast flying birds. On a mirrorless camera the AF is fine and overall in my experience the image quality of the 200-500m with a 1.4x TC is pretty good but even on the top DSLRs the AF performance of the combo isn't great in anything except the brightest light but that's when I'm not usually shooting much as bright direct light also means harsh shadows.

If you look around you'll see some folks have had decent success with the 500mm PF plus 1.4x TC but when I had the 200-500mm I tried it with a TC on my D5, D500 and D850 and in all cases the AF was slow and struggled to focus on subjects in soft light.

In terms of whether the Nikon 200-500mm is a good upgrade to your current lens, that's debatable and depends a lot on how good a copy of your current lens you own and how good a copy of the 200-500mm you happen to purchase. Both are great lenses for their price points but based on what I've seen on the Internet both have a bit of copy to copy variation with some loving their copy and some really struggling. I've shot with very good copies of both lenses but have heard enough bad experience stories to think that they're not all made the same.

It might help if you posted a couple of images where you felt your current lens wasn't sharp enough. Sometimes it really is lens sharpness, sometimes there's a front or back focus issue that can be resolved with AF Fine Tuning, sometimes the AF point missed and grabbed focus on a wingtip or something else rather than the eye and sometimes there's some motion blur that could be fixed with a bit faster shutter speed, sometimes missing the exposure a bit can lead to low contrast images that don't appear sharp. It's hard to guess without seeing some examples but there may be issues you can resolve with your current gear or perhaps you've checked all those tick boxes and the issue really is a soft copy of the lens.
 
Hello everyone!
I've been watching reviews in the past few months, trying to decide whether the Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6 or Sigma 150-600 C will be better for my Nikon D5600. I'm using the body with Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD for the last year, and I find the lens not sharp enough. If I get the Nikkor lens, I would probably get 1.4 teleconverter after some time.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find decent review for this combos. Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?! Btw, I shoot birds 95% of the time.
cheers!
As DR mentioned, your lens may not be sharp enough because it needs AF Fine Tuning. Unfortunately, the D5600 does not have that ability. Any lens you get may need AF tuning with the body. Stepping up to a D7200 or D7500 would have that ability.
 
Hello everyone!
I've been watching reviews in the past few months, trying to decide whether the Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6 or Sigma 150-600 C will be better for my Nikon D5600. I'm using the body with SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD for the last year, and I find the lens not sharp enough. If I get the Nikkor lens, I would probably get 1.4 teleconverter after some time.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find decent review for this combos. Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?! Btw, I shoot birds 95% of the time.
cheers!

Tough call this one. The first gen Tamron 150-600mm is known to be the weakest of all the 150-600mm super-zooms currently on the market.

A good copy of either the Sigma 150-600mm C or the Nikon 200-500mm f5.6 will get you better results than the Tamron. That being said, there are a number of ifs and buts (no coconuts though).

Sample variation - I've used 3 Nikon 200-500mm f5.6 and 4 Sigma 150-600mm Cs (currently own one, after selling my previous one a year ago). The Nikon 200-500mm f5.6 have shown greater sample variation than the Sigmas.

That being said, the best Nikon was better wide open than the best Sigma but the worst Nikon was clearly less sharp than the worse Sigma. 500mm @f8 and center of the image of there wasn't much to tell them apart.

Autofocus - On one hand, the D5600 doesn't have the greatest AF in the world and putting an f6.3 lens in front of it, won't help. On the other hand, you can AF fine-tune the Sigma with the dock (a pain in the ... to do, but at least you can do it at multiple focal lengths and focus distances). With the Nikon, if you have back focus or front focus, you'll need to send all your gear to Nikon for adjusting (something they don't always get right).

Image stabilization - Sigma's is borderline useless, Nikon's is usable. Sigma's OIS is so bad on the 150-600C, that when I was shooting it with the D500 at 10fps, every other frame was blurry due to OIS so I had to turn it off. It's one of the reasons I sold my previous Sigma a year ago.

Teleconverters - They actually sell the Sigma with a matching teleconverter. Why... I don't know as the quality with it is subpar. The Nikon does take the 1.4 TCs a bit better but I had issues getting it to properly focus on a D500. I'm afraid to think what it would do on a D5600.

Bits and bobs from shooting - Sigma is more prone to losing contrast if you have reflections in the scene (e.g: shooting at water level). Sigma's image quality starts to break down with subjects beyond 50m, Nikon's seems to start breaking down at over 80 meters. Sigma has slower initial aqusition of subjects than the Nikon but it's focus limiters are more versatile. Neither lens can zoom in/out of all the range in one turn of the ring. Sigma can lock it's zoom at any focal length while Nikon (if I recall correctly) can only do it at 200mm.

Overall - The Sigma is 900$ at B&H while the Nikon is 1400$. I wouldn't buy them used unless from a reputable source that offers a good return policy. And given the price difference between the two as compared to the performance difference, I'd go with the Sigma and use the rest of the money to get a used D7200 or D7500 (600$, respectively 750$ at mpb.com, excellent condition with low shutter counts). Any lens of these two you get, you'll be limited by the D5600 body anyway so you would be better served with the cheaper lens and a better body than just the more expensive one.
 
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You people: @StefanSC, @aolander, @DRwyoming, @jeffnles1, @Oldnintheway are wonderful. Thank you so much for your comments, I really appreciate it!
Some sample photos can be downloaded from this link.
All these photos are made with the D5600 and Tamron 150-600. These are the best quality photos I have, none of them has been cropped or touched anyhow, these are just the JPEGs copied from the memory card. All photos except for the kingfisher have been made in good lighting, while I was close to the birds.
The quality of these photos, when processed with Lightroom and then Topaz SharpenAI is decent, but this happens only if the conditions are like those I mentioned, most of the time, birds are far away, and cropped images are with really poor quality regarding sharpness.
What is your opinion on the photos regarding sharpness?
 
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You people: @StefanSC, @aolander, @DRwyoming, @jeffnles1, @Oldnintheway are wonderful. Thank you so much for your comments, I really appreciate it!
Some sample photos can be downloaded from this link. All these photos are made with the D5600 and Tamron 150-600. These are the best photos I have, none of them has been cropped or touched anyhow, these are just the JPEGs copied from the memory card. All photos except for the kingfisher have been made in good lighting, while I was close to the birds.
The quality of these photos, when processed with Topaz SharpenAI is decent, but this happens only if the conditions are like those I mentioned, most of the time, birds are far away, and cropped images are with really poor quality regarding sharpness.
What is your opinion on the photos regarding sharpness?
Only thing I saw at the ad was a link to sign up for something,.
 
" Tough call this one. The first gen Tamron 150-600mm is known to be the weakest of all the 150-600mm super-zooms currently on the market. "
I would dispute this. I have done extensive reading over a period of years, from every source I could find, and the consensus that I found was that the Tamrons were the slight winners between the 5 lenses(2Sigma/2Tamron/1 Nikon) It was always a close call and there were supporters in all camps. And of course there are variations between copies of the same lens.
 
Not sure if your lens is compatible with the tap in console. If it is the investment is worth it. I have a Tamron 18-400 for a walk about lens. I was disappointed. After spending the better part of a day fine tuning it is a pretty good lens. It makes a passable macro lens and a decent mid wide angle. Not the sharpest lens in my bag but good enough. I have won some contests and had a couple images from it published.
Composition, technique and exposure control means a lot in photography.
 
I can't help with your specific camera. I did use the 200-500 and the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary on a D5100 for a while. Both were sharp enough and worked just fine. I still have the Sigma although I use the Nikon 99% of the time when I go tele. I find it to be a touch sharper and how it renders colors on my cameras (d5100, D7200 and D500) seems to be more natural and a touch more vibrant. I also like that it is F5.6 all the way through instead of going to F6.3 about halfway through the zoom range.

Honestly, I think either lens will serve you well. The Sigma Contemporary is a bit lighter weight than the Nikon and the Sigma Sport I believe is a touch heavier than the Nikon if that is important to you.

Hope this helps.
I wouldn’t say that the Sigma contemporary is a bit lighter than the Sport.... it’s a LOT lighter 2.04 kg vs 3.14 kg (4.49 lbs vs 6.90 lbs).
the contemporary uses 95 mm filters and the sport uses 105.
I’ve had both and happily gave up the 100mm for better VR and constant aperture. The Sigma OS (VR) isn’t as good as the Nikon and the image through the viewfinder is nowhere near as stable. If I use the Sigma it’s on a tripod / monopod.
One thing that constantly irks me about Sigma is the zoom ring turns the wrong way compared to a Nikon. Canon uses wont notice it.

Don’t be mislead though, the Sigma can make some pretty decent images but I find it’s harder work.
as to sample variation, we have two 200-500’s and both perform similarly.
I believe that the latest version of the Tamron is much improved. It has price in its favour as well as the zoom ring turning in the correct direction...(sorry canon boys).

Now to teleconverters, even with a 1.4 tc the Nikon will be f/8 and the Sigma at the long end will be more like f/9. Many cameras, particularly earlier ones will struggle to autofocus at f/8. Even for the ones that do, good light and contrast are your best friends.
Whilst some people report decent results with the 200-500 + 1.4 tc, I find it just ok, particularly at longer camera to subject distances. Again, the better the light, the better your chances.
 
I took some very good stationary shots with a D-7200/Sigma 150-600c after fine tuning. I sold two D-7200's to MPB. MPB sells D-7200s for $600, about 1/2 a D-500. However, as posted elsewhere, I strongly recommend the D-500 if finances allow.
 
I learned so many things from this thread. I didn't know that there is difference in the quality of the same lens model. So some pieces can be super sharp, and other pieces of the same model soft...
This fruitful discussion leads to a conclusion that I should get new sigma 150-600 C and later invest in a better camera as well...

The community has already enthroned the Nikon d500 as the best bird photography camera for its price, I have seen and read this so many times, however, it is out of my price range at the moment. I live in a small European country, and the offer of aftermarket photo equipment is really limited. I would have to order it from abroad, and that means no warranty and import taxes and customs fees, which increases the price dramatically. :)

Getting a new lens is simpler for me at the moment.

It would be really nice if someone can download the photos I attached and comment on the level of sharpness. :)

@jeffnles1 Regarding the download link, it shouldn't be like that, it doesn't matter what OS or browser you use, as far as I know.

One more time, thank you so much for commenting!
 
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Hello everyone!
I've been watching reviews in the past few months, trying to decide whether the Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6 or Sigma 150-600 C will be better for my Nikon D5600. I'm using the body with Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD for the last year, and I find the lens not sharp enough. If I get the Nikkor lens, I would probably get 1.4 teleconverter after some time.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find decent review for this combos. Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?! Btw, I shoot birds 95% of the time.
cheers!
Hi Angelo. I have the D500 and the sigma 150-600 contemporary at first I was not happy due to the results so I took it back to wear I purchased it and and found out the lense needed calibrating now it’s like a totally different lense
 
It would be really nice if someone can download the photos I attached and comment on the level of sharpness. :)
I downloaded each of the files and opened them in Photoshop for closer inspection. Here's what I see:

- Image DSC_0485: The eye is definitely soft but the lichen on the perch and the belly feathers are pretty sharp. This looks mostly like missed focus or possibly a front focus issue where the camera focused slightly in front of the eye. This could have just been from the focus mode used (e.g. Group, Auto or one of the Dynamic Area instead of Single Point) or if a Single AF point was right on the bird's eye it could mean a slight forward focus in the AF system.

- DSC_0503: This looks good on my monitor, the highlights (brighter tones) are a bit hot which costs detail in the bright throat feathers but that detail is there and can be brought out with a bit of Highlight Recovery in a tool like Photoshop or Lightroom or with a Curves adjustment but that's a bit more advanced. I don't see any obvious lens softness issues with this image.

-DSC_0508: This image is soft all over, it also has hard clipped highlights that are over exposed but even a better exposure wouldn't have helped the sharpness in this image. It's hard to know exactly which Swallow you were focusing on but nothing appears sharp not even the branches. My best guess on this one is heat shimmer from shooting through too much turbulent air based on the strange patterns in some of the out of focus areas like out of focus branches to the right of the birds. Heat Shimmer is a common problem when shooting long distances anytime there are heat differences between where you are and where your subjects are. Common reasons are shooting out of a car or house window where the temperature indoors and outdoors is quite different. This can be a warm car shooting into a cold outdoors or the other way around or it can be all outdoors but shooting across something like a roadway that heats up and stirs up the air. The two things that can help reduce or eliminate heat shimmer are getting closer to your subjects (shoot through less air) or make sure you and your gear is at the same temperature as the outdoors or be outside yourself and try to avoid shooting across hot or cold surfaces when there's a lot of heat differences. With practice you can see heat shimmer with your naked eyes as a warbling look to far away objects. Best not to shoot long distance photos when you see that kind of shimmer.

-DSC_0594: Same as the previous image, soft all over. Hard to say if any of those leaves are crisp even at 100% zoom in Photoshop but the image is overall soft and I'd still suspect atmospheric effects and heat shimmer.

-DSC_0625: Looks like the focus missed on this one and grabbed the branch to the left of the bird's head. The branch is much sharper than the eyes. The highlights are also hard clipped which robs detail from the bright white throat feathers which is an exposure problem. Dialing in maybe -0.3 stops to -0.6 stops of exposure compensation would likely have saved the whites on this image. If you shoot in raw you might be able to recover those blown highlights during raw conversion but that didn't help from a detail standpoint. The lens focus itself seems to grab sharp focus on the branch. This is actually a hard shot to nail focus on given the position of the bird's head, the eyes make tiny targets at this subject distance and most camera AF systems would tend to grab the front of the beak which would lead to front focus but the best focus appears to be on the branch slightly behind the bird's eyes which looks to me more like a focus accuracy issue and either what focus area mode was used or how well the focus point was placed right on the bird.

-DSC_0804: The eyes are definitely soft but parts of the fence, especially the plank to the right of the bird is pretty sharp. Looks like a focus accuracy or focus point placement issue rather than a lens softness issue.

-DSC_0876: Image looks a bit low contrast overall and the eyes lack catchlight and sparkle but don't seem unusually soft. Again I wonder if there was a single AF point right on the eye as it looks like other areas on the bird's body and on the branch are a bit sharper.

A few big things jump out at me looking at this set:

- The birds are all very small in the frame even on a crop body camera with a 600mm lens. It takes time and practice but the single best way to get sharper images is to find ways to get closer to your subjects. Cropping ALWAYS robs image quality and sharpness and these images have to be cropped to almost a 1:1 pixel view (cropping to a 100% zoom level in a tool like Photoshop) to get reasonably sized subjects. Even with a very high resolution camera like a D850 it's best to avoid super deep crops like that. Yeah, I know it seems impossible at first to get that close to small birds but with practice it can be done and will go a long ways towards improving your photos. You really want to get as many pixels on your subjects as possible for best quality and you can't do that when the subject only occupies a tiny portion of the frame. Being so far away also has other downsides like making precise autofocus much more difficult as even when using a single AF point it will span a large portion of your subject making it hard to know exactly what the AF system is focusing on. Also when your subjects are that small with 600mm of lens on a crop body camera you're shooting through a lot of atmosphere which as discussed above is often a problem especially if you're shooting from inside to outside like from the house to the outdoors or out a car window.

- Your shutter speeds are mostly 1/800" with two shot at 1/1000". Not sure how you support your camera but I'd try to bump that up higher when the light allows when shooting 600mm of lens on a DX crop camera especially if you're hand holding your camera and lens. You have the field of view of a 900mm lens which is a lot of lens and even the smallest shake from releasing the shutter and the mirror slapping up can result in blurry images. For me the starting point for handholding a setup like that would be up around 1/1600" though when light levels drop it's normal to make tradeoffs to keep ISO from getting sky high but then I expect fewer razor sharp keepers.

- Probably not your immediate concern till you get the sharpness issues tamed but all of these images have the subjects bullseye centered and don't use very much of the frame. As you do find ways to get closer and fill more of the frame you might explore moving your focus points around and placing your subjects off center in visually interesting ways.

From what you've posted I'd put energy into field shooting techniques including: getting closer to your subjects, mastering exposure in varying light conditions, using the most precise focusing mode the situation allows for to get focus right on an eye before I worried about changing lenses. If all of that still results in too many soft images then you might look into the lens itself but I see enough sharp areas in some of these photos that I don't think the lens is really the problem.

Just my 2 cents (ok maybe 10 cents) worth but I don't think spending a lot of money on a different lens would have made a lot of difference in the photos above.

Stick with it, you're seeing great subjects in good settings and this stuff gets easier with practice. If you haven't done so already I highly recommend Steve's ebooks on Wildlife Photography, Exposure and Nikon AF Systems. https://bcgwebstore.com
 
I wouldn’t say that the Sigma contemporary is a bit lighter than the Sport.... it’s a LOT lighter 2.04 kg vs 3.14 kg (4.49 lbs vs 6.90 lbs).
the contemporary uses 95 mm filters and the sport uses 105.
I’ve had both and happily gave up the 100mm for better VR and constant aperture. The Sigma OS (VR) isn’t as good as the Nikon and the image through the viewfinder is nowhere near as stable. If I use the Sigma it’s on a tripod / monopod.
One thing that constantly irks me about Sigma is the zoom ring turns the wrong way compared to a Nikon. Canon uses wont notice it.

Don’t be mislead though, the Sigma can make some pretty decent images but I find it’s harder work.
as to sample variation, we have two 200-500’s and both perform similarly.
I believe that the latest version of the Tamron is much improved. It has price in its favour as well as the zoom ring turning in the correct direction...(sorry canon boys).

Now to teleconverters, even with a 1.4 tc the Nikon will be f/8 and the Sigma at the long end will be more like f/9. Many cameras, particularly earlier ones will struggle to autofocus at f/8. Even for the ones that do, good light and contrast are your best friends.
Whilst some people report decent results with the 200-500 + 1.4 tc, I find it just ok, particularly at longer camera to subject distances. Again, the better the light, the better your chances.
Must have been unclear wording on my part. What I was trying to say is the Sigma Contemporary is lighter than the Nikon 200-500. In actual carry and shooting it is noticeable but not as much difference as one would see comparing to the Sport which is a tank.

I agree with you on the teleconverter. On both my copy of the Sigma C and the Nikon 200-500 the image quality captured with the 1.4 attached are about what I would get if I cropped the (non-converter) image the same amount in post processing. Maybe just a bit sharper or less noisy but not a night and day difference. As mentioned AF with the Sigma or Nikon lenses being discussed struggles with my D500. It works well enough in the center in good light but less so in less than ideal conditions.

I can't really comment on sample variations. Both my Sigma C and Nikon 200-500 copies were good out of the box. The main reason I got the 200-500 was because my 150-600 got knocked off a kitchen counter and hit a tile floor. I sent it back to Sigma for repair and bought the 200-500 while the Sigma was in the shop. I do believe the 200-500 is more consistently sharp on my camera outfit and for my shooting style. It could be the VR or maybe slightly better glass or perhaps just my imagination. At any rate, I use the Nikon lens and the Sigma is now my backup.

Hope this helps. Sorry about being unclear in my earlier response. Sometimes I surf this forum while outside (either waiting for something to happen in the field or just enjoying a nice evening on my porch) and type on my phone. Typing on a phone screen is sub-optimal for me.

Thanks for pointing out the lack of clarity. Hope this did clear it up some.

Jeff
 
What ad? Upon click on the link, you are taken to WeTransfer page where you need to click download...
Here is the screen I get when I click the link in the earlier post. Seems others were able to look at your files. I doubt I would have had anything more to add so all is good. Just thought I'd post this, partly to prove to myself I'm not crazy.. haha..
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Hello everyone!
I've been watching reviews in the past few months, trying to decide whether the Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6 or Sigma 150-600 C will be better for my Nikon D5600. I'm using the body with Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD for the last year, and I find the lens not sharp enough. If I get the Nikkor lens, I would probably get 1.4 teleconverter after some time.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find decent review for this combos. Can anyone please comment on my plan, what would you suggest?! Btw, I shoot birds 95% of the time.
cheers!
A few years ago, I rented the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 and the Sigma 150-600 and Tamron equivalent, and did side by side comparisons. Ultimately, I bought the Nikon because it had better IQ and AF capabilities than the other two lenses. The 200-500 works fine on a D5600, and will take a 1.4 TC okay, but the AF is slower with the TC, and the IQ a little softer. If you're shooting wildlife, the two together will work fine for relatively stationary subjects, but not very well for fast moving critters, and especially birds in flight. I use my 200-500 all the time and have been pleased with the results. If you go this route, be sure that you get a good copy - occasionally, you can find one where the IQ is a little soft. Check the vendors return policy.
 
Here is the screen I get when I click the link in the earlier post. Seems others were able to look at your files. I doubt I would have had anything more to add so all is good. Just thought I'd post this, partly to prove to myself I'm not crazy.. haha..
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Likewise. I guess I am just a bit paranoid when it comes to "I Agree" and "Download" from a site I have never heard about.
 
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