Nikon Z8 Rumors

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That rumor is the same as saying nothing except that Nikon might have a new camera sometime in 2023, those specs were just Sony A7rv specs repeated, saying it might "compete".
 
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Nikon really needs a camera like this, very soon, to keep its improved revenue streams going. But at $3900 (rumored) it might be a reach to get the same response as they got with the Z9. Still, I'm hoping they can announce it and start selling it very soon.
 
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Folks are free to disagree with me. I think the Nikon lineup will be / should be something like this:
Z6iii to compete with Canon's R6 series and Sony's A7 series.
Z7iii to compete with Canon's R5 series and Sony's A7R series.
Z9 to compter with Canon R3 and Sony A1. (and/or Canon R1 when / if they develop one).

I don't see room for a 3rd one in this lineup. I've been wrong before many times (just ask my wife, she will tell you how many times I'm wrong haha). I honestly don't see room for the Sony A9 moving forward nor do I see space for the Canon R3 when/if they introduce an R1 flagship. I kind of think A9 and R3 are proof of concept for the flagship models and do not see much need for them any more.

Unless, that is, the Z8 (EDITED: I said Z9 in original post, meant Z8) becomes the super high megapixel landscape and product photographer's dream and the Z7 series becomes the "baby Z9" folks have been talking about.

then again, Nikon is going to do what they want when they want regardless of what I or anyone here may want or think.

Jeff
 
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jeffnles1 said:
Folks are free to disagree with me. I think the Nikon lineup will be / should be something like this:
Z6iii to compete with Canon's R6 series and Sony's A7 series.
Z7iii to compete with Canon's R5 series and Sony's A7R series.
Z9 to compter with Canon R3 and Sony A1. (and/or Canon R1 when / if they develop one).

I don't see room for a 3rd one in this lineup. I've been wrong before many times (just ask my wife, she will tell you how many times I'm wrong haha). I honestly don't see room for the Sony A9 moving forward nor do I see space for the Canon R3 when/if they introduce an R1 flagship. I kind of think A9 and R3 are proof of concept for the flagship models and do not see much need for them any more.

Unless, that is, the Z9 becomes the super high megapixel landscape and product photographer's dream and the Z7 series becomes the "baby Z9" folks have been talking about.

then again, Nikon is going to do what they want when they want regardless of what I or anyone here may want or think.

Jeff
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And using your nomenclature, a Z7iiiC to go against the very successful R5 C except reskin it as Sony did with the A7s3 and FX3.
 
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It makes sense to me to have the Z9 and Z8 have stacked sensors with top tier performance and separate the two largely with body style and perhaps video specs. And if the Z8 is going to be priced around $4000, then it also makes sense to give consumers the option to forego the stacked sensor and save $1000 by going with a Z7 series body for $3000. And if a consumer wants to save even more but still have better than entry level Z5 performance, they can get into a Z6 series body for around $2000.

If Nikon had the Z8 for $4000 when I bought my Z6II, I would have stepped up and gotten a Z8 instead. The Z7II obviously didn’t give any stacked sensor performance benefits over the Z6II so to me it wasn’t worth the $1000 Z7II premium. And the Z9’s (had it also existed) price, weight, and permanent ergonomics doesn’t appeal to me.

Nikon must know that not everyone will cave in and buy a Z9 for $5500. Nikon must think, that like me, many people buying 6’s and 7’s would be willing to pay $4000 for the right body with stacked sensor performance benefits. I see people say Nikon would lose money selling a Z8 instead of a Z9. The fact is, Nikon is losing money not selling the Z8 instead of 6’s and 7’s and not selling anything to the people content to shoot their already owned cameras until a Z8 like camera comes out.
 
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questions.

what’s the advantage of putting the stacked sensor in a z8? z9 processor and af with z7ii guts (ie z7iii) makes sense to me. you don’t need a stacked sensor unless you’re shooting high frame-rate and then it would just be a z9. this z7iii with z9 af would be totally competitive with other brand offerings and be a great wildlife body.

so stacked sensors are the hard part. for now, every new one they make needs to be strategic.

would it make sense to do a stacked 24mp fx? maybe, but i can’t see it being the MOST strategic right now.

my bet, z6iii: z9 processor and af with z6ii guts. that would be competitive.

where would i spend my next stacked sensor? a dx sensor. d500 replacement.

those three cameras would make for a nice lineup
 
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John Navitsky said:
questions.

what’s the advantage of putting the stacked sensor in a z8? z9 processor an af with z7ii guts (ie z7iii) makes sense to me. you don’t need a stacked sensor unless you’re shooting high frame-rate and then it would just be a z9. this z7iii with z9 af would be totally competitive with other brand offerings and be a great wildlife body.

so stacked sensors are the hard part. for now, every new one they make needs to be strategic.

would it make sense to do a stacked 24mp fx? maybe, but i can’t see it being the MOST strategic right now.

my bet, z6iii, z9 processor, af with z6ii guts. that would be competitive.

where would i spend my next stacked sensor? a dx sensor. d500 replacement.

those three cameras would make for a nice lineup
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I tend to agree with you here except I would offer the Z6iii needs to have something like a 33-35 MP sensor.
 
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Even at lower-than-Z9 frame rates, the blackout-free viewfinder that a stacked sensor enables would be great. That, and better AF like the Z9, but in a smaller body would get my credit card out. I’d prefer 45 megapixels to 61 or more, 10-12 fps, and the U1/2/3 options rather than banks (least used feature on my D500 and D200 when I used those). As for the rest, my Z7 is still a delight every time I use it. Which means just about every week.
 
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The rumoured specs run up against particular challenges of existing investments, aims and constraints:

\ 45mp being the sweet-spot of FX;

\ consider Nikon's groundbreaking shift away from the costs etc of the mechanical shutter, which cuts production costs and warranty overheads etc let alone conferring significant technical benefits for its competitive high end MILCs;

\ Recovering and leveraging R&D already spent in the stacked Z9 sensor for electronic shutter and high-end Autofocus, the dual channel buses for the EVF etc;

\ Nikon's stated aims to extend Z9 technology into future cameras

Whatever the camera(s) named when released, it makes sense to sell even more copies of a 45mp stacked sensor in a high-end MILC with optional grip etc. This strategy is cost effective and sell more Z Nikkors (towards stated objective of sales-ratio of 2 lenses/ 1 camera)

an earlier thread last year fyi https://bcgforums.com/index.php?thr...-them-no-far-fetched-wishes.10546/post-107515
 
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John Navitsky said:
why? not a lot of differentiation from 45
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I just think it will. The A7iv is 33mpx, that and the R6 seem to be the Z6 competition. I believe Nikon said they are not going to be making any more 24mpx cameras (It was discussed here a while back). It is really more of a perception thing than reality. Is 33 a lot better than 24? Maybe a little but not significant. However, in the mind of the people buying the camera is 33 better than 24? Maybe. I don't see how many "MPX" the sensor has as the differentiating factor, it is price. One comes in at $2500- $3000, and one comes in at $3800 to $4500 and the Z9 comes in a thousand more at $5500. There is the differentiation. Regarding pricing strategies, does it really cost Toyota that much more to make a Lexus? People are willing to pay premium price for the perception of premium offerings. Looking at the nuts and bolts, not as much difference as the price would suggest.

Just my opinion and others may differ. Sooner or later, all of us will know which opinions were closest to what Nikon is doing and it is possible they will go a totally different direction than any of us are thinking.

It is always fun to speculate though.

Jeff
 
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Maybe out of line here, but ... put the Z6iii into crop mode and you still have a 23 mp image if it originally lives as a 33 mp sensor. Puts one back into the D500 or D750 range.
 
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