Nikon Z9 120FPS CONFIRMED - LEAKED VIDEO - YOUTUBE

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sid_19911991

sid_19911991

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I saw the video uploaded on Nikon India Instagram & Youtube page with the title Nikon 40 mm f/2 review!
A 29 second product feature video. It was online for a few minutes around 2.15 PM India time before it was removed.

I managed a single screenshot!

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I remember two main features listed in the video apart from the 8k video feature.

1) 120 FPS continuous shooting
2) Something along the lines that the optical low pass filter (AA filter) will have double coating!

I wonder if the double coating offsets some of the softness from the AA filter.

Also, I am not sure, I might have seen 8k at "60 FPS" too. Not sure, if it was 30 FPS or 60 FPS. My visual memory is fuzzy. A good chance that I actually saw 60 FPS.
 
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Interesting.

I wonder if the 120 fps is essentially the existing Silent Snapshot or Split Second Snapshot.



This the Z series cameras to shoot ultra-high speed photos at up to 120fps at 1920x1080 resolution! Here's how to activate it:

  • Select movie mode
  • Set the frame size and rate to 1920x1080, 120p (24x5 mode also works)
  • Set the camera to continuous release mode
  • Set the focus mode to AF-S or AF-C depending on the situation
  • Set the mode dial to "M"
  • Set your exposure
  • Focus and shoot!
  • Be prepared to delete several hundred images
If 1920x1080 is not enough resolution, you may shoot continuous stills in any movie resolution and frame rate, up to 3840x2160 at 24, 30, or 60fps!

Some limitations/caveats of this mode are:

  • Still images taken while in movie mode are saved as jpegs
  • Dynamic-area AF focusing mode is not available
  • Your custom controls will be different as you're in movie mode
  • Silent Shooting is the only shutter type available
  • While the frame rate is so fast there is almost NO EVF lag, it is not suitable for panning as vertical objects are distorted
  • Shooting can be sustained for up to 3 seconds on the Z 7II and 2 seconds on the Z 6II
Because of the impact of rolling shutter, this does not work for all subjects. But for a static or moderately moving subject - like a bird in a nest or a coyote hunting - it captures an incredible frame rate for a short burst.

This feature has been around since the Nikon V1 was released in 2011 (at the time 30 fps or 60 fps). When you look at some of the current technologies in mirrorless cameras, it's a bit amazing how much of that was built into the V1 or V2 system.
 
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EricBowles said:
Interesting.

I wonder if the 120 fps is essentially the existing Silent Snapshot or Split Second Snapshot.



This the Z series cameras to shoot ultra-high speed photos at up to 120fps at 1920x1080 resolution! Here's how to activate it:

  • Select movie mode
  • Set the frame size and rate to 1920x1080, 120p (24x5 mode also works)
  • Set the camera to continuous release mode
  • Set the focus mode to AF-S or AF-C depending on the situation
  • Set the mode dial to "M"
  • Set your exposure
  • Focus and shoot!
  • Be prepared to delete several hundred images
If 1920x1080 is not enough resolution, you may shoot continuous stills in any movie resolution and frame rate, up to 3840x2160 at 24, 30, or 60fps!

Some limitations/caveats of this mode are:

  • Still images taken while in movie mode are saved as jpegs
  • Dynamic-area AF focusing mode is not available
  • Your custom controls will be different as you're in movie mode
  • Silent Shooting is the only shutter type available
  • While the frame rate is so fast there is almost NO EVF lag, it is not suitable for panning as vertical objects are distorted
  • Shooting can be sustained for up to 3 seconds on the Z 7II and 2 seconds on the Z 6II
Because of the impact of rolling shutter, this does not work for all subjects. But for a static or moderately moving subject - like a bird in a nest or a coyote hunting - it captures an incredible frame rate for a short burst.

This feature has been around since the Nikon V1 was released in 2011 (at the time 30 fps or 60 fps). When you look at some of the current technologies in mirrorless cameras, it's a bit amazing how much of that was built into the V1 or V2 system.
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Wow, I had no idea the Z cameras would do this. Sounds like something fun to try! Thanks for the info!
 
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I thought so too but then if this 120 fps is similar to the ones in z6/7, do you think it is that big a feature to find its place on one of those top features on a Z9 marketing material? I guess this one is somewhat different ..

EricBowles said:
Interesting.

I wonder if the 120 fps is essentially the existing Silent Snapshot or Split Second Snapshot.



This the Z series cameras to shoot ultra-high speed photos at up to 120fps at 1920x1080 resolution! Here's how to activate it:

  • Select movie mode
  • Set the frame size and rate to 1920x1080, 120p (24x5 mode also works)
  • Set the camera to continuous release mode
  • Set the focus mode to AF-S or AF-C depending on the situation
  • Set the mode dial to "M"
  • Set your exposure
  • Focus and shoot!
  • Be prepared to delete several hundred images
If 1920x1080 is not enough resolution, you may shoot continuous stills in any movie resolution and frame rate, up to 3840x2160 at 24, 30, or 60fps!

Some limitations/caveats of this mode are:

  • Still images taken while in movie mode are saved as jpegs
  • Dynamic-area AF focusing mode is not available
  • Your custom controls will be different as you're in movie mode
  • Silent Shooting is the only shutter type available
  • While the frame rate is so fast there is almost NO EVF lag, it is not suitable for panning as vertical objects are distorted
  • Shooting can be sustained for up to 3 seconds on the Z 7II and 2 seconds on the Z 6II
Because of the impact of rolling shutter, this does not work for all subjects. But for a static or moderately moving subject - like a bird in a nest or a coyote hunting - it captures an incredible frame rate for a short burst.

This feature has been around since the Nikon V1 was released in 2011 (at the time 30 fps or 60 fps). When you look at some of the current technologies in mirrorless cameras, it's a bit amazing how much of that was built into the V1 or V2 system.
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FB101 said:
8k 60p with a 1hr recording limit is the newest rumoured spec - that would be very impressive if true.
On specs alone it seems Nikon will indeed leapfrog everybody with the Z9 - they need a win and this looks like one in the making.
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I am curious as to how many AF points the Z9 has. I guess that has a bearing on whether it can track small birds in flight.
 
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EricBowles said:
Interesting.

I wonder if the 120 fps is essentially the existing Silent Snapshot or Split Second Snapshot.



This the Z series cameras to shoot ultra-high speed photos at up to 120fps at 1920x1080 resolution! Here's how to activate it:

  • Select movie mode
  • Set the frame size and rate to 1920x1080, 120p (24x5 mode also works)
  • Set the camera to continuous release mode
  • Set the focus mode to AF-S or AF-C depending on the situation
  • Set the mode dial to "M"
  • Set your exposure
  • Focus and shoot!
  • Be prepared to delete several hundred images
If 1920x1080 is not enough resolution, you may shoot continuous stills in any movie resolution and frame rate, up to 3840x2160 at 24, 30, or 60fps!

Some limitations/caveats of this mode are:

  • Still images taken while in movie mode are saved as jpegs
  • Dynamic-area AF focusing mode is not available
  • Your custom controls will be different as you're in movie mode
  • Silent Shooting is the only shutter type available
  • While the frame rate is so fast there is almost NO EVF lag, it is not suitable for panning as vertical objects are distorted
  • Shooting can be sustained for up to 3 seconds on the Z 7II and 2 seconds on the Z 6II
Because of the impact of rolling shutter, this does not work for all subjects. But for a static or moderately moving subject - like a bird in a nest or a coyote hunting - it captures an incredible frame rate for a short burst.

This feature has been around since the Nikon V1 was released in 2011 (at the time 30 fps or 60 fps). When you look at some of the current technologies in mirrorless cameras, it's a bit amazing how much of that was built into the V1 or V2 system.
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1) I think the rumoured specs say Z9 can shoot 120 FPS in DX mode dishing out 11 mb files.

2) There is no rolling shutter apparently, according to rumours.
 
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thelordofthelight said:
I thought so too but then if this 120 fps is similar to the ones in z6/7, do you think it is that big a feature to find its place on one of those top features on a Z9 marketing material? I guess this one is somewhat different ..
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You are right.

It is clear that the Z9 has an exceptionally powerful processor as it can shoot 8k for more than 2 hours in the heat.

So, writing images at 120 FPS in DX crop mode with each file being 11 mb as per Nikonrumours.com is quite plausible.
 
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sid_19911991 said:
I saw the video uploaded on Nikon India Instagram & Youtube page with the title Nikon 40 mm f/2 review!
A 29 second product feature video. It was online for a few minutes around 2.15 PM India time before it was removed.

I managed a single screenshot!

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I remember two main features listed in the video apart from the 8k video feature.

1) 120 FPS continuous shooting
2) Something along the lines that the optical low pass filter (AA filter) will have double coating!

I wonder if the double coating offsets some of the softness from the AA filter.

Also, I am not sure, I might have seen 8k at "60 FPS" too. Not sure, if it was 30 FPS or 60 FPS. My visual memory is fuzzy. A good chance that I actually saw 60 FPS.
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I wonder what the "double coating" of OLAP means?

It was so important that they mentioned it in the Z9 product feature.

I don't think I have seen that for any camera ad ever.

As per Nikon website, the AA filter REDUCES SHARPNESS of the image.

Nikon themselves admit it. That has to count for something!


 
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There are different types of AA filters. Some haevy filters that slightly soften the image at pixel level and some very light. Maybe they came up with this new coating to keep the softness caused by the AA filter bare minimal.
 
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arbitrage said:
Don't put too much weight into # of points....Canon claims almost 6000 AF points on the R5 and yet Sony focuses better with just 700 odd points.
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That's right, and to further complicate things, there are cross sensors, line sensors, amount of the frame covered by AF points, AF points that are used by the camera, and AF points that can be selected.

It's probably more about marketing than functional difference today.
 
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arbitrage said:
Don't put too much weight into # of points....Canon claims almost 6000 AF points on the R5 and yet Sony focuses better with just 700 odd points.
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I agree. There was a time, in the early days of AF SLRs where the number of points mattered but today, they all get frame coverage in excess of 90% so not so relevant how tiny and packed AF points are.
Whats more critical is how often that sensor is read and the AF calculations updated. I’ll take Sony’s measly 700 points updated 120 times per second over 3000 points updated 20 times a second.
In practice, it means when shooting at 30fps, the AF has been updated 3 to 4 times between shots. On an R5 shooting at 20fps, AF gets updated once in between shots. In good conditions it probably makes no difference but in more challenging AF situations (higher speed, lower contrast, smaller aperture etc...) it probably matters Because it creates 4 more opportunities for error correction.

Even that is not the whole story though - the algorithms run for recognition do matter a lot nowadays. It seems canon’s algorithm for birds is a tad better right now but in theory Sony’s greater data flow should eventually yield equal or better results. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major update to the A1 right after the Z9 is released - Sony were able to add bird eye AF in video to the A7mk4 so I can’t imagine that feature won’t show up in the A1 and A7s3 soon and I could also see some updates to the eye detection algorithms for stills at the same time And maybe vehicle detection too since canon and Nikon are making a big deal out of it. And while they are at it customizable AF zones like the R3... :) It will be interesting to see how upgradable that whole A1 platform is.
 
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FB101 said:
I agree. There was a time, in the early days of AF SLRs where the number of points mattered but today, they all get frame coverage in excess of 90% so not so relevant how tiny and packed AF points are.
Whats more critical is how often that sensor is read and the AF calculations updated. I’ll take Sony’s measly 700 points updated 120 times per second over 3000 points updated 20 times a second.
In practice, it means when shooting at 30fps, the AF has been updated 3 to 4 times between shots. On an R5 shooting at 20fps, AF gets updated once in between shots. In good conditions it probably makes no difference but in more challenging AF situations (higher speed, lower contrast, smaller aperture etc...) it probably matters Because it creates 4 more opportunities for error correction.

Even that is not the whole story though - the algorithms run for recognition do matter a lot nowadays. It seems canon’s algorithm for birds is a tad better right now but in theory Sony’s greater data flow should eventually yield equal or better results. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major update to the A1 right after the Z9 is released - Sony were able to add bird eye AF in video to the A7mk4 so I can’t imagine that feature won’t show up in the A1 and A7s3 soon and I could also see some updates to the eye detection algorithms for stills at the same time And maybe vehicle detection too since canon and Nikon are making a big deal out of it. And while they are at it customizable AF zones like the R3... :) It will be interesting to see how upgradable that whole A1 platform is.
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The added complication is with more sampling of smaller points, you require more processing time. The rule of thumb historically is AF performance was better if you limited the size and number of AF points being used. Using the entire frame performs worse than using a small area of the frame. So it may be a tradeoff with more points being slower, and faster points being more accurate. If you use processing speed to overcome the problem with more data, you create a bigger problem with heat and battery life.

Bottom line - I don't think it matters in practice.
 
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To revisit the possibilities of the Z9 cpu, which can be expected to be EXMOOR7, if it's not something altogether new.

...... Nikon relies on its custom EXPEED processors using Milbeaut SoC made by Socionext who have just adopted TSMC’s 5-nanometer Technology (N5P) to make Custom SoCs. This means the high performance CPU(s) in Nikon's Z9 could be based in N5P, which will ramp up performance at much lower overheads, including less heat. Such cameras will perform more efficiently at focusing as well as high rate/high volume imaging etc.

Optimizing the software is challenging, so Nikon will likely continue to refine and expend the Firmware. And we also see this in how much Firmware upgrades can improve features of an existing hardware device, including killing off its older performance bugs.

In an interview (29 Aug 2021) in the Sunday Times UK, the infamous English engineer James Dyson noted: "Technology is much harder to develop now, much more complex. When I started we were a group of mechanical engineers, but now more than 50 per cent of our engineers are software or electronics specialists, plus fluid dynamics and battery experts and other scientists."

Key Links about SoC, 5NP, EXPEED : https://bcgforums.com/index.php?threads/z9-rumored-specs-are-out.9744/post-98840

sid_19911991 said:
You are right.

It is clear that the Z9 has an exceptionally powerful processor as it can shoot 8k for more than 2 hours in the heat.

So, writing images at 120 FPS in DX crop mode with each file being 11 mb as per Nikonrumours.com is quite plausible.
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ssheipel said:
And as pointed out elsewhere, 11mb is tonnes for online or photo journalism usage.
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Yup, the specs are mind blowing. My only concern is the AA filter on the Z9.

I think an A1 with no AA filter paired with 200-600 or 500 F4 will be significantly sharper than a Z9 paired with a 500 pf or 500 F4.

Not a concern in good light or when one doesn't need to crop much, but a concern in a hot tropical country like India where there is cloud cover for about 7-8 months year especially in the south along with plenty of micro air pollutants, thereby affecting the image.

The upcoming Z mount 500 prime should be sharp like the Sony lenses though.
 
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RichF said:
interesting ..

as more information is leaked, do you think Nikon will accelerate the release?
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The camera is almost certainly going to be released next week -- e.g. the 'last' of the promised videos. Shipping date, of course may be later (but my pure guess is that there will not be an overly long gap between release and availability; tho with the state of global shipping and the very real chip shortage situation, who knows). That said, marketing rumours can't change the physical deadline requirements of a hardware product. And most 'leaks' are almost certainly controlled by the manufacturer, Nikon or anybody else. Right down to "and the video was later removed from the web" stuff. At this stage, leaks can'g be used by the competition to beat any competitive edge -- that's the realm of the totally ridiculous 'advance product announcements' which has gripped Sony, Nikon and Cannon. Hell, I'm a marketer and I have to fight the hyped sense that I NEED what's coming next, the hell with what's in my hand now :)
 
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