Official Nikon Z8 Launch And Discussion Thread

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Just noticed the Z8 received a firmware update yesterday 🙂

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Nikon Z8 Lut now available on Nikon Site here!

Adobe Camera Raw version 15.3.1 released today with new camera support but I can't find any specific list of what cameras.
 
@Steve -- another one for your book -- does selecting HLG impact exposure or the histogram or exposure when shooting Lossless RAW with a Z8?

This builds on Thom Hogan's remark that one has to select HLG rather than Standard to select between JPG and HEIF AND a long while ago we had a discussion on picture control settings on the Z9 and what user settings "appear to" influence AF and exposure.

I still shoot FLAT and wonder if FLAT and HLG will give me a more representative histogram and exposure when shooting Lossless RAW
It impacts the histogram on the camera for sure. However, when I tested I was shooting full manual - I'll have to see if it changes the actual exposure at all. I don't think it does (I think my meter stayed"zeroed" out for both versions).

On the other hand, the histograms in Raw Digger do look a little different - buy the Adobe ones don't (I posted that stuff a page or two ago).

In the end, my recommendation for RAW shooters is going to be to stick to SDR. In doing my research and testing, I'm just not seeing any compelling reasons to pick HLG over SDR for RAW images - especially since HLG caps the minimum ISO at 400. In messing with the RAW files side by side, I just don't see any difference when I really stress the files. I think, in the end, HLG works well if you want to view a "ready to go" format on a compatible device. Otherwise, I think - for now - SDR is the way to go.
 
AP Interview with Nikon Executive discussing the Z8 and lenses...
That guy must have slept through his PR/media training.
Why would anyone now buy the Z9 if the Nikon Z8 does essentially all the same things?

The Z9 is still the first choice for the high-end user, where failure is not acceptable and reliability is crucial.

:oops: o_O
 
Yikes for sure! He makes it sound like they don't have much faith in the Z8's durability. (FWIW, it seems rugged enough for me - and I'm tough on gear).
Exactly. He could have said something like, "Z9 is still the preferred option for extreme shooting conditions and has longer battery life and better heat management for longer record times".
 
What I do is shoot the stopwatch for 20s or so and then review the images to see how much time has passed in a given number of shots. I'm not watching the stopwatch as I shoot.
I do something similar - a 30 second burst and I count the individual frames in each full second. I'm looking for consistency and frame rate after 5-10 seconds to get a sense of the write speed vs. just total frames in a period.
 
Exactly. He could have said something like, "Z9 is still the preferred option for extreme shooting conditions and has longer battery life and better heat management for longer record times".

Well no --- Nigel is a nice bloke but I do not believe he speaks Japanese fluently and we do not know how good Keiji Oishi San's English is.

We do not know what Oishi San actually said -- but even if the quote is accurate -- I find nothing to disagree with - he is not pouring salt on either the Z8 or Z9.

Nikon has its official position. Z9 and Z8 are on a par for the average pro-sumer user and so will meet a wider market.

"Well, the Nikon Z8 has the same performance as our flagship Z9 in a compact and lightweight body, making it a model that meets a wider range of shooting needs."
BUT the Z9 is ahead when you need the very best and toughest tool for the job -- with all the extra features the Z9 provides - not least longer and more stable video record times; no need to add a power cable or grip for longer shooting life or an ethernet dongle or a GPS unit (like Thom Hogan did when he plugged one into the 10-pin) -- it just is a bigger better tool for those who want and need those capabilities. Clearly Nikon is still selling Z9 bodies to those that want these features.

Folk should please hesitate to jump to entirely the wrong conclusions, particularly when english is most assuredly not the interviewee's first language the rest of us.

If you read the remark again I hope you will see what I see.
 
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Well no --- Nigel is a nice bloke but I do not believe he speaks Japanese fluently and we do not know how good Keiji Oishi San's English is.

We do not know what Oishi San actually said -- but even if the quote is accurate -- I find nothing to disagree with - he is not pouring salt on either the Z8 or Z9.

Nikon has its official position. Z9 and Z8 are on a par for the average pro-sumer user and so will meet a wider market.

"Well, the Nikon Z8 has the same performance as our flagship Z9 in a compact and lightweight body, making it a model that meets a wider range of shooting needs."
BUT the Z9 is ahead when you need the very best and toughest tool for the job -- with all the extra features the Z9 provides - not least longer and more stable video record times; no need to add a power cable or grip for longer shooting life or an ethernet dongle or a GPS unit (like Thom Hogan did when he plugged one into the 10-pin) -- it just is a bigger better tool for those who want and need those capabilities. Clearly Nikon is still selling Z9 bodies to those that want these features.

Folk should please hesitate to jump to entirely the wrong conclusions, particularly when english is most assuredly not the interviewee's first language the rest of us.

If you read the remark again this time without conspiracy goggles you will see what I see. [or not if your that way inclined]
I don't think anyone is seeing any conspiracies :) I think we all know what he meant, just that the way he said it didn't sound very good!
 
Hi guys and gals, I am a Nikon guy, have a d500 and z6 2, thinking of buying a z8, wondering how the Af focus is in z9, alternative is sony a7 r5, have to start from scratch, I do birding, mammal and fast action stage, if the focusing is satisfactory, would like to stick on to Nikon, pl give input

Given that this thread is dedicated to the Launch of the Z8 It may be of more benefit to you if you Start a New Thread and ask the question there.
 
Oishi San has been interviewed at least twice by dpr, although the one was via email so likely it was carefully cross checked , as the most recent interview states upfront "...was conducted through an interpreter and edited for clarity and flow."
so the statement above is probably lost in translation, in its reporting by AP


 
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Hi guys and gals, I am a Nikon guy, have a d500 and z6 2, thinking of buying a z8, wondering how the Af focus is in z9, alternative is sony a7 r5, have to start from scratch, I do birding, mammal and fast action stage, if the focusing is satisfactory, would like to stick on to Nikon, pl give input
I personally find the AF of the Z9 excellent. I much prefer it to the D500. I haven’t shot with an A7Rv, but from what other forum members who have claim it seems better than the A1. The A7Rv will mean using mechanical shutter you don’t have rolling shutter and will also have EVF blackout. If you assume the AF actually is slightly better on an A7Rv, does that outweigh the other advantages a stacked sensor provides? Also, consider your lens options. Would you be happy with a single 200-600mm zoom or spending over $10k for primes? If not, you would be better off with the Z8.
 
Well no --- Nigel is a nice bloke but I do not believe he speaks Japanese fluently and we do not know how good Keiji Oishi San's English is.

We do not know what Oishi San actually said -- but even if the quote is accurate -- I find nothing to disagree with - he is not pouring salt on either the Z8 or Z9.

Nikon has its official position. Z9 and Z8 are on a par for the average pro-sumer user and so will meet a wider market.

"Well, the Nikon Z8 has the same performance as our flagship Z9 in a compact and lightweight body, making it a model that meets a wider range of shooting needs."
BUT the Z9 is ahead when you need the very best and toughest tool for the job -- with all the extra features the Z9 provides - not least longer and more stable video record times; no need to add a power cable or grip for longer shooting life or an ethernet dongle or a GPS unit (like Thom Hogan did when he plugged one into the 10-pin) -- it just is a bigger better tool for those who want and need those capabilities. Clearly Nikon is still selling Z9 bodies to those that want these features.

Folk should please hesitate to jump to entirely the wrong conclusions, particularly when english is most assuredly not the interviewee's first language the rest of us.

If you read the remark again this time without conspiracy goggles you will see what I see. [or not if your that way inclined]
Wow. Sorry if that struck a nerve :(
 
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