Official Nikon Z9 Launch, Info, and Discussion Thread

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thelordofthelight

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He has used Auto area AF for BIF shots :-( Wish he used 3D tracking instead...there are lot of variables in question including the black kite which itself is a tough target for BEAF as the bird is dark with dark and not so prominent eyes..

I reviewed the RAW images using NX Studio and turned off all the picture control settings and what is interesting though is there are couple of shots with ISO 5600 and ISO 4500 and these files are very much like the D850 maybe slightly nicer noise pattern and not much color cast.

Also, the 500PF with 1.4TC (both those high ISO shots) are surprisingly good.

Omg, that has to be the worst Z9 AF video that I have seen. (Not blaming the equipment)

There was barely any footage for starters...
 

Ken Miracle

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He has used Auto area AF for BIF shots :-( Wish he used 3D tracking instead...there are lot of variables in question including the black kite which itself is a tough target for BEAF as the bird is dark with dark and not so prominent eyes..

I reviewed the RAW images using NX Studio and turned off all the picture control settings and what is interesting though is there are couple of shots with ISO 5600 and ISO 4500 and these files are very much like the D850 maybe slightly nicer noise pattern and not much color cast.

Also, the 500PF with 1.4TC (both those high ISO shots) are surprisingly good.
Thank you for checking the raw images.
 

FB101

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I have used the D6 a few times. Its AF is faster & perhaps about 30-40% more sticky than a D500, but even with Group AF (which is the best AF in Nikon DLSRs), it won't help you shoot small tiny birds in flight easily, but can consistently do well with slightly bigger birds like Myna, pigeons etc. D6 AF is arguably the best in DSLRs.
So you are routinely missing 4 shots out of 10 with the D500 that you are getting with the D6? I have a hard time buying that. In specific tricky situations absolutely, but not as an overall and absolute statement unless the only thing you take pictures are swallows. I wouldn't even make that claim on the A1 over the D500 and I shoot both.

The D6 is undeniably better than the D500, it will get you shots the D500 cannot get but unless you are an extremely specialized type of shooter, the D500 doesn't fail 40% of the time.
 

Ken Miracle

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So you are routinely missing 4 shots out of 10 with the D500 that you are getting with the D6? I have a hard time buying that. In specific tricky situations absolutely, but not as an overall and absolute statement unless the only thing you take pictures are swallows. I wouldn't even make that claim on the A1 over the D500 and I shoot both.

The D6 is undeniably better than the D500, it will get you shots the D500 cannot get but unless you are an extremely specialized type of shooter, the D500 doesn't fail 40% of the time.
I would say the only time my D6 approached being that much better than my D500 was on small "Say's Phoebe" sized birds or fast moving falcons or hawks etc. using the customized group setting on the D6 that is not available on my D500 or D850. It took some experimenting to get the custom group size and configuration I wanted and I had the prv button set to push and go to regular group from single and the fn1 button to push and go to my custom group.
 

lwan

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He has used Auto area AF for BIF shots :-( Wish he used 3D tracking instead...there are lot of variables in question including the black kite which itself is a tough target for BEAF as the bird is dark with dark and not so prominent eyes..

I reviewed the RAW images using NX Studio and turned off all the picture control settings and what is interesting though is there are couple of shots with ISO 5600 and ISO 4500 and these files are very much like the D850 maybe slightly nicer noise pattern and not much color cast.

Also, the 500PF with 1.4TC (both those high ISO shots) are surprisingly good.
On the second part of the video he shots bif he uses 3D, I guess he tried both.
 

Venkatesh VT

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BIRD Photography | NIKON Z9 | Adapted Lenses

I think the real challenge for bird photographs with A1/ Z9 / R3 kind of cameras would be small birds in bushes & not BIFs.
I am saying this after shooting A1 with 200 600 for the past 3 weeks extensively.
I could lock on even small birds in flight & get proper shots all the time compared to small birds in bushes where I could get focus around 90 percent only specially for dark looking birds .This kind of situation occurs mostly when the birds eye is completely obscured or even partly obscured ( while it is sitting inside the foliage).This gotbfurther compounded in bad light situations.
While I solved the problem by moving around a little or chaging the AF tracking mode this is one area where the algorithm may require fine tuning for distuinguishing a bird from the foliage .It would a pretty difficult task indeed.
 

sid_19911991

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I think the real challenge for bird photographs with A1/ Z9 / R3 kind of cameras would be small birds in bushes & not BIFs.
I am saying this after shooting A1 with 200 600 for the past 3 weeks extensively.
I could lock on even small birds in flight & get proper shots all the time compared to small birds in bushes where I could get focus around 90 percent only specially for dark looking birds .This kind of situation occurs mostly when the birds eye is completely obscured or even partly obscured ( while it is sitting inside the foliage).This gotbfurther compounded in bad light situations.
While I solved the problem by moving around a little or chaging the AF tracking mode this is one area where the algorithm may require fine tuning for distuinguishing a bird from the foliage .It would a pretty difficult task indeed.
Hmmm interesting. But would you say it is fast enough to focus birds in foilage or do you need to switch to single point af mode ?
 

Ad Astra

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Hi @Steve

Thinking about your "Secrets To The Nikon Autofocus System - Mirrorless Edition" eBook and the Nikon Z 9. Do you think the Z 9 will be an update to the current eBook or will it be a new eBook?

I guess it will take you awhile to prepare the writeup, assuming you manage to get one in the first delivery batch do you have a feeling how long it will take to test and update the eBook for the Z 9?
 

Steve

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Hi @Steve

Thinking about your "Secrets To The Nikon Autofocus System - Mirrorless Edition" eBook and the Nikon Z 9. Do you think the Z 9 will be an update to the current eBook or will it be a new eBook?

I guess it will take you awhile to prepare the writeup, assuming you manage to get one in the first delivery batch do you have a feeling how long it will take to test and update the eBook for the Z 9?
I think it'll just be an update. The AF system looks like it's close to the current one (with the addition of 3D), only it works better. I think most of what's in the book will remain the same. As for timeframe, no way to know. I need to get one first and then I'll have a better idea. I'd guess Feb / March at the earliest for the update, but we'll see.
 

Ken Miracle

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I think it'll just be an update. The AF system looks like it's close to the current one (with the addition of 3D), only it works better. I think most of what's in the book will remain the same. As for timeframe, no way to know. I need to get one first and then I'll have a better idea. I'd guess Feb / March at the earliest for the update, but we'll see.
Welcome back. I better start reading that one ... I got it for my wife when she got a Z50. The owner of the brick and mortar store I have a pre order in at just got back from iceland 11-18-21 and posted an image of a Z9 and the heading just said Look what I have in my hand. I do not know if he stopped at Nikon in CA on the way home or it arrived at his store in Idaho.
 

Venkatesh VT

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I think it'll just be an update. The AF system looks like it's close to the current one (with the addition of 3D), only it works better. I think most of what's in the book will remain the same. As for timeframe, no way to know. I need to get one first and then I'll have a better idea. I'd guess Feb / March at the earliest for the update, but we'll see.
Steve.I think you should first release a Sony AF system & I am booking an advance copy now
 

Steve

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Steve.I think you should first release a Sony AF system & I am booking an advance copy now
LOL, I'm not even close to that one! I haven't had enough time with the Sony AF system or the Sony system in general. The reason people like my books is they are accurate and they can depend on the information presented. The first time I rush one out I lose my reputation.
 

sh1209

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LOL, I'm not even close to that one! I haven't had enough time with the Sony AF system or the Sony system in general. The reason people like my books is they are accurate and they can depend on the information presented. The first time I rush one out I lose my reputation.
Hopefully after you get your hands on the Z9 you’ll be back to Nikon lol.
 

sh1209

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I’m disappointed at this point that the generation 2 Z6&Z7 I have still haven’t received a substantial firmware update. All in all I’m still satisfied with both cameras for 85% of what I do. I have learned a valuable lesson with this experience and that is to never buy something hoping a future update will improve it. I won’t make that mistake again. I’m on the fence whether I will purchase the Z9 or not but honestly if they just improve the generation two software I’d be a happy camper. I’ve seen lots of post’s saying the generation two bodies are hardware limited but I absolutely disagree with that. They nearly have the generation one bodies as good as the generation two at this point with only one processor. I think we would be wrong to assume there’s not lots of potential left in these generation two bodies. I’m just not sure with the condition of my arms that the weight of the Z9 would be doable long-term for me. I would certainly like to get my hands on one and try it for sure.
 

FB101

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It focuses fast .How ever I feel the algorithm may be getting confused.I will try to post pictures asap to clarify the issue
I fully agree, the subject recognition isn’t as reliable for a small bird in the middle of leaves and branches but it’s still scary good. But yes, if you are after once if a lifetime pictures, you will get better reliability with the smallest flex spot.
 

lwan

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I’m disappointed at this point that the generation 2 Z6&Z7 I have still haven’t received a substantial firmware update. All in all I’m still satisfied with both cameras for 85% of what I do. I have learned a valuable lesson with this experience and that is to never buy something hoping a future update will improve it. I won’t make that mistake again. I’m on the fence whether I will purchase the Z9 or not but honestly if they just improve the generation two software I’d be a happy camper. I’ve seen lots of post’s saying the generation two bodies are hardware limited but I absolutely disagree with that. They nearly have the generation one bodies as good as the generation two at this point with only one processor. I think we would be wrong to assume there’s not lots of potential left in these generation two bodies. I’m just not sure with the condition of my arms that the weight of the Z9 would be doable long-term for me. I would certainly like to get my hands on one and try it for sure.
I have no idea what will happen for the gen 2 Zs, I don't even own a Nikon (yet), but I find it logical that the bodies with the less good AF are updated first. And it's actually quite admirable from Nikon to provide such a significant improvement to bodies 2 (well 3 if you count on the Z 9 is the third gen in term of AF) generations back!
If I understand your post correctly, the Z6/7 gen 1&2 share the same processor, and that might be the limiting factor in updating gen 2 ? They might already hitting their processor limits?
I wish that sort of customer care was more common. We all know quite a lot of camera bodies could perform better than they do with some firmware love, but it rarely happens intentionally to sell a newer body. I'm not saying every camera could be 2x better, but certainly quite a few things could be marginally or significantly improved and aren't. Let's hope this great firmware update thing from Nikon never stops and inspire more brands to do the same. In fact, coming from software development (not as a developer), I would find perfectly acceptable that firmware could be paid when they bring a significant improvement over the original body you paid for.
 
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