Ill add to that.... make the display button remappable. its a useless button that could be put to work.Hello Fenton,
I remember one of those youtube live sessions hosted by greys of westminster where they had Ricci and both of us kept asking the same qn in every alternative comment regarding the customization of AF-O+AF Area mode. Its time to pester them with the next set of customization features i think.
1. Custom control assignment for subject detection
2. Multiple RSF
3. No restriction as to what all functions can be set to any of the custom buttons
4. Toggle options for all custom controls
Official Nikon Z9 Launch, Info, and Discussion Thread
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fcotterill
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Yes.... rattle the cage doors again.... Although Nikon have yet to fix these gaps in Custom options in the Z6 and Z7 series to make them far more capable....at in the experiences of some us muddling along after wildlife subjects.
I emailed Nikon last month about PreRecord for Z9, and there's also the firmware Wishlists of Brad Hill and latterly Thom Hogan's...
Nikon must be getting the messages but typically they are more than stubborn. But the more often they hear multiple requests perhaps it will trickle through to the execs and engineers. Perhaps requests through NPS are taken more seriously (?)
I emailed Nikon last month about PreRecord for Z9, and there's also the firmware Wishlists of Brad Hill and latterly Thom Hogan's...
Nikon must be getting the messages but typically they are more than stubborn. But the more often they hear multiple requests perhaps it will trickle through to the execs and engineers. Perhaps requests through NPS are taken more seriously (?)
Hello Fenton,
I remember one of those youtube live sessions hosted by greys of westminster where they had Ricci and both of us kept asking the same qn in every alternative comment regarding the customization of AF-O+AF Area mode. Its time to pester them with the next set of customization features i think
1. Custom control assignment for subject detection
2. Multiple RSF
3. No restriction as to what all functions can be set to any of the custom buttons
4. Toggle options for all custom controls
sid_19911991
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A lot of Nikon users complained about the card door opening accidentally on the Z6/Z7/Z7ii/Z6ii; Nikon fixed it with the Z9. If anything, they sort of overcooked it. It is quite a task to get the card door open on the Z9 now. So I guess they are listening...
zule11
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Several short videos on this guy channel: bird detection on Z9
thelordofthelight
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Agreed. Just remove all restrictions as far as buttons (any button) are concerned and let the users customize it the way they want.
O
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A lot of Nikon users complained about the card door opening accidentally on the Z6/Z7/Z7ii/Z6ii; Nikon fixed it with the Z9. If anything, they sort of overcooked it. It is quite a task to get the card door open on the Z9 now. So I guess they are listening...
Silicone your screws on all your gear IF.............
Even with the best of care and protective gear i found the odd screw on the camera lens and split pins on the tripod sometimes gets rusty, so i replace them.
Then with a match head i dab a bit of clear silicione on each screw.............and split pin on the tripod that solves the issue.
I do a real lot of surfing coverage as well as seascapes and let me tell you even with the best camera covers and protective gear, the camera feels clammy and damp due to sea spray or mist which is present and often invisible up close.
I wash each time after use all my gear, camera lens tri pod when back to the office or home. Then i wipe everything dry and leave it out on the table or bench for the day.
DOOR- Z9, not at issue, I had difficulty with opening my door the first time on the Z9, it was very stiff and tight but after using it a dozen times it freed up and works perfectly.
I think the little switch is a very good idea, it assists with a firm door seal especially protecting against rain or super high humidity or being washed.
When you take out your card and it feels clammy example D3x style door you appreciate a good seal.
For me weather sealing is much more critical than one thinks especially in the beach salt air.
Some of my collegues have let things go to far and have serious corrosion issues, my gear is like new.
arbitrage
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^This x100
Got my Z9 and one of the things I noticed is how I really don't need that DISP button and I'd be happy to remap it to Fn4 for the few times I do need it. That DISP is wasting valuable real estate where another AF-On type button could be. Let me move DISP function to Fn4 and allow me the full button customization list for DISP.
I spoke with an NPS rep yesterday and told him the display button and the i menu buttons need to be remappable and fn4 should be mappable for the i menu. He agreed it was a solid idea
O
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Invest in your self not just the gear.
80mp will be the norm....is the smoke in the wind........
I have been saying it for over 18 months that the bench mark average starting area for full frame will be around 45/50/ mp for around 20fps, The Sony A9 was the first indication of that but with 20 mp ?, its logical the bigger ships will just slowly follow.
The landscape cameras will be all around 60-80 plus mp but not as fast, in my mind there are two distinct markets and always will be.
It will be interesting, i believe as many do that late 2022 early 23 will see more significant changes, i am happy to be wrong as to what i say and see what happens ........LOL
Is 16 bit at 80 mp a reality
Is MF in the near future a possibility for Nikon ?, Fuji is the scout ahead of the wagon train on that one. High res MF in smaller bodies and prices are peeling back, i mean 100mp works awesomely, Canon is blowing smoke of 80 mp on 35mm so we may see Fuji MF move to 150mp.
I think the large lens mount diameter from Nikon has leaped over the competition, i see the clear benefits that is a mile long on the list, but hey i sniff a larger MF sensor possibly a 40 mp MF 16 bit which is DX equivalent as i recall in FF medium format..........so hang onto you hat and your private parts she is going to be an interesting time in this sea of change.
35mm Camera manufactures have done so well to get 30fps at 45-50 mp with great ISO, so that indicates the technology is there or always has been.
They drip feed us collectively as an industry, its up to us if we want to play the game.
As i have said to many club members don't feel left behind or threatened or your not competitive, that's just how they want you to feel to have you open your wallet, remember invest in your self as photography is 80-90% you not the gear, i mean a Df D4s D7100 be it exotic glass or the 28-300 used well still smashes photos out of the park, hell my D3X on the 150-500 Sigma or 70-200 FL or even the 80-200 2.8 D still rocks hard............used properly.
Focus on you and what you do this is more important than anything else...........
PS spell check sucks at times sorry for the typo's
80mp will be the norm....is the smoke in the wind........
I have been saying it for over 18 months that the bench mark average starting area for full frame will be around 45/50/ mp for around 20fps, The Sony A9 was the first indication of that but with 20 mp ?, its logical the bigger ships will just slowly follow.
The landscape cameras will be all around 60-80 plus mp but not as fast, in my mind there are two distinct markets and always will be.
It will be interesting, i believe as many do that late 2022 early 23 will see more significant changes, i am happy to be wrong as to what i say and see what happens ........LOL
Is 16 bit at 80 mp a reality
Is MF in the near future a possibility for Nikon ?, Fuji is the scout ahead of the wagon train on that one. High res MF in smaller bodies and prices are peeling back, i mean 100mp works awesomely, Canon is blowing smoke of 80 mp on 35mm so we may see Fuji MF move to 150mp.
I think the large lens mount diameter from Nikon has leaped over the competition, i see the clear benefits that is a mile long on the list, but hey i sniff a larger MF sensor possibly a 40 mp MF 16 bit which is DX equivalent as i recall in FF medium format..........so hang onto you hat and your private parts she is going to be an interesting time in this sea of change.
35mm Camera manufactures have done so well to get 30fps at 45-50 mp with great ISO, so that indicates the technology is there or always has been.
They drip feed us collectively as an industry, its up to us if we want to play the game.
As i have said to many club members don't feel left behind or threatened or your not competitive, that's just how they want you to feel to have you open your wallet, remember invest in your self as photography is 80-90% you not the gear, i mean a Df D4s D7100 be it exotic glass or the 28-300 used well still smashes photos out of the park, hell my D3X on the 150-500 Sigma or 70-200 FL or even the 80-200 2.8 D still rocks hard............used properly.
Focus on you and what you do this is more important than anything else...........
PS spell check sucks at times sorry for the typo's
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Wrogu
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Being a sony user (this is not a rant!) I wondered what the hell the issue with the DISP button is ... I check the back of the Z9 and after seeing it with my own eyes.... haha this is hilarious. And people despise sony menus. A possibility to reprogram buttons should be a gold standard in the industry now.
To stay within the topic scopes - I really like the idea of dual strem technology (if it really works like they claim it does). I hope if it really provides 100% live stream to EVF it will be copied by other companies. For hybrid shooters Nikon might be actually a good choice - they have no internal competition in terms of video camers and they can pack as many features into top body as they want without canibalizing their camera line (unlike sony and canon). I must say I really like what they did with this camera - many bold moves which actually might save Nikon from decline.
May be Nikon may even provide an electronic lock for the battery door with custom set passwordA lot of Nikon users complained about the card door opening accidentally on the Z6/Z7/Z7ii/Z6ii; Nikon fixed it with the Z9. If anything, they sort of overcooked it. It is quite a task to get the card door open on the Z9 now. So I guess they are listening...
O
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Traditionally it takes time to appreciate what can be acheved with Nikon cmaeras, for that matter any brand, but again in the case of Nikons i have found time reveals more than less.
O
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The Nikon Studio software seems quite amazing, friends have come back and said its better than Adobe in several cases, and they can process their RAW images better.
Good to hear, but i personally not a software user so to speak so i can only listen.
Good to hear, but i personally not a software user so to speak so i can only listen.
Wrogu
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But why would you place a DISP button at that place without possibility to remap it to different button (in a less important place) and override its properties with lets say shooting bank/recall function or whatever it is called in Nikon world? Being able to use DISP butto nas a second BBF buton like in sony canon would make sense and it is obvious/intuitive.
FB101
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One of my long time issues with Nikon ergonomics - the only option for a second BBF is the center click of the joystick which has its own issues as you end up moving the focus point on occasion. Nikon body design (for good or bad) revolves around double presses (shutter or bbf + another Fn button to modify the outcome) while Sony revolves around single presses (but you can set it up like a Nikon if so desired, Sony gives the choice when Nikon doesn’t).
‘It’s really differences in philosophy rather than one being superior in absolute terms. I know I am far more comfortable and successful with the Sony single press approach but that’s not thecase for everybody, far from it.
‘When I saw that the Z9 offered more function buttons in the front, no second bbf option in theback and no direct iso wheel… it confirmed that I would never be able to set it up the way I like toshoot but happy D6 users should feel right at home.
Wrogu
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I quite agree. But IMHO the 'It’s really differences in philosophy' would be button size, grip depth, built in grip, some button palcements etc. etc. Not being able to remap stuff is just plain bad approach. Camera users - in general should be able to use them as they want. Being flexible is beautiful. I still remeber my frustration when some functions could be remapped in a7r2 but in a72 I owned ...not.
arbitrage
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I'm wanting to see if anyone can solve my problem in setting up a Recall Shooting Function (RSF).
Here is what I would like the camera to do:
My main shooting is done in full M. I typically have my settings set to more BIF so faster SS, wide-open aperture and an ISO to get me my exposure (typically high).
Then I want to set a button to RSF that makes the following changes:
SS: 1/320
ISO: Auto
AF-Area: Single
FPS: Low:10FPS
Everything else ideally can remain unselected and just match what I'm using regularly.
I know how to set all that in the RSF list. The problem I'm running into is that what I want to happen is that when I hold down the RSF, I want the camera to use Auto-ISO but base the exposure off of whatever my main camera's EC value is.
When not using RSF I obviously don't use the EC as I'm in full M. But I was hoping that the camera would use whatever EC value is set because I've selected Auto-ISO in my RSF list. I can't get it to do this. It just uses a zeroed value for EC. I can select EC in the RSF list but then that fixes EC at whatever value is selected in the RSF list.
I turned Easy EC On just to see if that helps (as I don't use that in normal M mode obviously). Didn't seem to change the behaviour.
Basically what I'm trying to do is use RSF to shoot perched birds, dropping my SS to 1/320 and letting Auto-ISO take over so I don't have to adjust ISO. But of course this only works if the camera uses the EC like it normally would in M+Auto-ISO. Right now the RSF is not useful for how I want it set. My only workaround is to shoot in M+Auto-ISO as my main setting also but I don't want to do that.
Is there anything I'm missing here? Ironically this was my #1 bug I found on my A1....I call it a bug for the A1 because all previous Sony bodies recognized EC when I used this exact same method. Sony finally fixed this in the latest A1 FW and made my shooting experience 100x better with the A1. Now I seem to be running into this problem with the Z9 and I won't call it a bug as it may very well be as intended.
Here is what I would like the camera to do:
My main shooting is done in full M. I typically have my settings set to more BIF so faster SS, wide-open aperture and an ISO to get me my exposure (typically high).
Then I want to set a button to RSF that makes the following changes:
SS: 1/320
ISO: Auto
AF-Area: Single
FPS: Low:10FPS
Everything else ideally can remain unselected and just match what I'm using regularly.
I know how to set all that in the RSF list. The problem I'm running into is that what I want to happen is that when I hold down the RSF, I want the camera to use Auto-ISO but base the exposure off of whatever my main camera's EC value is.
When not using RSF I obviously don't use the EC as I'm in full M. But I was hoping that the camera would use whatever EC value is set because I've selected Auto-ISO in my RSF list. I can't get it to do this. It just uses a zeroed value for EC. I can select EC in the RSF list but then that fixes EC at whatever value is selected in the RSF list.
I turned Easy EC On just to see if that helps (as I don't use that in normal M mode obviously). Didn't seem to change the behaviour.
Basically what I'm trying to do is use RSF to shoot perched birds, dropping my SS to 1/320 and letting Auto-ISO take over so I don't have to adjust ISO. But of course this only works if the camera uses the EC like it normally would in M+Auto-ISO. Right now the RSF is not useful for how I want it set. My only workaround is to shoot in M+Auto-ISO as my main setting also but I don't want to do that.
Is there anything I'm missing here? Ironically this was my #1 bug I found on my A1....I call it a bug for the A1 because all previous Sony bodies recognized EC when I used this exact same method. Sony finally fixed this in the latest A1 FW and made my shooting experience 100x better with the A1. Now I seem to be running into this problem with the Z9 and I won't call it a bug as it may very well be as intended.
sid_19911991
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Unlikely, but Nikon is currently busy making the 800 PF f6.3 lens. I am sure any birder would love for their camera system to have such a lens.
sid_19911991
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Won't the Z9 pick up EC value of the latest settings if the EC option was unchecked at the time of setting the RSF? I set my EC at +0.3. I use the RSF for BIF. So I am unlikely to make a change to the EC. I would imagine the EC to pick the value of the latest settings if EC box was unchecked...are you telling me that doesn't happen?
arbitrage
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That is what I was hoping it would do but doesn't seem to. I cranked my EC to +3 so it would be obvious if it worked while testing this. It just uses EC of 0 no matter what my EC is dialled into. If I select EC in the RSF list then of course it uses whatever value is set in the list. But then I can't change it. I just want to be able to dial in my 1/320s, Auto-ISO exposure while using the RSF via the main EC setting. This is how it should work because the RSF list should use your main settings for anything not checked off. But it just doesn't honour the EC setting of the camera.
sid_19911991
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Oh wierd...I will test that tomorrow & see if it works...if it doesn't...an update is due then...unless I am missing something!
zule11
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posted link to YT video
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For those that do not like the standard eye-ring for the EVF.
When I purchased my Z9, I also I purchased a replacement eye cup from Nikon thinking it was like the DK-19, ie a *cup* to fit around your eye, not just the rubber ring - Nikon part number DK-33 for the Z9. Alas, they sent me what is actually just the replacement for the one that comes with the camera - they don't make a DK-19 type replacement yet!
So, not wanting to use the rubber ring type, I fashioned a replacement cup from an eye cup I got on EBay for the Z7II:
You can dismantle the one I got on Ebay to be just the rubber part which has a flange that fits perfectly into the genuine Nikon rubber eye ring. You have to dismantle the Nikon rubber eye ring into 3 parts, the rubber ring, a thin plastic clip that fits into the base plastic part that then fits onto the camera VF. Remove the rubber ring and then unclip the thin plastic clip which leaves the base that the rubber eye cup for the Z7II can fit onto. Only issue with the rubber eye cup from Ebay is that it doesn't rotate once fitted to the Nikon plastic base like it does on it's original base for the Z6/6II/7/7II. No big deal as it is still better than the original rubber ring for the Z9:
When I purchased my Z9, I also I purchased a replacement eye cup from Nikon thinking it was like the DK-19, ie a *cup* to fit around your eye, not just the rubber ring - Nikon part number DK-33 for the Z9. Alas, they sent me what is actually just the replacement for the one that comes with the camera - they don't make a DK-19 type replacement yet!
So, not wanting to use the rubber ring type, I fashioned a replacement cup from an eye cup I got on EBay for the Z7II:
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You can dismantle the one I got on Ebay to be just the rubber part which has a flange that fits perfectly into the genuine Nikon rubber eye ring. You have to dismantle the Nikon rubber eye ring into 3 parts, the rubber ring, a thin plastic clip that fits into the base plastic part that then fits onto the camera VF. Remove the rubber ring and then unclip the thin plastic clip which leaves the base that the rubber eye cup for the Z7II can fit onto. Only issue with the rubber eye cup from Ebay is that it doesn't rotate once fitted to the Nikon plastic base like it does on it's original base for the Z6/6II/7/7II. No big deal as it is still better than the original rubber ring for the Z9:
thelordofthelight
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Hi @arbitrage i just checked this RSF setting and it works just fine. I set my default camera settings to full manual and then set an RSF override for a slow shooting as you listed in your post and with the RSF set to auto ISO, the camera does consider the EC setting that I set as default. Am I reading your requirements incorrectly?
Here are the RSF settings i selected:
1. Shooting mode checked to M
2. Shutter speed checked to 1/320
3. ISO sensitivity settings checked AND Auto ISO sensitivity control kept ON within that sub menu
4.AF area mode set to single point
5. AF-ON checked
I kept my default camera to full manual and dialed in and EC of -1 and when i press my RSF override, i can see the camera apply all the RSF values like 1/320, single point focus, auto iso and keep the EC to -1.
Here are the RSF settings i selected:
1. Shooting mode checked to M
2. Shutter speed checked to 1/320
3. ISO sensitivity settings checked AND Auto ISO sensitivity control kept ON within that sub menu
4.AF area mode set to single point
5. AF-ON checked
I kept my default camera to full manual and dialed in and EC of -1 and when i press my RSF override, i can see the camera apply all the RSF values like 1/320, single point focus, auto iso and keep the EC to -1.
arbitrage
Well-known member
Thanks...I got it working under FW 1.1....At least I think that is what made the difference....who knows though....