Opinion of the Sony alpha 1 from a lifelong Nikon shooter

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Wonderful report and images. The image of the red winged blackbird is stunning.

I'm hosting a webinar on Nikonians with Arthur Morris on June 15th. Artie is a former Canon Explorer of Light and just published a book on the R5. He's been using the Sony A1 and raves about it. But it was interesting - he indicated the prior Sony cameras were not at the same level and there was a big difference between the A1 and anything else. He describes the A9ii and A7rIV as "over-promised" compared to the A1.

We're in the midst of a transition to truly new and advanced cameras. The A1 is the first step, but the upcoming Canon R3 and Nikon Z9 will be competitive and push the envelope. I thinks it's not realistic to compare a Z7II, A7rIV, or R5 to a flagship action camera like the A1, R3, or Z9.

It will be interesting over the next few years as we see advances in software and processing across all leading camera manufacturers.
How would I be able to join the webinar?
Thank you for the kind words.
I haven’t shot the other Sony cameras and as I mentioned I hadn’t really considered trying Sony until the a1 was announced. I felt like there was to much compromise in the prior bodies but the a1 checked off all the boxes. I’m excited to see what Nikon and Canon do with their upcoming bodies but the a1 is here now, the others we don’t know when we will get them and actually what they will do. So for me Sony made sense. I hope one of them make a camera that makes the a1look like an antique but I’m not sure the Z9 will be that camera.
 
Hello everyone! I wanted to share my thoughts on the Sony a1 after spending the last couple of months and about 40K images shot with it (I have weeks of editing left!). As the title points out I have been a lifelong Nikon user going back to the Nikon F5 (I had 3 of them in the first month they released, I left Canon F1N). I started in photography when I was 12 and by the time I was 17 I was doing paid weddings, at 19 I was a photojournalist, city photographer, and doing weddings as well. I continued on this path until around 24 when I decided to take a different path in life.

After a separation from any serious form of photography I decided to get back into it as a hobby in 2019. This required new modern gear and at the time it made sense to dive back into Nikon. I purchased a D850, D500 and Z6 along with all the new glass to launch myself into the digital world of photography with a focus on wildlife, landscape and astro. I was fairly content except for the Z6 and anything moving really left a poor taste in my mouth of what mirrorless is all about. It wasn't until the Canon R5/6 launched that I could really see the potential of mirrorless, yes the a9 series was out there but didn't really excite me.

I had decided to stick with DSLR, planned to add a D6 to the mix and then Sony dropped the a1 and that changed everything for me. As many have probably read in other post I had all the lenses I wanted/needed except for the 600 F4. This being such an expensive lens it would anchor me into a system for the next 10 plus years. This was why I like many have struggled in what path to take to invest in gear with DSLR on its way out and mirrorless blazing new paths (Steve's new video out today really nails this).

The Sony alpha 1 checked off all the boxes I wanted other than being a Nikon. I decided to invest money into an a1, Sony 200-600, Sony 1.4x & 2x tele and Sony 90mm macro. You can do the math but it was a lot of money to try out a new camera system but knowing I was going to spend over $13K on a single lens I felt it was best to try something else before I pulled the trigger.

Well long story short the moment I shot the a1 my mind was blown away! Before all the Nikon fan boys bash me I have to say I was sick to my stomach at the thought of leaving Nikon (I haven't yet fyi), buying into a different system was agonizing and that really surprised me. It is normal for us to have an attachment to gear we spend our hard earned money on, gear we are proud of, and gear that has delivered amazing images.

For me photography brings me enjoyment in a few ways, one of which is learning. Learning new techniques that take my photography to new levels, learning new gear and how to maximize it's potential and post processing which I find to be the hardest journey but can be very rewarding (I am still old school, I limit most of my editing to dodge and burn). So the a1 or any new camera is fun because it has great potential and requires an investment in learning the camera.

So now that we have the long winded set up of where I came from and why I decided to buy into Sony let's talk about the camera and see some results.

Few things I had heard about Sony in the past that turned me off are: the menus are horrible, the ergonomics are horrible, the mount is to small and Nikon has the edge, they don't have the lenses and on and on. I believed all of that until I bought the a1. Personally it is all BS. Sony has evolved on most things and I suspect they will continue to just like all the other brands.

Menu system: I actually like them even though there are over 50 pages of them! I can't speak to their older menus as I have never used them but I think the a1 menu is pretty solid. It actually makes a lot of sense once you start using them. The one thing that those 50 pages of menus give you is choices! When compared to Nikon the Sony is more "complicated" but frankly that is because Nikon doesn't give you much choice. The a1 is more customizable to how the photographer wants to use their tool than any camera I have ever seen. My opinion Sony menu systems and customization is a major win over my other cameras.

Ergonomics: I don't mind them. I expected to not like them but I honestly haven't found the camera uncomfortable or hard to use. I will say that I wish there was a little more space between the inside grip and the lens. I have large hands and my knuckles can on some lenses touch the lens but not in an uncomfortable way but gloves could be an issue. Reality is I don't shoot with gloves anyway (I live in TX) so not a big issue for me but I could see it being a problem for others. The other thing that should be changed is the lens release is between the lens mount and the grip. What a horrible idea! I can feel it with my fingers at times and getting a finger between the lens and grip to push the button isn't as easy as if the button was on the other side of the lens mount. My opinion Sony ergonomics aren't bad but Nikon is better. Not a deal breaker but an area Sony can and should improve.

Lenses: My experience with the couple of lenses and the 2 tele converters I have is they are very good and reasonably priced (some Sony lenses sure have a Sony tax price). Fast, accurate, smooth, fairly priced and even the 2x on the 200-600 focuses fast, accurately and is still sharp with a 2x. I don't know of any Nikon lenses that are just as sharp with the 2x especially on a non prime that they are without. I don't know what secret sauce Sony has with teleconverters but damn they are impressive! The Sony 200-600 is better then the Nikon 200-500 and the Nikon 500 PF is better than the 200-600 (I would sure hope so as it is a $3,500 prime!) but the 200-600 can take tele with no loss in focus speed which the Nikons can't). I really was shocked when I took the a1 with Sony 90mm macro out to shoot flowers, no tripod and windy and also had the D850 with Nikon 105 micro. The 105 Nikon, hunts, is loud and slow. The a1 was so fast to focus, the 90mm was quiet, didn't hunt and just locked on. I frankly was shocked! I will show some side by sides of flowers and let you decide which is better.

I read all the time that Sony doesn't do anything a good photographer can do with a DSLR. I call BS on that one! The a1 in fact will deliver results that no Nikon will. The simple fact that I can do anything any Nikon can do but at 30 fps, no blackout, and deliver damn near 100% in focus is not something any current Nikon can do. It is a fact, maybe not one some want to except. I haven't used it at 30fps other than to play and go wow that is fast! I do set it at 20fps but I can see some times that 30 would be worth using. The amount of choices we have with wings, expressions and capturing the peak of action is simply amazing! There are many of times with the D850 running at 9fps I would end up disappointed. Either I didn't get a wing just as I wanted or the one I did wasn't tack sharp. So far with the a1 I haven't had that experience. To me that makes the camera worth the $6,500!

I wish Sony had used CFexpress B but the A cards have delivered good results. Dual card slots that I can use CF A or SD is really nice! I have not hit the buffer running 20fps in lossless raw. The camera doesn't lock up as it is writing to the card and it clears its buffer quickly.

The a1 is fast, accurate, and bird eye af is AWESOME! I have really enjoyed shooting the a1 and going back to the D850 has been a bit boring. With my experience with the Z6 I really didn't expect to like mirrorless as much as I do now that I have an a1. Now that I have one the D850 just doesn't bring the smile to my face like it used to. It makes me want to buy more Sony lenses so I can use it rather than the Nikon. This has really shocked me, I expected to like the a1 for action and keep the Nikon around for everything else but now I would much rather shoot the a1 even when it is a static subject. I have a few Nikon lenses I will be selling and I will be buying more Sony glass. I likely will move 100% to Sony but not in a big hurry.

A couple last things before we look at pics. The AF is awesome but not perfect but light years ahead of any camera I own or have owned. You have a lot of options in focus modes and I am still learning when is best to use which mode for different subjects and backgrounds. I will show you an example in a moment on how a hummingbird was in perfect focus, tracking on and then out of no where it couldn't see the bird that was right on the focusing point. To be fair it was my second outing with the camera and it doesn't do that often which probably has to do with me knowing how to use it but it still shouldn't happen. Also at times you can try and prefocus on say a branch and you can see the branch but the camera sure can't. I have read this is an issue all the mirrorless cameras have at times but it still sucks. There are work arounds I have found but still annoying.

The noise in the sensor I think kind of surprised me if you don't have perfect light. I have found I don't like the noise at iso 500 but seems pretty much the same at iso 3200. I need to spend more side by side as I am not a scientist but this is also at the pixel peaking level of 200%. It is however useable up to over 20K iso with topaz products. I don't find I do anymore processing to the raw files than I do with Nikon but for same iso I feel like the D850 files clean up easier in topaz but I don't have proof other than a seat of the pants feel. However the a1 files can go where the D850 and Z6 can't. I can shoot at and above 20K iso and get an image that you can't tell after topaz post processing which is pretty incredible. My opinion is evolving, the a1 files process well, good dynamic range on par with the D850, colors seem to be accurate. I don't find any of my comments about noise a negative as the end results are great.

As I stated before the custom set up with all the buttons is awesome! It has made life so much easier and able to adapt to changing situations better than any camera I have used. I wish it had buttons that light up and I think I would prefer the top LCD but I will say I haven't really missed it because I find myself making less adjustments then in the past, I can simply push a button and completely change the camera for different situations.

In close I am super impressed with the a1 and the Sony lenses I have bought so far. I went into this as open minded as a brand loyal person can be, I came out the other side so impressed that I see making a full switch to Sony over the next year very likely. Thanks for reading!


I am sure I am missing some things and welcome questions but this post is already a book now. Let's look at some pics!

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I will post more images in this thread as 5 is the limit per post.
I own the A1 and 100-400 GM. I have selected lossless compressed RAW and I am willing to give up a few fps.

I have decided to set the aperture one stop down from wide open, and not to use my 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters. I can crop the 50MP quite a bit if necessary. I may sell the 2.0 TC and put the $ toward the 14mm GM prime lens. On my vacation trips I photograph both landscapes and wildlife, so I have to travel with many lenses -24mm GM, 55mm ZA, 135mm GM and 100-400mm GM.
 
Wonderful report and images. The image of the red winged blackbird is stunning.

I'm hosting a webinar on Nikonians with Arthur Morris on June 15th. Artie is a former Canon Explorer of Light and just published a book on the R5. He's been using the Sony A1 and raves about it. But it was interesting - he indicated the prior Sony cameras were not at the same level and there was a big difference between the A1 and anything else. He describes the A9ii and A7rIV as "over-promised" compared to the A1.

We're in the midst of a transition to truly new and advanced cameras. The A1 is the first step, but the upcoming Canon R3 and Nikon Z9 will be competitive and push the envelope. I thinks it's not realistic to compare a Z7II, A7rIV, or R5 to a flagship action camera like the A1, R3, or Z9.

It will be interesting over the next few years as we see advances in software and processing across all leading camera manufacturers.
I have owned the A7R3, and now own the A7R4 and A1. Fast prime lenses are best to resolve the 61 and 50 MP.

For landscapes, A7R4 has 61MP.
A1 has 50MP, 14 bit RAW, up to 15.5 stops dynamic range. A1 wins.

For fast action /sports /wildlife A1 wins easily.

The A7R4 will be my backup camera. I will likely be swapping lenses on my A1, rather than keeping a different lens on each camera.
 
A1 is very tempting. Things I need to know more about - is it now fully compatible with Lightroom?
And I wonder if the image size will mean I need to actually get a new computer? I'm currently shooting with the 7riii and the a9, but wondering if there are any computer issues with these huge files?
 
A1 is very tempting. Things I need to know more about - is it now fully compatible with Lightroom?
And I wonder if the image size will mean I need to actually get a new computer? I'm currently shooting with the 7riii and the a9, but wondering if there are any computer issues with these huge files?
Yes it’s compatible and I shoot lossless compressed and similar to a D850 file size. I don’t believe prior cameras had lossless.
 
Yes it’s compatible and I shoot lossless compressed and similar to a D850 file size. I don’t believe prior cameras had lossless.
Yes. Lightroom, Camera RAW, Photoshop, Topaz DeNoise AI are all compatible.

By-the-way, this software is also compatible with my MacBook Pro 13" M1.

You may eventually need more storage for your pics, as well for backing up. Storage is not expensive - less than the price of 2 160GB CF Express A cards :)
 
How would I be able to join the webinar?
Thank you for the kind words.
I haven’t shot the other Sony cameras and as I mentioned I hadn’t really considered trying Sony until the a1 was announced. I felt like there was to much compromise in the prior bodies but the a1 checked off all the boxes. I’m excited to see what Nikon and Canon do with their upcoming bodies but the a1 is here now, the others we don’t know when we will get them and actually what they will do. So for me Sony made sense. I hope one of them make a camera that makes the a1look like an antique but I’m not sure the Z9 will be that camera.

The webinar registration will open in another week or so through a link available at www.nikonians.org . These webinars are only available for paying Nikonian members - starting at $35 per year. There are a number of Nikonians who are members here. That also provides access to the archive of webinars since November. All are top notch speakers with about half being Nikon Ambassadors.

We'll try to get Steve to join when schedules permit. He'd be great.

 
Has anyone tried the Sony 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 GM OSS (and +/- the 1.4x TC?)? Not an f/4 like the Nikon 180-400mm, but it's a fraction of the price. I wish I had jumped on the a1 at launch - they are hard to find. I've shot Nikon since 1978 and have a D6 and D500 for wildlife, paired with the 800, 500PF, 300PF and 70-200 f/2.8E. Plus the 105 Micro mentioned above. I can capture BIF pretty well with my gear, but I have to work at it more than my friends with an a1. Anyway, the 800, which Sony doesn't have in their lineup, will keep with Nikon for a long time. But I can see getting a Sony a1 and the 600 f/4 plus the 100-400 for high speed action. Lastly, I have been out shooting BIF with my Z6M2 with the 300 and 500. It really lags behind and is no match for my DSLRs. I plan to wait for the Z9 and see what it brings to the table. If Nikon can't get it together by then, not to mention getting Z mount super telephoto lenses out the door, I may jump to Sony for everything, as painful as that would be, especially financially...
 
Has anyone tried the Sony 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 GM OSS (and +/- the 1.4x TC?)?

Yes. I'm quite impressed with the lens by itself, not so much with the 1.4x extender unless stopped down to f/11 (the same extender on the 600mm GM is quite good). My standard of reference is the Leica 280mm f/4 APO which I used before switching to Sony. Optically the 100-400 is an excellent lens, it's focus on recent bodies is very quick and accurate, and it's as robust as any other manufacturer's top-of-the-line lens. A few examples:
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I am in the same leaky row boat. Though I am have a dual system, Nikon for non-action and Sony for action.
That’s what I am doing for now, in a sense — keeping my D500 and D850 for BIF and other faster action and using my ZIIs for most everything else. The problem is that you don’t always know when you are going to find action. So it would be great to have a camera with the advantages of mirrorless that is excellent for action.

Does anyone know if there is an adapter that would allow Nikon’s PF lenses to be used on an A1 or A9II? And if so, has anyone tried it? Is there any hit to autofocus or do the cameras autofocus just as well as with a Sony lens?
 
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Yes. I'm quite impressed with the lens by itself, not so much with the 1.4x extender unless stopped down to f/11 (the same extender on the 600mm GM is quite good). My standard of reference is the Leica 280mm f/4 APO which I used before switching to Sony. Optically the 100-400 is an excellent lens, it's focus on recent bodies is very quick and accurate, and it's as robust as any other manufacturer's top-of-the-line lens. A few examples:
 
I agree. I own the A1 and 100-400GM, and the 1.4 and 2x teleconverters. The sharpest/low noise pics are with no TC and the lens aperture 1 stop down from wide open. I might end up cropping 50MP down to 15 though.

I also own the 135mm f1.8 GM lens, for low light situations and big critters (bears, elephants). :)
 
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That’s what I am doing for now, in a sense — keeping my D500 and D850 for BIF and other faster action and using my ZIIs for most everything else. The problem is that you don’t always know when you are going to find action. So it would be great to have a camera with the advantages of mirrorless that is excellent for action.

Does anyone know if there is an adapter that would allow Nikon’s PF lenses to be used on an A1 or A9II? And if so, has anyone tried it? Is there any hit to autofocus or do the cameras autofocus just as well as with a Sony lens?
This is why the a1 was so appealing to me. One camera that can do it all.
I have another thread that I recently posted about adapters. I tried it and was a fail unfortunately.
 
This is why the a1 was so appealing to me. One camera that can do it all.
I have another thread that I recently posted about adapters. I tried it and was a fail unfortunately.
Agree and thanks.

I figured that was likely the case with the PF lenses and adapters on the Sonys or I would have heard positive things about it on this forum. Too bad though, might have given us the best of both worlds for now.
 
Doug, your images are amazing! Based on your and Bill's discussion re: 100-400 with 1.4x, I'm now wondering if that is why I was so disappointed in my results (with A1 and 1-4 with the 1.4x) since I was shooting wide open most of the time? Stopping down, even a little, is tough in the types of lighting I shoot in. I'm used to superb results with my PF lenses + 1.4x wide open on my D500 and was hoping to do the same with the Sony gear.

My work-around with the thousands of images I took with the A1 rental are, as Steve recommended, to run them through Topaz. They are looking quite nice now Steve ;), but I will confess I really would prefer to be out in the field as opposed to spending more time behind a computer PPing; and even with Topaz's batch processing, it takes a long time. As I mentioned before, I'm spoiled with gorgeous Nikon files out of the camera; they make PPing a breeze. At the moment, for someone on a more "modest" budget, I still wish I could have an A1-type body with my gorgeous PF lenses (and with the ability to use the 1.4x)!

Another observation would be, by now why hasn't Sony produced some "in-between" telephoto primes (e.g. 300/f2.8, 400/f4, 500/5.6) that would play well wide open with the 1.4x? I'm sure there would be a lot of folks interested in those.
 
I should add one other downside to having to use Topaz on almost all of these files, besides time, is storage. I like to keep the original raw files in addition to the ones edited in Topaz which means I'm ending up with double the files and thus using much more space than I would if I didn't need to use Topaz on most of these. Yep, space is relatively "cheap", but this is def something I'm not used to in my Nikon world (albeit small, but it has been great to me).
 
... why hasn't Sony produced some "in-between" telephoto primes (e.g. 300/f2.8, 400/f4, 500/5.6) that would play well wide open with the 1.4x? I'm sure there would be a lot of folks interested in those.

I agree, there would be a lot of people interested in those lenses! IMHO combining an a1-spec body with those sweet PF lenses would be awesome. Either a body on the Nikon side, or lenses on the Sony side would get my interest (and my wallet).
 
Mike, sorry to ask what is likely an obvious questions, but are you saying that when you use the 100-400 on the A1 (WITHOUT the 1.4x), you find that it is best to stop down to f8? Yikes!
 
Doug, your images are amazing! Based on your and Bill's discussion re: 100-400 with 1.4x, I'm now wondering if that is why I was so disappointed in my results (with A1 and 1-4 with the 1.4x) since I was shooting wide open most of the time? Stopping down, even a little, is tough in the types of lighting I shoot in. I'm used to superb results with my PF lenses + 1.4x wide open on my D500 and was hoping to do the same with the Sony gear.

My work-around with the thousands of images I took with the A1 rental are, as Steve recommended, to run them through Topaz. They are looking quite nice now Steve ;), but I will confess I really would prefer to be out in the field as opposed to spending more time behind a computer PPing; and even with Topaz's batch processing, it takes a long time. As I mentioned before, I'm spoiled with gorgeous Nikon files out of the camera; they make PPing a breeze. At the moment, for someone on a more "modest" budget, I still wish I could have an A1-type body with my gorgeous PF lenses (and with the ability to use the 1.4x)!

Another observation would be, by now why hasn't Sony produced some "in-between" telephoto primes (e.g. 300/f2.8, 400/f4, 500/5.6) that would play well wide open with the 1.4x? I'm sure there would be a lot of folks interested in those.
Not doing math here but it seems like a cropped A1 file would be better than a 1.4x tc D500 file?
 
Doug, your images are amazing! Based on your and Bill's discussion re: 100-400 with 1.4x, I'm now wondering if that is why I was so disappointed in my results (with A1 and 1-4 with the 1.4x) since I was shooting wide open most of the time? Stopping down, even a little, is tough in the types of lighting I shoot in. I'm used to superb results with my PF lenses + 1.4x wide open on my D500 and was hoping to do the same with the Sony gear.

My work-around with the thousands of images I took with the A1 rental are, as Steve recommended, to run them through Topaz. They are looking quite nice now Steve ;), but I will confess I really would prefer to be out in the field as opposed to spending more time behind a computer PPing; and even with Topaz's batch processing, it takes a long time. As I mentioned before, I'm spoiled with gorgeous Nikon files out of the camera; they make PPing a breeze. At the moment, for someone on a more "modest" budget, I still wish I could have an A1-type body with my gorgeous PF lenses (and with the ability to use the 1.4x)!

Another observation would be, by now why hasn't Sony produced some "in-between" telephoto primes (e.g. 300/f2.8, 400/f4, 500/5.6) that would play well wide open with the 1.4x? I'm sure there would be a lot of folks interested in those.
They are coming. Let’s face it the F Mount has been around a long time! How many decades did it take till Nikon introduced the PF lenses and some of their long zooms? Sony is still relatively new and they are continuing to bring out new glass and cameras at a pace no other company is currently doing. It’s essentially June and Nikon hasn’t released any lenses or bodies this year. Sony has announced and shipped multiple bodies and lenses.
 
Not doing math here but it seems like a cropped A1 file would be better than a 1.4x tc D500 file?

Hi Hut! I know what you mean and haven't done the math either, I can only say based on what I'm used to producing with Nikon vs. what I'm trying to produce with the A1 setup. At the moment, I believe the D500 with the PF lenses + 1.4x play well wide open where the Sony A1 with 1-4 + 1.4x require you to stop down (apparently a full stop). Not ideal.
 
Doug, your images are amazing! Based on your and Bill's discussion re: 100-400 with 1.4x, I'm now wondering if that is why I was so disappointed in my results (with A1 and 1-4 with the 1.4x) since I was shooting wide open most of the time? Stopping down, even a little, is tough in the types of lighting I shoot in. I'm used to superb results with my PF lenses + 1.4x wide open on my D500 and was hoping to do the same with the Sony gear.

My work-around with the thousands of images I took with the A1 rental are, as Steve recommended, to run them through Topaz. They are looking quite nice now Steve ;), but I will confess I really would prefer to be out in the field as opposed to spending more time behind a computer PPing; and even with Topaz's batch processing, it takes a long time. As I mentioned before, I'm spoiled with gorgeous Nikon files out of the camera; they make PPing a breeze. At the moment, for someone on a more "modest" budget, I still wish I could have an A1-type body with my gorgeous PF lenses (and with the ability to use the 1.4x)!

Another observation would be, by now why hasn't Sony produced some "in-between" telephoto primes (e.g. 300/f2.8, 400/f4, 500/5.6) that would play well wide open with the 1.4x? I'm sure there would be a lot of folks interested in those.
If anyone cares, here is a review of the 100-400GM lens. The MTF charts show that the lens is sharp wide open, but even better stopped down. I think that the horizontal axis is the distance from the lens centre.
(don't ask me what MTF means)

Sony does sell 400/f2.8 and 600/f4, but these cost 1.7x an A1 :) I would be happy with a compact 600/f7.1 for $4,000 US.
 
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