Soft Sony images compared to Nikon

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In the last couple of days I rented the Sony A1 with the 200-600mm and it was amazing. What an incrible accurate auto focus. I have never experienced anything like that with my Nikon equipment, I am using the D550/D850 and Z6II. In a certain way the images produced by the Sony seem to be softer than images taken with the Nikon equipment. Do you recognize this? Did I made mistakes in using the Sony combo?

As an example this little bird capturing some gnat. The exif: 1/2500th, F6.3, ISO 1000 at 600mm.

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Thanks for your quick response. The weird thing for me is that I cannot tell you exactly where or what it is, it is a feeling that it is somehow different from the known Nikon standard (for me).
 
Thanks for your quick response. The weird thing for me is that I cannot tell you exactly where or what it is, it is a feeling that it is somehow different from the known Nikon standard (for me).
I agree with the others that the image looks sharp, especially considering it's an in-flight image of a fast moving erratic bird. Great job.

You might be picking up on subtle contrast differences and that can be either lens differences (the Nikon 500mm f/4 G is a world class lens) or it could be very slight exposure differences related to the way the metering in the two cameras differ. Changes in micro contrast can often appear as subtle changes in image sharpness but on close inspection edge transitions might still be very sharp. If it's slight exposure or rendering differences then you might be able to compensate in post processing. Just a thought.

Great image!
 
I'm using the A9 with the Sony 200-600mm lens and have no complaints about sharpness. I would make my mind up about sharpness just by looking at this one image. As others have said it looks sharp. You could drive yourself crazy trying to compare this image to what it would have looked like on a Nikon. That's just not possible to do.

When I jumped to Sony from Nikon last year, I deliberately resisted any urge to make comparisons with the past when I realised pretty quickly that the IQ I was getting from the Sony was obvious to see.

There shouldn't be any IQ worries with the A1.
 
I agree with the others that the image looks sharp, especially considering it's an in-flight image of a fast moving erratic bird. Great job.

You might be picking up on subtle contrast differences and that can be either lens differences (the Nikon 500mm f/4 G is a world class lens) or it could be very slight exposure differences related to the way the metering in the two cameras differ. Changes in micro contrast can often appear as subtle changes in image sharpness but on close inspection edge transitions might still be very sharp. If it's slight exposure or rendering differences then you might be able to compensate in post processing. Just a thought.

Great image!

Thanks for the feedback, I did like the image a lot either. The rendering will be different indeed.
 
I'm using the A9 with the Sony 200-600mm lens and have no complaints about sharpness. I would make my mind up about sharpness just by looking at this one image. As others have said it looks sharp. You could drive yourself crazy trying to compare this image to what it would have looked like on a Nikon. That's just not possible to do.

When I jumped to Sony from Nikon last year, I deliberately resisted any urge to make comparisons with the past when I realised pretty quickly that the IQ I was getting from the Sony was obvious to see.

There shouldn't be any IQ worries with the A1.

Good advice thank you, never regretted the move to Sony? What were youre considerations to move from Nikon to Sony? For me the main reason would be the fantastic auto focus and the 30fps for wildlife.
 
That was my idea, but my version of the 500mm is quite "old" and this 200-600 is brand new tech and might perform better than the top lens from before....
The reality is your 500mm f/4 G lens (the first to include a VR function) has fantastic optics and there are few to any zoom lenses, regardless of how new, that can compete with it. Lenses have improved but it takes a lot more glass surfaces and design tradeoffs to build a wide range telephoto zoom lens making it very hard to yield better contrast and sharpness in a zoom lens. Don't get me wrong, zoom lenses have come a long ways and high end lenses, like the 200-600mm Sony, are very good lenses but when compared head to head in an optical lab it's very hard to match the prime lens performance of even a bit older prime lens.

The Sony 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 is a tremendous lens but it's still a pro-sumer lens compared to Nikon or Sony's 500mm f/4 offerings which are top end pro lenses and priced accordingly.

Here's an example from Photography Life comparing Nikon's 180-400mm zoom which is a top of the line pro zoom lens costing over $12,000 to their 400mm f/2.8 prime lens at roughly the same price and one of the sharpest lenses Nikon has ever produced:

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From here: https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-180-400mm-f4e-tc1-4-fl-ed-vr/3

They're both amazing lenses and both are more than sharp enough for the most demanding professional use but the zoom just can't match the prime lens sharpness especially at wider apertures and in the center.

The age of your 500mm G lens has a much bigger impact on weight and features like VR performance and water resistant lens coatings than it does on optical performance as Nikon has a deep history in optical design and the 500mm G lens really has world class optical performance even by today's standards.
 
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If this is SOOC Jpeg you might just be looking at differences in how the default settings are between cameras. If it is processed in LR, I would assume the recipe for a 61mp A1 will be a bit different from your Nikons, even the D850. Each sensor has its unique needs to reveal its full sharpness potential so I wouldn’t be shocked that the way you are used to processing files may not be quite optimal for the A1. Steve might be able to comment since he shoots most of those cameras.
 
It is pretty impossible to judge based on the information you have given. If you shoot the same scene on a tripod with lenses of similar price range and reputation, maybe shoot a color checker card and run the software so the colors for both cameras are calibrated, process them both individually to yield the very best you can tweak out of both cameras, especially differences in sharpening, then post both images. Otherwise it is just a personal preference. That's why I shoot Canon.
 
Good advice thank you, never regretted the move to Sony? What were youre considerations to move from Nikon to Sony? For me the main reason would be the fantastic auto focus and the 30fps for wildlife.

Part technical and part financial. The time was right for me to get the best trade in prices for my old gear. Waiting any appreciable time to switch would mean my outlay for new gear would always be growing. I acquired excellent amount of cash for around 12 items of Nikon gear.

The A9 (and the Sony 200-500 lens) is as good as I expected it to be. Fabulous frames per second. Too fast actually even at the lowest speed setting. In fact, I've been taking my finger off the shutter button a lot quicker to be honest.
 
The 2 photos look identical. Raindrops are in exact same spots. You mention how amazing the Sony is and you have not seen that in any Nikon, but then say the images are softer than Nikon. I'm missing something here
 
If this is SOOC Jpeg you might just be looking at differences in how the default settings are between cameras. If it is processed in LR, I would assume the recipe for a 61mp A1 will be a bit different from your Nikons, even the D850. Each sensor has its unique needs to reveal its full sharpness potential so I wouldn’t be shocked that the way you are used to processing files may not be quite optimal for the A1. Steve might be able to comment since he shoots most of those cameras.

You're probably right, I hope Steve can reflect on you suggestion.
 
You're probably right, I hope Steve can reflect on you suggestion.
Honestly, I've not processed enough a1 files yet to know. I haven't really noticed much of a difference in sharpness (or the quality of that sharpness) between the Nikon D840 and Sony a1, although I haven't really compared them side by side. I can say I have been happy with the sharpness for the a1, but I've only used it with the 600 F/4 so far.
 
I have the Nikon D850 and use the 500mm f/4.0 G ED as well as the Sony a1 with the 200-600mm f/5.6 -6.3 G OSS. The former platform is superb characterized by incredible IQ but at a price in weight and size. For "running and gunning" the Sony combo is unbeatable for action photography. The top pic is the Nikon platform and the bottom is the Sony.
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I have the Nikon D850 and use the 500mm f/4.0 G ED as well as the Sony a1 with the 200-600mm f/5.6 -6.3 G OSS. The former platform is superb characterized by incredible IQ but at a price in weight and size. For "running and gunning" the Sony combo is unbeatable for action photography. The top pic is the Nikon platform and the bottom is the Sony. View attachment 18085View attachment 18086

Both very nice pictures with high IQ, using both the Nikon and Sony like you do would be the ideal situation, but know from my wallet perspective that I have to choose :)
Thanks for sharing these beautiful images!
 
Not to pile on, but I'm pretty sure the difference you're 'feeling' (I know, it's not always something you can put your finger on) is the lenses. I don't have encyclopedic results to show, but I've used a number of versions of the Nikon 500 f/4 and the 600 f/4 and there simply isn't a zoom lens than can touch them. I can almost always tell if one of my images has come from one of those lenses. There's surprisingly little variation in image quality as well across the generations as well - the 500 f/4P (manual focus) stomps most zooms, thirty years later. (This observation largely carries over to the 500 f/5.6PF as well). I'm sure the Sony primes are sharp as well, but I don't think the zooms are there yet.
 
Not to pile on, but I'm pretty sure the difference you're 'feeling' (I know, it's not always something you can put your finger on) is the lenses. I don't have encyclopedic results to show, but I've used a number of versions of the Nikon 500 f/4 and the 600 f/4 and there simply isn't a zoom lens than can touch them. I can almost always tell if one of my images has come from one of those lenses. There's surprisingly little variation in image quality as well across the generations as well - the 500 f/4P (manual focus) stomps most zooms, thirty years later. (This observation largely carries over to the 500 f/5.6PF as well). I'm sure the Sony primes are sharp as well, but I don't think the zooms are there yet.

That's a really good point - it may just be the different rendering between lenses.
 
I have the Nikon D850 and use the 500mm f/4.0 G ED as well as the Sony a1 with the 200-600mm f/5.6 -6.3 G OSS. The former platform is superb characterized by incredible IQ but at a price in weight and size. For "running and gunning" the Sony combo is unbeatable for action photography. The top pic is the Nikon platform and the bottom is the Sony. View attachment 18085View attachment 18086
Beautiful photos!👍👍
 
A very interesting discussion, and one that touches on something that has amazed me over these past few years. The concentration on first megapixel count, and later on (with mirrorless) AF automation or tracking performance, seems to have completely pushed the awareness of true optical quality and the many aspects that go with that, from the table. 10 years back 500mm f4 prime lenses were still highly regarded, and when I visited (printed) images on display from someone using e.g. a Nikon D3 and 500mm f4 lens, I marvelled at the graphic quality of these prints.
Even today, my favorite images to look at are from the Nikon D5/D850/D500 stable with the 400/500/600E lenses. I rarely if ever have to put in an effort to simply love the look of these images, much more so than images from the current mirrorless champions. Surely these (mirrorless) images are sharp, are perfectly in focus, show all tiny details, and still it does not come as easy to simply like the way they look and the mood they bring across.
A lens like the Sony 200-600 is often said to be "as sharp as or sharper than the Canon 500mm f4". I see posts on forums by people that sold their Nikon 500E for it, and I simply cannot grasp it, because I very rarely like the look, mood or graphic qualities of images taken with this lens in the way I do, without having to work for it, like images from the D500 with the 500E lens.

I am wondering if the lack of shutter/mirror induced blur and the perfect in-focus have made people believe that the optical quality of a true high end prime lens has become redundant, but there is a lot more going on than just perfect in-focus non-blurred sharpness with a true high end optic. Quality of contrast, color, bokeh, all the way to how a lens/camara combo captures the light and mood of a scene, I feel it is becoming less and less relevant, and people lose the judgement of these qualities, or simply have lost the apetite or ability to see the differences. To me, Sony has not reached Nikon level contrast quality overall, and contrast is a very important factor in imaging. It is one of the reasons why Zeiss became so big. I shoot the Sony A7RII as my general camera, but with the Zeiss Loxia 25mm for just the one reason: quality of color and contrast.
In the same fashion I am soon doing something I believe no-one in their right mind will do in this day and age: I will add a newly bought Nikon 500mm f4E FL to the 500PF for use on my D500. Simply because I would rather come home with 20 succesfull images from the D500+500E combo, than 1000 perfectly in-focus images from the Sony A1+200-600G.
 
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