Sony A71V announcement

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It is a teaser and not exactly any more clear. Sony’s website doesn’t say what camera or even type of camera is coming. The only thing on Sony’s website is the wording “New Camera is Coming” with a date for the announcement. Alpha Rumors is filling in the details saying what the camera will feature and when it will be available. Nikon said which camera is coming, showed you video of the camera in use, with some of the features. Canon released certain details around the specs of theirs. It’s three different styles of marketing. In my opinion, Canon’s was the most clear.
 
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I find all these tasers stupid but if I had to go with one approach it would be SONY for the A1. It reminds of Teddy Roosevelt - Speak softly and carry a big stick. I don't follow Canon but Nikon's with the ZII was speak loudly and carry a twig. I can only hope the Z9 is a club and not another twig.
 
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RockvilleBob said:
I find all these tasers stupid but if I had to go with one approach it would be SONY for the A1. It reminds of Teddy Roosevelt - Speak softly and carry a big stick. I don't follow Canon but Nikon's with the ZII was speak loudly and carry a twig. I can only hope the Z9 is a club and not another twig.
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Hope it follows the same method for this one too
 
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abc123brian said:
It is a teaser and not exactly any more clear. Sony’s website doesn’t say what camera or even type of camera is coming. The only thing on Sony’s website is the wording “New Camera is Coming” with a date for the announcement. Alpha Rumors is filling in the details saying what the camera will feature and when it will be available. Nikon said which camera is coming, showed you video of the camera in use, with some of the features. Canon released certain details around the specs of theirs. It’s three different styles of marketing. In my opinion, Canon’s was the most clear.
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I think you said it too soon.Sonys teaser seem to be a real classic one with hidden words for the specs & has been unravelled by a smart reader.
Specs seem pretty impressive.
See https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/lol-sony-shows-the-a7iv-specs-inside-the-youtube-teaser-keywords/
 
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Venkatesh VT said:
I think you said it too soon.Sonys teaser seem to be a real classic one with hidden words for the specs & has been unravelled by a smart reader.
Specs seem pretty impressive.
See https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/lol-sony-shows-the-a7iv-specs-inside-the-youtube-teaser-keywords/
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I based my comments on Sony’s official website as seen below. Keywords in the YouTube link may have been a mistake. I expect it to be impressive and if they keep the price the same, probably the best value for the time being.

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Check Sony alpha rumors. They have the full specs. Sony marketing made a mistake by placing the specs as key words in the tags. It will have bird eye af, 10 FPS,
Here is the full list:
And now to the specs unveiled by Sony:

  • 4K
  • Eye AF, Animal Eye AF, AF, Eye AF movies
  • field camera, pro camera
  • silent shutter
  • FTP
  • 4K60p
  • Eye AF birds
  • 10fps
  • 33MP
  • BIONZ XR
  • 10-bit 4:2:2 HLG
  • All-I XAVC S-I
  • S-Cinetone
  • S-log3
  • S&Q dial
  • vari-angle LCD
  • gimbal
  • 5GHz Wi-Fi
  • USB 10Gbps live streaming
  • Creative Look
  • 15+ stops dynamic range
 
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dtibbals said:
Check Sony alpha rumors. They have the full specs. Sony marketing made a mistake by placing the specs as key words in the tags. It will have bird eye af, 10 FPS,
Here is the full list:
And now to the specs unveiled by Sony:

  • 4K
  • Eye AF, Animal Eye AF, AF, Eye AF movies
  • field camera, pro camera
  • silent shutter
  • FTP
  • 4K60p
  • Eye AF birds
  • 10fps
  • 33MP
  • BIONZ XR
  • 10-bit 4:2:2 HLG
  • All-I XAVC S-I
  • S-Cinetone
  • S-log3
  • S&Q dial
  • vari-angle LCD
  • gimbal
  • 5GHz Wi-Fi
  • USB 10Gbps live streaming
  • Creative Look
  • 15+ stops dynamic range
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Bird eye AF :love:

Sounds like a great camera on paper.... Only wish it would shoot faster than 10fps. Should pair very well with the Sigma 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG DN OS S
 
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It definitely has potential and it looks like it'll be announced before I find out any more about that Z camera. It's piqued my interest and I really like that there's no 8 or 9 month minimum waiting period.
 
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Sonyalpharumors posted a leaked Northrup review and while its not a thorough review it does provide some additional insight. It looks like a pretty good alternative to $6500 cameras if you can live with the compromises that come with a $2600 price tag.
 
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I'm not a Sony shooter (YET).....I'm wondering how the animal tracking will be for the new A7IV - I don't know how it's like now other than the A1, but if it's as good, I'm jumping onboard the Sony train.

Hoping Sony users here can chime in...

Thanks
 
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I watched the release video and the DPReview first impressions and while the camera has some interesting specs, it seems like there are some annoying limitations. A major one is dropping from 10FPS to 5FPS if you want to shoot RAW/Lossless Compressed. 🤦‍♂️ The AF tracking looked great though. I went in thinking this camera would be tough to beat, but still a lot of compromises unfortunately.
 
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Super slow sensor readout measured by DPR of 1/15s for stills mode means this is a MS only camera for any type of action shooting. 10FPS is disappointing especially being limited to lossy compressed and having to drop all the way to 5FPS for lossless.

33MP is a nice number. New processor with new menus, no lockouts, fast card writes, deep buffer are all positives.

I was hoping for 15FPS (I'd accept that limited to lossy) and a sensor scan around R5 level of 1/60 which allows for most BIF without wing distortion in ES.

I think I'll save my $3200 CAD and put that towards a potential Z9.
 
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Once you go a1 there is no going to lower spec bodies however for those who want a low cost alternative have got to be willing to except less specs ie lower FPS, lower MP etc. For the price point it will still do more than any current Z body even if it is at a slower FPS. There will be more to come, I personally am waiting on buying a second a1 to see what Sony does with the a9III. I think they will increase some of the specs to get closer to an R3 and that might be a great second camera if it is a couple grand cheaper. If not I'll just buy a second a1.
 
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Pros I gathered from youtube

(correct me if I am wrong)


1) BionZ XR chip used in Sony A1
(8 times more powerful than A7 iii chip)

2) Far better AF. Real time object tracking. Bird eye AF. Same AI software that's in A1.

3) Excellent dynamic range 15 stops

4) Excellent ISO performance despite 33 mp sensor due to A1 chip I would imagine.
(Will be similar to A7 iii or better)

4) 10-bit internal 4k recording. Even 1080 p 120 fps will be in 10-bit.

5) No AA filter like A7 iii I presume.

6) 7k over sampled 4k; will be super sharp.

7) All functions will work with the affordable SD card.

8) 33 mp. Better for cropping.

9) In focus mapping for video feature.

10) Seperate button/knob for video/still switch. Better menus. Excellent for switching between vids/stills.

Cons

1) 14-bit raw lossless compressed file can be shot only at 5 fps according to DP review.

.......


With Z9 being very expensive & mid-range mirrorless Z not even announced yet...


I think I will be selling my 500pf & Z6 ii for Sony A7 iv & 200-600.

I guess I will have to rent a 500 f4 occasionally if I happen to visit some amazing birding hotspots.

I will still keep my D500 & 70-200 f2.8 for close range mammals & wildlife habitat photography.
 
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sid_19911991 said:
Pros I gathered from youtube

(correct me if I am wrong)


1) BionZ XR chip used in Sony A1
(8 times more powerful than A7 iii chip)

2) Far better AF. Real time object tracking. Bird eye AF. Same AI software that's in A1.

3) Excellent dynamic range 15 stops

4) Excellent ISO performance despite 33 mp sensor due to A1 chip I would imagine.
(Will be similar to A7 iii or better)

4) 10-bit internal 4k recording. Even 1080 p 120 fps will be in 10-bit.

5) No AA filter like A7 iii I presume.

6) 7k over sampled 4k; will be super sharp.

7) All functions will work with the affordable SD card.

8) 33 mp. Better for cropping.

9) In focus mapping for video feature.

10) Seperate button/knob for video/still switch. Better menus. Excellent for switching between vids/stills.

Cons

1) 14-bit raw lossless compressed file can be shot only at 5 fps according to DP review.

.......


With Z9 being very expensive & mid-range mirrorless Z not even announced yet...


I think I will be selling my 500pf & Z6 ii for Sony A7 iv & 200-600.

I guess I will have to rent a 500 f4 occasionally if I happen to visit some amazing birding hotspots.

I will still keep my D500 & 70-200 f2.8 for close range mammals & wildlife habitat photography.
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DPReview also stated rolling shutter is worse than A7iii unless using cropped 4K. Not saying it’s a bad camera, but other than tracking and more resolution, I’m not seeing a lot it offers. Some of the specs are significantly worse. I seriously expected this camera to match or outshine the Z6ii and R6 on basically all specs other than EVF and LCD resolution. If the Z6ii receives the expected firmware updates, it might be the better wildlife camera out of the two and I didn’t expect that.
 
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abc123brian said:
DPReview also stated rolling shutter is worse than A7iii unless using cropped 4K. Not saying it’s a bad camera, but other than tracking and more resolution, I’m not seeing a lot it offers. Some of the specs are significantly worse. I seriously expected this camera to match or outshine the Z6ii and R6 on basically all specs other than EVF and LCD resolution. If the Z6ii receives the expected firmware updates, it might be the better wildlife camera out of the two and I didn’t expect that.
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Based on my experience using R6 & Z6 ii, I will never consider Canon no matter the AF performance, as I hate their colour noise performance. Maybe R3 is better as it is a BSI sensor. No clue.

I own the Z6 ii, I do not like the fact it has a heavy AA filter. Not sharp on my 500 pf.
Also, Z6 ii shoots 8-bit video internally.
The 4k 60 fps is very soft on Z6 ii.

I don't know if the 2 processors can manage better performance. Assuming that Nikon can crack the AI software soon.

Also, Z6 ii has 270 odd focus points, while Canon r6 & Sony A7 iv have 700 plus focus points. Surely that must count for something...

So, I am not sure if Z6 ii will be better for me even with some updates.
 
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abc123brian said:
I watched the release video and the DPReview first impressions and while the camera has some interesting specs, it seems like there are some annoying limitations. A major one is dropping from 10FPS to 5FPS if you want to shoot RAW/Lossless Compressed. 🤦‍♂️ The AF tracking looked great though. I went in thinking this camera would be tough to beat, but still a lot of compromises unfortunately.
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Sony is developing a reputation for technical specifications with a lot of provisos and footnotes. One has to read the fine print.
 
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The thing for me about Canon is that their camera body style/button placement doesn't appeal to me - I used to be a Canon shooter and it was something that really bothered me, so I left them.

sid_19911991 said:
Based on my experience using R6 & Z6 ii, I will never consider Canon no matter the AF performance, as I hate their colour noise performance. Maybe R3 is better as it is a BSI sensor. No clue.

I own the Z6 ii, I do not like the fact it has a heavy AA filter. Not sharp on my 500 pf.
Also, Z6 ii shoots 8-bit video internally.
The 4k 60 fps is very soft on Z6 ii.

I don't know if the 2 processors can manage better performance. Assuming that Nikon can crack the AI software soon.

Also, Z6 ii has 270 odd focus points, while Canon r6 & Sony A7 iv have 700 plus focus points. Surely that must count for something...

So, I am not sure if Z6 ii will be better for me even with some updates.
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I’m just a bird lover that likes photographing them rather than the other way around. Just a walk around sort of photographer. But still like nice shots including BIF. Looking to step up from my Z50. I had pretty much decided on a Sony A7R iv with the 100-400 GM lens and a 1.4x tc. Should I wait a month for the A7 iv? Save AUD 600. Decision partly based on availability, but weight of kit and price come into it as well. Canon R6 and the 100-500 next choice but more $$’s and the 100-500 is as scarce as a Nikon firmware update.
 
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TonyDownunder said:
I’m just a bird lover that likes photographing them rather than the other way around. Just a walk around sort of photographer. But still like nice shots including BIF. Looking to step up from my Z50. I had pretty much decided on a Sony A7R iv with the 100-400 GM lens and a 1.4x tc. Should I wait a month for the A7 iv? Save AUD 600. Decision partly based on availability, but weight of kit and price come into it as well. Canon R6 and the 100-500 next choice but more $$’s and the 100-500 is as scarce as a Nikon firmware update.
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My opinion.

I think the Sony A7 4 has a far better AF system than the A7r4. A7 4 is cheaper but should be far better for your use case.

Also, DR & ISO performance on the Sony A7 4 should be better.

I would suggest the Sony 200-600 over the 100-400 with 1.4x tc for birding as it will give sharper results.

Canon R6 is a non BSI sensor & typical of a Canon sensor, IMO. The color noise performance on the R6 is bad, IMO. I used the R6 for a day. Also, I don't like Canon colour science.

I would skip the Canon if I were you, & buy the Sony A7 4.

Rolling shutter is not an issue on the Sony A7 4 when the mechanical shutter is used. 6 FPS at 14- bit raw is a tad low, but a better compromise as opposed to compromising for image quality.

P.S - "100-500 is as scarce as a Nikon firmware update' - That had me in splits. :D
 
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sid_19911991 said:
My opinion.

I think the Sony A7 4 has a far better AF system than A7r4. A7 4 is cheaper but should be far better for your use case.

Also, DR & ISO performance on Sony A7 4 should be better.

I would suggest the Sony 200-600 over the 100-400 with 1.4x tc for birding as it will give much sharper results.

Canon R6 is a non BSI sensor & typical of a Canon sensor, IMO. The colour noise performance on R6 is bad when I used it for a day. Also, I don't like Canon colour science.

I would skip the Canon if I were you, & buy the Sony A7 4.

Rolling shutter is not an issue in Sony A7 4 when mechanical shutter is used. 6 FPS at 14- bit raw is a tad low, but a better compromise rather compromising for image quality.

P.S - "100-500 is as scarce as a Nikon firmware update' - That had me in splits. :D
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Deep inside I was agreeing with you. Apart from the extra 500g with the 200-600 lens I don’t foresee buying other Sony lenses as for my photography the Z50 kit lenses and a couple of other Nikon lenses will see me right. From a few reviews it seems the 100-400 with the tc gives a bit better flexibility maybe. Also just saw an add for the Sony a9 for the same price as the a7r iv. Maybe a better option. In Australia they expect the 7 iv late November. Maybe I should be patient. Not a natural trait I’m afraid 😳
 
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