I know on DSLRs, I never use the VR on my 500 E when shooting over 1/500 because images are soft. However, do I still apply that to the Z9? Maybe VR works different?
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This topic seems to live in controversy. Let me assure you, 100% certain that VR sport on 500E with a shutter speed of 1/1000 or higher on a DSLR will give you soft images when compared to it being off. Im going to do some testing today I think on my Z9.With a 500E your images should not be soft with VR at any shutter speed. I have the 600E and it LIVES on sport mode.... I never shut it off. And yes you can shut off the ibis in the z9 its in the photo shooting menu unless your lens has Vr in which case the switch on the lens controls it.
If you find it makes a soft image send that puppy back to Nikon sounds like something is wrong me.This topic seems to live in controversy. Let me assure you, 100% certain that VR sport on 500E with a shutter speed of 1/1000 or higher on a DSLR will give you soft images when compared to it being off. Im going to do some testing today I think on my Z9.
The 500 PF is the outlier. I also had the 500 pf and never found any degradation with any shutter speed. And, because it's such a light lens and usually hand held I always kept VR on. Perhaps it's because of how short the lens is, and how short the VR rail is that it can keep up. But, without a shadow of a doubt, on the 500E, VR on fast shutter speeds will result I n many soft shots.I have never turned off the VR on my 500PF (or 200-500), may have to see if there is a difference. It very likely makes not improvement at shutter over 500th
After watching his recent live stream I am less a believer in Mr. Hogan than I was before. I suggest contacting Nikon and describing your scenario to them and see what they say. I have the big brother to your lens and it works flawlessly at any shutter speed with Vr on.
I don’t know what to tell you. I’m certain.After watching his recent live stream I am less a believer in Mr. Hogan than I was before. I suggest contacting Nikon and describing your scenario to them and see what they say. I have the big brother to your lens and it works flawlessly at any shutter speed with Vr on.
That's obviously in reference to tripod use and not in reference to shutter speeds. A general issue with shooting about a certain shutter speed would be said in no uncertain terms.Next to last sentence...... OFF may however produce better results in some cases depending on the type of tripod and on shooting conditions.
I don’t know what to tell you. I’m certain.
I tend to use mode 3 when I have it turned on while using a tripod. For faster shutter speed, I REALLY try to remember to just shut it off. I do seem to get better results.
It isn’t a calibration issue.Personally Id like to see an example from the people seeing a sharpness degradation. It should be easy enough to prove. Take a shot of a stationary subject with and without vr at high shutter speeds and show everyone. Its not that I doubt your experience its just that I think your lens VR system may need calibrated or something
precisely! However, I don’t find it hard to see the difference. Over 50% soft when using VR at 1/2000. Maybe if you are viewing images on a 1920x1080 monitor it doesn’t show, I don’t know.It’s not that easy to proof
Like I said the explanation Thom gives is a reasonable one.
Don’t forget you’re releasing the shutter at ‘A moment’ which travels at ‘a given speed’.
You’ll need the exact right (or wrong) timing to see the effect.
Problem is you will never be sure wether it was the result of this timing or your own fault.
Never the less knowing how VR works, knowing that shutterspeeds may be faster than the VRsystem clearly implies sharpness may be affected when using shutterspeeds beyond the speed of the VR system.
Nothing more nothing less!
Wether you see it or not isn’t the question, it’s purely a technical thing
Use that knowledge or don’t it won’t really affect your keeperrate in a noticeable way.
Internal Vr calibration... not a focus calibration. If its over 50% of the images are soft mount the camera on a tripod use a remote release, lock focus and shoot a test target. Any other method you are using to determine its the Vrs fault is questionable. If its as bad as you say you should only need to shoot a couple dozen shots to know for sure its not other factors. If I had a vr lens that shot half its images soft it would be going back to Nikon ASAP.It isn’t a calibration issue.
precisely! However, I don’t find it hard to see the difference. Over 50% soft when using VR at 1/2000. Maybe if you are viewing images on a 1920x1080 monitor it doesn’t show, I don’t know.
Thanks for the info on VR + IBIS!To answer a couple of these questions:
VR Shutter Speed - What works varies by outfit. The entire system, camera, lens, TC, even optional grips come into play. You may find that 1/1600th is just fine with your lens on one rig and not as great on a different body at that same speed. The quality of the lens also plays a role - I find the more I send for a lens, the less I have to worry about VR My 600 E and 500 PF are mostly fine at faster shutter speeds, but when I had the 200-500, I did notice it seemed more prone to VR-induced softness at higher speeds. Also, it's possible that even different "fast" shutter speeds over 1/500th ~ 1/1000th may have different impacts (I suspect this is true but haven't tested it).
Also, the problem with VR at faster shutter speeds is subtle. People expect it to be more binary than it is. In my experience, most of the time with higher end lenses, it's mostly fine at any speed - BUT - you may occasionally notice a drop in acuity in some shots. The trick is, it's not every shot and you have to ask yourself was is VR or something else? Where I notice the difference is that I simply seem to have fewer images showing a that slight occasional drop in acuity at faster speeds if VR is off. But again, the majority of the images are OK anyway.
How you're using the lens also comes into play - I find I almost never see a drop in acuity with static subjects, but when panning I see what I suspect is VR softness from time to time.
Bottom line is that I often have VR Sport on - and forget it's on - and still end up with plenty of sharp images. I mean, I try to remember to shut it off, but I often forget - probably because it's just not at the top of my list of critical things to worry about Also, it's important to test your rig at different speeds with VR on and off if you want to know for sure. Also, keep in mind that Nikon never says to turn VR off in any lens manual I've ever read, so they must think the issue is pretty minimal too.
VR + IBIS - This comes up a lot, but turning off IBIS / VR is actually straightforward. If the lens has a VR switch, VR and IBIS are controlled with that switch. If the lens doesn't have a switch, you turn it on and off in the menu. Also, they don't turn on and off independently.