Which raw editor with Sony a1 raw files and which color profile to get natural results.

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I hired a Sony a1 to compare against my Canon R5....... Tthe biggest issue i am finding is how to process the Sony raw images for natural but vibrant results. The greens for example seem incredibly over done in the raw images, and i have to work very hard indeed to get a natural looking final image compared to my R5 raw files.
Strangly, even shooting with the sony, the colours i got looking through the view finder seemed over saturated.

Can someone recommend a color profile in adobe camera raw that is a good starting point with the Sony raw files, or advise if there is something obvious i am missing.

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The X-rite Colorchecker Passport allows you to create colour profiles specific to the camera. I have several profiles for all of my cameras in different light and just select the one I want to match the shooting conditions.

If I switch to the Adobe default profile and back the difference is noticeable.
 
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dabhand16 said:
The X-rite Colorchecker Passport allows you to create colour profiles specific to the camera. I have several profiles for all of my cameras in different light and just select the one I want to match the shooting conditions.
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Thanks for the advise. I just bought one of these Colorchecker packages, so will start making profiles and hopefully that will resolve any issues.
 
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I'm curious if you've tried the Software Sony provides? I believe they call it Imaging Edge. Or have you tried the Camera matching profile in Lightroom? You get this by clicking the 4 square browse icon right side of the profile section. Third idea is the xrite color checker passport. That will give you true and standard colors which you could then adjust to your liking in Lightroom. Another reason for odd colors is overexposure to the point where one color channel gets blown in some bright areas of the image and Lightroom tries to extrapolate from the other 2 channels to recover, so in that case watch the blinkies.
 
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bleirer said:
Or have you tried the Camera matching profile in Lightroom? You get this by clicking the 4 square browse icon right side of the profile section. Third idea is the xrite color checker passport. That will give you true and standard colors which you could then adjust to your liking in Lightroom. Another reason for odd colors is overexposure to the point where one color channel gets blown in some bright areas of the image and Lightroom tries to extrapolate from the other 2 channels to recover, so in that case watch the blinkies.
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I think that an X-Rite custom profile will beat anything that Adobe has in LR.
 
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I think that an X-Rite custom profile will beat anything that Adobe has in LR.
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Response to color is subjective. Its all good because we like what we like and one is not better than another. Xrite is objective in the sense that the colors will come out as standard matches to the color patches, so the color is faithful to the world no matter which camera or software is used. Not everybody wants standard but its a good starting point that can then be tweaked if desired, but the appeal of a camera profile labeled faithful or vivid or landscape or fine detail is still subjective, we like what we like unless we have to get skin tones exactly the same shot to shot and camera to camera or the red in the product photo has to be the same red as the real product, etc.
 
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bleirer said:
Response to color is subjective. Its all good because we like what we like and one is not better than another. Xrite is objective in the sense that the colors will come out as standard matches to the color patches, so the color is faithful to the world no matter which camera or software is used. Not everybody wants standard but its a good starting point that can then be tweaked if desired, but the appeal of a camera profile labeled faithful or vivid or landscape or fine detail is still subjective, we like what we like unless we have to get skin tones exactly the same shot to shot and camera to camera or the red in the product photo has to be the same red as the real product, etc.
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Then you can add in that the majority of men are colour blind to some extent. That's why I use the Colorchecker Passport. I know that the colours are right. When I used to do mono conversions in PS using the channel mixer, people told me that I had a magenta cast, but I only saw a black and white image. Praise the lord for NIK Silver FX.

I've never used a camera colour profile.
 
I agree about the color checker passport, I rely on it as a Lightroom plugin when I use lightroom. My problem is that like to use Canon DPP4 as my raw converter, and can't figure out a way to use the passport with dpp4 since Canon uses a different suffix on the profile files. I've experimented with making my own Canon profile using their free software but that involves looking at the calibrated monitor and the physical card in good light and dialing in the colors by eye. Not reliable and not worth it unless it is a color critical product photo.

You got me curious about color blindness.

www.colourblindawareness.org

About Colour Blindness - Colour Blind Awareness

www.colourblindawareness.org www.colourblindawareness.org
 
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bleirer said:
I agree about the color checker passport, I rely on it as a Lightroom plugin when I use lightroom. My problem is that like to use Canon DPP4 as my raw converter, and can't figure out a way to use the passport with dpp4 since Canon uses a different suffix on the profile files. I've experimented with making my own Canon profile using their free software but that involves looking at the calibrated monitor and the physical card in good light and dialing in the colors by eye. Not reliable and not worth it unless it is a color critical product photo.

You got me curious about color blindness.

www.colourblindawareness.org

About Colour Blindness - Colour Blind Awareness

www.colourblindawareness.org www.colourblindawareness.org
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At this time the Colorchecker passport only works with LR or Capture One.

I read some time ago that 70% of men have colour blindness to some extent. Many never know. it is only if you happen to stumble into a situation where it reveals itself that you realise. That's what happened to me.

I use it - and Sliver FX for mono - so I know that my starting point is OK but I seldom touch anything to do with colour after that.
 
dabhand16 said:
At this time the Colorchecker passport only works with LR or Capture One.

I read some time ago that 70% of men have colour blindness to some extent. Many never know. it is only if you happen to stumble into a situation where it reveals itself that you realise. That's what happened to me.

I use it - and Sliver FX for mono - so I know that my starting point is OK but I seldom touch anything to do with colour after that.
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Looks like 8% according to the linked article.
 
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It was so long ago that I read the article (over 45 years) I have no recollection of the detail, only the figure. It might have been 70% of those who are colour blind are red/green colour blind like me maybe.
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I'm told that I remember things from 45 years ago that never even happened.
 
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