Why Bother with RAW

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I have never shot raw as I cannot see the point . I want JPEG for my customers so have always shot JPEG large basic . Tens of thousands of wedding photos with no problems.
So if I did shoot RAW ..process it and convert to JPEG what improvement would I see? From what I understand the NX conversion programme is in the Nikon so the job is done.
 
Raw is a lossless format of saving the image. It contains all the data that makes up the image, When shooting in jpeg mode, the camera is taking that information and deciding on what it believes is the information that should be saved and when it converts it to jpeg, all the "unnecessary data" is discarded. There is no real ability to go back and recover that detail, whereas with the raw image, you can post process it till your heart's content in a non-destructive way, using all the information and detail the camera actually captured. In the end, you can have a far superior jpeg/tiff/png image with the original still intact in case you ever want to change it because the customer doesn't like the colour or the sky, or wants you to remove those ugly pimples. :)
 
Read Steve's books and his, and many web related articles. Raw rules. I also shot jpeg from 2004 because I was convinced that it is OK. Until 2011, then raw and never look back. 16 bit vs 8 bit, much more detail, a negative vs a print basically, that is what you compare. And ACR just got so much better. But each one saddles his horse his own way. A very well known American photographer with a huge website following only shoots jpeg. So if you are happy, stick to what you have but I still kick my butt when I see once in a lifetime images I have shot in jpeg and I just cannot tweak it properly because of the missing data.
 
I have never shot raw as I cannot see the point . I want JPEG for my customers so have always shot JPEG large basic . Tens of thousands of wedding photos with no problems.
So if I did shoot RAW ..process it and convert to JPEG what improvement Ywould I see? From what I understand the NX conversion programme is in the Nikon so the job is done.
I know where you're coming from. I shot slides for years and the name of the game was getting the shot right in the camera. Then when I transitioned to DSLRs I shot JPEGs either due to the demands of volume shooting (e.g. wedding receptions, events, sports) or just because that's how I viewed photography.... get it right in the camera and be done with it.

But if you have the time to post process which I often do for wildlife and scenics and more general stock photography as opposed to timeline driven event photography there are some pretty big advantages to shooting raw. When you shoot raw some of the key camera settings like WB and sharpening are really just suggested settings to the raw converter and you can change your mind after the fact with no loss in quality. When you shoot jpeg those decisions are set the moment you release your shutter and though you can do clean up in post you've lost some information that you can't get back.

For example in situations like mixed lighting where WB is tricky (e.g. I've shot some hockey tournaments that were a nightmare for WB with various aging lights which changed color cast from one end of the ice to the other ) raw shooting can make life a lot easier (but a bit slower) and if you have a white/gray point in your photos (e.g. white helmets or white stripes on jerseys) then a quick eyedropper click with the WB tool in Lightroom or PS can nail the WB in seconds.

Shooting raw also adds some exposure flexibility as there's a bit more exposure latitude in the raw files than there is in processed jpegs. If your exposure was off by a bit, sometimes a stop or more you can often recover highlight detail and with modern high dynamic range sensors can often recover several stops of shadow detail while keeping image quality high. You don't get nearly that much adjustment range from jpegs processed in the camera.

I probably shoot raw about 90% of the time these days but when I do shoot an event that will generate an awful lot of images that I have to turn around fast I don't hesitate to shoot jpeg but then it's like the old days and I really have to make sure I get it right in the camera...
 
But you all miss the point ....if you turn it into jpeg at the end is that any better than doing it in camera ?
As @Calle posted above it's the difference between you making subtle or not so subtle raw conversion decisions and the camera's algorithms which know nothing about your subject matter and intent making those decisions. If you happen to make all the same processing decisions that the camera's built in raw converter would make then yes the images would be the same.

IOW, if you shoot raw and just bulk process everything to jpeg without altering any settings and using the camera set preferences then the images should be virtually identical.

I say 'virtually' because there are different raw converters on the market (e.g. LR/PS vs Capture One) and there's likely implementation differences in the low level math used during conversion vs the in camera processing chips so I wouldn't guarantee the two converted images will be bit perfect matches to one another.
 
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Well you are not convincing me ..show me a straight jpeg and a RAW to Jpeg thats better of the same image.
OK if you are doing some photo half in the shade and a half in the sunlight that's been processed maybe but I don't do photos like that. Are you saying RAW is good for recovering bad photos ?
 
Many enthusiasts purchase expensive gear which they don't need or will use to it's max performance potential, they also spend hours editing mediocre photos trying to make them into what they can never be ... why spoil the dream :coffee:
 
Well you are not convincing me
I don't think there's any need to convince anyone to shoot raw. If jpeg shooting is working for you (and it works perfectly for thousands of PJs and wedding/event/sports photographers) then there's no reason to change up anything in your workflow.

But if you run into tricky lighting situations and aren't happy with your results then know that raw shooting and doing your own conversions offers some extra tools for your kit. I don't buy into the idea that everybody needs to shoot any particular way including shooting only raw files. There's a reason the pro cameras offer so many options,.
 
A bad photo is still a bad photo, and RAW will not change bad to good. What RAW will do, however, is retain all subtle detail and every bit of digital information contained in the original image, which gives you more to work with in post processing. The resulting jpeg you would then produce will be that much better. It would be just about impossible to send you a digital image to compare a camera-produced jpeg to a post-processed RAW to jpeg that would mean anything, for this reason: the inherent low resolution of computer monitors. I've spent my entire career producing images for offset printing (magazines, posters, catalogues, trade show displays, etc.). In that world, we deal in PPI (pixels per inch). Quality offset printing requires a minimum image resolution 300 PPI at actual reproduction size. On an inexpensive monitor, you are viewing an image at as low as roughly 60 PPI. Even the highest quality 4K monitors are capable of only roughly 160 PPI. Thus, if your ultimate goal is offset print reproduction, or a sizeable enlargement to a photographic print, your monitor is simply not capable of showing you exactly what the final output will look like. Side-by-side comparison between two jpegs would reveal very little difference.

Over my career, countless times I've had clients send me small, low-resolution images (72 PPI) they've produced and asked me to work with them and enlarge them substantially for print reproduction. I tell them they will be very unhappy with the results, which they don't want to hear. "But it looks great on my computer screen," they say. And that is true, because they're viewing them at maybe 80 or 90 PPI at best. At the required ultimate 300 PPI output, such an image will pixellate horribly and a great amount of detail will be lost. You cannot increase the resolution of any image beyond what it was originally created at. Photoshop tells you you can, but all you are doing in that case is making an image unnecessarily large. It will not increase the quality one bit.

I have also been told, but cannot confirm, that every time a jpeg file is opened and "saved as" another jpeg, even more compression is applied and more quality is lost. That is why the first thing I do if a client sends me a jpeg is to save it as a tiff or PS file, which are lossless formats. I then work in those formats for retouching and enhancement. Final files sent to a printer are always tiffs. If the client requests a jpeg of the final, at least I know I have done all I can do to preserve as much quality as possible.

Bottom line: if you typically view your images on a monitor or even a television, or stick to relatively small photo prints, a jpeg file will work just fine, with the advantage of having a smaller file size. Don't change if that is working for you. If you're doing work for commercial printing, and/or huge enlargements, you need every possible pixel, detail and accuracy in the original that can be obtained; thus, my need to shoot in RAW.

Last but not least, many in-camera jpeg algorithms will also result in slight color shifts. For most images, that is not noticeable and not a worry. If I am working with a client that makes a blue product, however, and the blue shifts even slightly toward green, they are not going to be happy. Easier for me to start with an accurate original which saves me time in post processing.

I hope this lengthy diatribe is of some value.
 
But you all miss the point ....if you turn it into jpeg at the end is that any better than doing it in camera ?
My D850 can produce both RAW and jpeg images of a photo. I used this feature for a while to see which format consistently produced a good image. Many times the jpg photo looked better than the unprocessed Raw shot. But several times the Jepg image wasn't right, something would be off. I decided that, since I had the time, it was better to use RAW and adjust in the computer than to take just jpeg photos. Then when the photo had to be jpeg for posting on the web, it was easy to covert it. So, yes it is better to make your jpg photos with software in the computer and not just because the computer's software is better than that in your camera.
 
I totally agree that you can't turn a bad photo into a great image with RAW images. However, you can turn a RAW image into an interesting image that could not be achieved with a jpg. Point in question, consider these images of squabbling deer shot into a field strongly back-illuminated by sunlight creating extreme contrast. Unfortunately, I don't have an original in-camera jpg for comparison so the RAW image was auto processed in Capture One. The second image was manually processed with 7 layers in Capture One. Where one can justly argue that this approximation is not the same as a jpg generated the camera, the squabbling deer would still be horribly underexposed in a camera processed jpg, and there would be a significant loss of detail in the highlights. In the manually processed image, it was necessary to reduce the highlights in the field behind the squabbling deer so that the viewer could focus on the combatants. Shadow and highlight recovery is why you shoot in RAW. In wildlife photography, you have to seize the opportunity and sometimes it's under miserable conditions.


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The first opportunity I ever had to photograph an eagle was shot both in jpg and raw. The bald white head feathers were blown out. No detail. It wasnj't even a half stop but I was able to recover enough in raw to save it. the same can be said for a wedding dress. I'll shoot RAW and batch process to jpg if I have to.
 
I have never shot raw as I cannot see the point . I want JPEG for my customers so have always shot JPEG large basic . Tens of thousands of wedding photos with no problems.
So if I did shoot RAW ..process it and convert to JPEG what improvement would I see? From what I understand the NX conversion programme is in the Nikon so the job is done.
besides having more PP power out of RAW, the other major factor is the capacity to change WB, something you cannot do with a jpeg
 
With my limited knowledge of post processing I would just recommend that you take a photo in both RAW and JPEG and then attempt to edit them both. You will immediately see the advantages of RAW. I never took RAW photos until this year. I have my camera set to take both at the same time now. When I open a photo in a post processing app and attempt to correct it and it doesn’t respond to the change properly I know immediately that it is a JPEG that I inadvertently opened instead of the RAW.
 
The ability to adjust white balance, 'nuff said....lol
 
Well you can adjust white balance on a JPEG ..my wife pressed a wrong button and it was all blue at a wedding but was easily corrected. No not convinced just stay with the JPEG
 
For a lot of paid assignments I do shoot JPEG. There are a lot of reasons to do so, and in very high ISO conditions, I think the camera does a better job (so do my editors). Set the custom white balance, expose right, compose as good as possible and deliver is my goal in those situations.

JPEG is one way to shoot. RAW is another. Depending on the situation, I will make a choice. If I am working to get the RAW back just to how the JPEG looked, then it was a waste of time. But, RAW gives you control of the highlights and shadows which I love for landscapes.

To me, RAW isn't better, it does allow you to make some changes that JPEG won't that will show up in the jpeg the raw ends up rendering.

If JPEG work for you and your clients, you are good. There is no rule to follow, pick the right tools for the job. And, understand what the tools are to help you choose. Customers care about the end product, now how you created it. Photographers care about the process and hardware much more.
 
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