Will we get a new Z9 firmware soon?

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hrv

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Now that the Z8 has been released and it has a few features the Z9 does not have, most notably an additional subject detection option for planes, I wonder when we will get this feature in a new firmware release for the Z9.

Nikon is likely to have made overall improvements and further enhancements to subject detection, and I would assume they would add this to the Z9 as well.

Has anyone heard any rumours about an upcoming firmware release for the Z9?
 
Not that we need it but -- Yes we will get something to at least level up the Z9 to the Z8 -- perhaps this will also remove the pesky d3 custom setting menu item on the Z9, which was removed on the Z8 firmware 1.00.

Looks like it will be a busy few months over at Nikon with all the lens releases and new bodies to release, as well as firmware across the entire range to make folk happy !!! 🤟
 
IMO Nikon needs to throw a bone to us loyal Z9 owners by adding some spiffy new features ONLY for the Z9 to more clearly distinguish it from the Z8. Adding video precapture would be a killer feature, but I'm not holding my breath. :confused:
 
On one of the Z8 videos from Nikon they mentioned that they already had a Z8 FW update planned so I would hope and guess that once they release that they would also update Z9. Air show season is in full swing so that dedicated airplane tracking would be a nice add to Z9, although it does a fantastic job already in my opinion.
 
I expected to see it this week. You know the features on the Z8 that are not yet available on the Z9 should certainly work on the Z9. The software has essentially been completed in order for it so be available on the Z8, Nikon just did not want to steal any thunder from the Z8 release. I think in a week or two Nikon will start a promotion for the new Z9 firmware, something along the lines of "Z9, now even better!" We will have to wait and see.
 
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Not that we need it but -- Yes we will get something to at least level up the Z9 to the Z8 -- perhaps this will also remove the pesky d3 custom setting menu item on the Z9, which was removed on the Z8 firmware 1.00.

Looks like it will be a busy few months over at Nikon with all the lens releases and new bodies to release, as well as firmware across the entire range to make folk happy !!! 🤟
I agree we will see new firmware for the Z9, but I would be unhappy to see custom setting d3 disappear. What aspect about it do you find pesky?
 
I agree we will see new firmware for the Z9, but I would be unhappy to see custom setting d3 disappear. What aspect about it do you find pesky?

d3 - Limit release mode selection -- allows one to not use S, L, H, 30, 60 or 120 -- it is entirely pointless to have such a limit to every user I have ever worked with.

I am not remotely concerned this option was removed -- particularly as it is dangerous to need 120fps and have to go hunting in the Settings Menu to remove the restriction that limited options to not include 120fps. NON NON NON.

Take control of your camera and be professional -- even in the heat of battle.

On the Z9 one can either press a small button and turn a dial or set that dial to the multisection option and then one has to press a button and turn a command dial {or you can sacrifice one single Shooting Recall hold to change Release Mode/fps etc.... or selects this in the iMenu or Shooting Menu}.

On the Z8 one just presses the selection button and rotates a command dial or .......
 
What worries me more would be the role out of Tone Mode HLG/SDR for stills -- since this is not remotely supported by any software other than NX Studio and is deeply concerning if one accidently shitfs (or leaves) to HLG to discover one normal route to processing RAW files produces terrible results.

See the thread on HLG, Thom Hogans blog, or my blog entry on my website. AND the recently published Z8_Technical guide HLG (En)
 
d3 - Limit release mode selection -- allows one to not use S, L, H, 30, 60 or 120 -- it is entirely pointless to have such a limit to every user I have ever worked with.

I am not remotely concerned this option was removed -- particularly as it is dangerous to need 120fps and have to go hunting in the Settings Menu to remove the restriction that limited options to not include 120fps. NON NON NON.

Take control of your camera and be professional -- even in the heat of battle.

On the Z9 one can either press a small button and turn a dial or set that dial to the multisection option and then one has to press a button and turn a command dial {or you can sacrifice one single Shooting Recall hold to change Release Mode/fps etc.... or selects this in the iMenu or Shooting Menu}.

On the Z8 one just presses the selection button and rotates a command dial or .......
Thanks for the explanation. I knew I was missing something. Turns out I never knew of the
d3 - Limit release mode selection -- allows one to not use S, L, H, 30, 60 or 120 -- it is entirely pointless to have such a limit to every user I have ever worked with.

I am not remotely concerned this option was removed -- particularly as it is dangerous to need 120fps and have to go hunting in the Settings Menu to remove the restriction that limited options to not include 120fps. NON NON NON.

Take control of your camera and be professional -- even in the heat of battle.

On the Z9 one can either press a small button and turn a dial or set that dial to the multisection option and then one has to press a button and turn a command dial {or you can sacrifice one single Shooting Recall hold to change Release Mode/fps etc.... or selects this in the iMenu or Shooting Menu}.

On the Z8 one just presses the selection button and rotates a command dial or .......
Thanks for the explanation, Andy. I knew I was missing something. In the past, I’ve only used the quick release mode selection to toggle between 30/60120. Hadn’t considered the other release modes were selectable.
 
Now that the Z8 has been released and it has a few features the Z9 does not have, most notably an additional subject detection option for planes, I wonder when we will get this feature in a new firmware release for the Z9.

Nikon is likely to have made overall improvements and further enhancements to subject detection, and I would assume they would add this to the Z9 as well.

Has anyone heard any rumours about an upcoming firmware release for the Z9?
 
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Its amazing how things have come from a Box Brownie to what we have today, its great to soon get airplane tracking mode, don't know how we ever got by or survived without it, thank you Nikon.

I could never focus on and take a money shot of a air plane with the D850, D6, D4s, D3X, D3S, D3, D700, D300, using a 300 2.8, 600 f4, 70-200.
Will need to ask Moose Peterson how he got by...........

Only an opinion
 
Mmmm about a month ago pretty much everyone was happy with their Z9’s, since the release of the Z8 there is constant whining about updating the Z9 firmware to make it more like the Z8 or better so their Z9 is clearly superior again.
You paid your money for the features that were on offer and for the ongoing SUPPORT, but now you want something new for nothing.
Nikon, and the others aren’t in the charity business, they might move to a model where you purchase firmware updates with new features or pay a subscription to unlock some features.
A lot of prestige cars manufacturers are doing that right now. Want the heated seats, pay to unlock.... etc.
 
When I downloaded the HLG codec for NX Studio, you have to enter the serial number of your camera to download it. When you start that step, you have to first select your camera model and the options listed for selection are the Z8 AND the Z9. I think we can safely call that a clue! :)

Hi -- HLG appears to work in NX studio 1.4.0 for macOS on Venturer 13.4 -- I am not sure what the codec is -- was this a Windows thing?

AND HEIF/HLG files are visible on my Monitors as well.

It appears that Sony and Lumix shooters have had access to HLG and BT.2020 for video for some time. Perhaps there are lessons Sony and Lumix shooters can share with us poor overwhelmed Nikon Shooters. [other than waiting for software houses to catch up]

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Mmmm about a month ago pretty much everyone was happy with their Z9’s, since the release of the Z8 there is constant whining about updating the Z9 firmware to make it more like the Z8 or better so their Z9 is clearly superior again.
You paid your money for the features that were on offer and for the ongoing SUPPORT, but now you want something new for nothing.
Nikon, and the others aren’t in the charity business, they might move to a model where you purchase firmware updates with new features or pay a subscription to unlock some features.
A lot of prestige cars manufacturers are doing that right now. Want the heated seats, pay to unlock.... etc.

You don't understand the business. Updates are for new buyers who compare the latest features vs. the alternatives. The benefits to current owners are incidental. They are doing it to maximize sales, not to do us any favors.
 
Steve, seems to me that you've really overstated the current dialog regarding Z9 firmware and it's far less about the Z9 having some firmware oriented superiority than keeping the operational characteristics of the Z9 and Z8 as similar as the hardware permits. You want some real whining, go talk to a Z7/Z6 user!

Furthermore, Nikon themselves have said publicly and shown through their actions that they consider the upgradability of the current cameras via firmware to be a feature that they will continually make use of...to the extent that the systems have the overhead internally to support any features/capabilities they may wish to add.

If other manufacturers adopt a subscription or fee based model for firmware upgrades, other than obvious bug fixes, and Nikon continues the way they have been since they got into mirrorless, that will be a not inconsequential marketing advantage.

Cheers!
 
When buying a camera you are buying what exists at the point of purchase, but also the prospect of future updates. While there is no guarantee of updates, there is a reasonable expectation. It would be a commercial blunder for a camera company to say that the only way to enjoy updates would be to buy a new camera.
 
Hi -- HLG appears to work in NX studio 1.4.0 for macOS on Venturer 13.4 -- I am not sure what the codec is -- was this a Windows thing?

AND HEIF/HLG files are visible on my Monitors as well.

It appears that Sony and Lumix shooters have had access to HLG and BT.2020 for video for some time. Perhaps there are lessons Sony and Lumix shooters can share with us poor overwhelmed Nikon Shooters. [other than waiting for software houses to catch up]

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Andy, I suspect that the codec download is geared towards Windows users...I don't recall seeing a branch in the process for Mac users.

The Z9 and Z8 can shoot video in HLG and then in post transform the files into HDR output in BT.2020 color space instead of BT.709 as we would normally do. Here is a link to a short video primer on the subject. I've found Nikon Asia turns out some clear and concise videos on these sorts of things. Nikon USA could take a cue here...btw.

 
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I haven't read anyone questioning this as whining. It is an honest question being asked. Its not like people are complaining that the Z9 doesn't have two USB-C ports. The internals of both camera and I honestly think it would be in Nikon's best interest to keep them both close from a firmware perspective to no completely kill off the Z9 sales.
 
Steve, seems to me that you've really overstated the current dialog regarding Z9 firmware and it's far less about the Z9 having some firmware oriented superiority than keeping the operational characteristics of the Z9 and Z8 as similar as the hardware permits. You want some real whining, go talk to a Z7/Z6 user!

Furthermore, Nikon themselves have said publicly and shown through their actions that they consider the upgradability of the current cameras via firmware to be a feature that they will continually make use of...to the extent that the systems have the overhead internally to support any features/capabilities they may wish to add.

If other manufacturers adopt a subscription or fee based model for firmware upgrades, other than obvious bug fixes, and Nikon continues the way they have been since they got into mirrorless, that will be a not inconsequential marketing advantage.

Cheers!
There is no way that companies will do favors or something for free ..............for very long, regardless of what they say, now, its slowly slowly catch the monkey.

Nikon often comes from behind ie: mirror less cameras, and lets its competition often test the waters first, they let others spend money on R and D then follow on, its cheaper, they even have admitted this.

They usually follow for good reasons, the Z9 was a perfect example and for us extremely painful and disgraceful as was the initial Z6 Z7, all thrown into the field and developed from there, what a disgraceful unprofessional experience, it took over a year to get the z9 closer to the competition, the Z6-7 series is obsolete based on the Z8 specs.

These new cameras will be more like phones, more regular releases and more expensive with greater obsolescence.

The industry is an alliance, one industry, like 3 major departments but collectively its dominance is in unity. They leapfrog each other not destroy each other.

Certain upgrades in mirror less cameras even possibly some lenses will be in the near future you pay for advancements with upgrades, but not bug fixes.

I strongly believe that the Z9 needs to have some advancement to widen the gap from the Z8...........if its not forthcoming in the current Z9 then that tells me the differentiation will come from a Z9 II already poised for release if and when the Z8 has pipe-lined, why, because the A1 II or R1 is looming..........i feel the Z9II will come sooner than later.

Nikon and Canon feed us bread and water for decades, till Sony became a game changer paving the way forward for others to follow, and others did.

Only an opinion
 
Andy, I suspect that the codec download is geared towards Windows users...I don't recall seeing a branch in the process for Mac users.

The Z9 and Z8 can shoot video in HLG and then in post transform the files into HDR output in BT.2020 color space instead of BT.709 as we would normally do. Here is a link to a short video primer on the subject. I've found Nikon Asia turns out some clear and concise videos on these sorts of things. Nikon USA could take a cue here...btw.

Amazing, video is getting more important as stills as we know them move into the back of the bus, so much for photography.
The internet is demanding video, the camera industry is transitioning.
Wait till you see what PAK MAN i mean Apple is coming up with soon.

Only an opinion
 
There is no way that companies will do favors or something for free ..............for very long, regardless of what they say, now, its slowly slowly catch the monkey.

Nikon often comes from behind ie: mirror less cameras, and lets its competition often test the waters first, they let others spend money on R and D then follow on, its cheaper, they even have admitted this.

They usually follow for good reasons, the Z9 was a perfect example and for us extremely painful and disgraceful as was the initial Z6 Z7, all thrown into the field and developed from there, what a disgraceful unprofessional experience, it took over a year to get the z9 closer to the competition, the Z6-7 series is obsolete based on the Z8 specs.

These new cameras will be more like phones, more regular releases and more expensive with greater obsolescence.

The industry is an alliance, one industry, like 3 major departments but collectively its dominance is in unity. They leapfrog each other not destroy each other.

Certain upgrades in mirror less cameras even possibly some lenses will be in the near future you pay for advancements with upgrades, but not bug fixes.

I strongly believe that the Z9 needs to have some advancement to widen the gap from the Z8...........if its not forthcoming in the current Z9 then that tells me the differentiation will come from a Z9 II already poised for release if and when the Z8 has pipe-lined, why, because the A1 II or R1 is looming..........i feel the Z9II will come sooner than later.

Nikon and Canon feed us bread and water for decades, till Sony became a game changer paving the way forward for others to follow, and others did.

Only an opinion
A rather cynical view on your part "O"...time will tell, so let's revisit this in a year or so and see where we are.

As for the way the Z9 was rolled out, what would you have preferred, they wait 6-9 months to complete the software development to the level of Ver 3.1 and then release the product or get it out there, get some sales going, learn where they made wrong assumptions and react to customer feedback, etc? I'll take the latter option every time...it serves me and it serves the company. Yeah, that makes us beta testers, in a sense, but so what...at least with a more software based technology, you're not as locked into the dedicated hardware of previous technology.

I'm not sure how the new technology points towards greater obsolescence if the camera does what you need it to do...especially when Nikon chose to delete the mechanical shutter. And, it will always be far less expensive to pay for a software upgrade than buy a whole new camera, no? You can't blame obsolescence on the companies unless they disable a product after a period of time.

As for your cell phone analogy, I waited 3 generations from iPhone 4 to 7 and then 5 generations from 7 to 12, which is what I'm still using...might upgrade when we get to 16 or 17...or not. That's mostly on the user, though at some point the IOS evolves to the point that many apps adopt new features that require the new iOS and it wont' run on older devices...progress, I guess, but it's a give and take that is part and parcel of technology.
 
Amazing, video is getting more important as stills as we know them move into the back of the bus, so much for photography.
The internet is demanding video, the camera industry is transitioning.
Wait till you see what PAK MAN i mean Apple is coming up with soon.

Only an opinion
Very true and it's what pushed me over the edge to finally make the transition from DSLR to mirrorless when the Z9 appeared. With the capability in the cell phones now for not only HDR video, but essentially HDR stills, it's a matter of time until true HDR stills will be a thing that people will come to appreciate on their HDR TV's at home. It's going to take a while, but it will come. If you think about the look of well-produced 4K, HDR video content on say a 65"-85" OLED display, or even the QLED displays, you can produce and display some stunning still imagery that you have no other technology option to achieve. That has the potential to add a new dimension to still photography for advertising, entertainment, art, etc.
 
Mmmm about a month ago pretty much everyone was happy with their Z9’s, since the release of the Z8 there is constant whining about updating the Z9 firmware to make it more like the Z8 or better so their Z9 is clearly superior again.
You paid your money for the features that were on offer and for the ongoing SUPPORT, but now you want something new for nothing.
Nikon, and the others aren’t in the charity business, they might move to a model where you purchase firmware updates with new features or pay a subscription to unlock some features.
A lot of prestige cars manufacturers are doing that right now. Want the heated seats, pay to unlock.... etc.
You are right that some car manufacturers and motorcycle manufacturers have offered pay to unlock features but when you look at the consumer response to this it tends to be very negative overall. The reason being the car customers bought already has heated seats and now they want even more money to be able to use them, hardware they already paid for when they bought the car. Enabling software that uses a licensed codec is one thing, but charging to enable physical hardware you already paid for is another. I don‘t think we will see this practice last long. Another thing that makes this difficult from a purely software perspective is that you now add additional overhead of supporting multiple firmwares versions with different features that each require testing for bugs. In some cases, like enabling RAW codecs where you need to send in the device to enable and pay additional fees, it doesn’t add a lot in terms of overhead but what is the customer experience like? Most would say having to send in a device is a negative. If you look at mobile phones, which are also heavily software driven, you generally get updates including supported new features free each year until the device is considered obsolete by the manufacturer. Regarding the camera industry which is much smaller, do you think they would sell enough slight variations of each camera with modest improvements to outweigh the development and support costs or does it make more sense to offer improvements to existing models to help keep them fresh, continue to sell them and maximize profits using existing hardware, keeping them up to date. The other option is to fragment the firmware, possibly making it impossible to support or releasing a new model to enable a basic feature, neither are great for customer satisfaction. I’m sure the manufacturers have looked at the cost benefit of different models and are trying to use what they think will work best.
 
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