Z9 Performance with Existing Glass

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I have "semi-moved" to the Sony A1 and 600mm f/4. However, I have kept all of my Nikon gear in the hopes that the Z9 will be all that the present A1 is, including animal and bird eye focus. The D850 and 500mm pf lens is a combination that is powerful for me (at least in good light). And I really like the Nikon 500mm f/4 and D6.

However, what is not clear to me and it's critical -- will my native existing Nikon glass operate on the Z9 (presumably with an adapter) without any degradation to the Z9 performance (AF, tracking, eye focus, etc)?

If the answer is no, then I would need to purchase new glass when the z9 arrives and that means there is no need for me to hold on to my current equipment AT ALL if I plan to shoot mirrorless. Is the thought that the existing Nikon glass will work without degradation on the Z9?
 
Hurry up Nikon Z9...... I don’t know if it’s just me but the endless speculation about performance is slowly driving me nuts.........
When it comes out we’ll get the answers, some will, be excited and others disappointed, that’s the nature of any new product. I’ve never seen an iPhone that appeased everyone.
 
I have "semi-moved" to the Sony A1 and 600mm f/4. However, I have kept all of my Nikon gear in the hopes that the Z9 will be all that the present A1 is, including animal and bird eye focus. The D850 and 500mm pf lens is a combination that is powerful for me (at least in good light). And I really like the Nikon 500mm f/4 and D6.

However, what is not clear to me and it's critical -- will my native existing Nikon glass operate on the Z9 (presumably with an adapter) without any degradation to the Z9 performance (AF, tracking, eye focus, etc)?

If the answer is no, then I would need to purchase new glass when the z9 arrives and that means there is no need for me to hold on to my current equipment AT ALL if I plan to shoot mirrorless. Is the thought that the existing Nikon glass will work without degradation on the Z9?
Based on using my 500PF on the Z7II…I would expect the AF accuracy to be the same as well as eye AF and frame rate. It will AF a little more slowly as Steve’s video showed than on an F mount body…and he is correct in his experiment as to the actual numbers. However…from a practical standpoint I haven’t found it to be any problem at all…I did not measure but it’s essentially comparable to AF speed on the D7500. I do keep the focus distance limiter engaged unless I need a closer range shot though…but performance is plenty fine for me and I haven’t noticed any difference that matters.
 
Based on using my 500PF on the Z7II…I would expect the AF accuracy to be the same as well as eye AF and frame rate. It will AF a little more slowly as Steve’s video showed than on an F mount body…and he is correct in his experiment as to the actual numbers. However…from a practical standpoint I haven’t found it to be any problem at all…I did not measure but it’s essentially comparable to AF speed on the D7500. I do keep the focus distance limiter engaged unless I need a closer range shot though…but performance is plenty fine for me and I haven’t noticed any difference that matters.
When comparing to Canon and Sony tracking any slower is a huge deal, since those are essentially instantaneous. If the lens is lagging behind that would make it not worth the money. Honestly I just don't see how track would work if there is lag on AF??? Maybe I am not looking at it right.
 
Hurry up Nikon Z9...... I don’t know if it’s just me but the endless speculation about performance is slowly driving me nuts.........
When it comes out we’ll get the answers, some will, be excited and others disappointed, that’s the nature of any new product. I’ve never seen an iPhone that appeased everyone.
The chip shortage is real!
 
I have "semi-moved" to the Sony A1 and 600mm f/4. However, I have kept all of my Nikon gear in the hopes that the Z9 will be all that the present A1 is, including animal and bird eye focus. The D850 and 500mm pf lens is a combination that is powerful for me (at least in good light). And I really like the Nikon 500mm f/4 and D6.

However, what is not clear to me and it's critical -- will my native existing Nikon glass operate on the Z9 (presumably with an adapter) without any degradation to the Z9 performance (AF, tracking, eye focus, etc)?

If the answer is no, then I would need to purchase new glass when the z9 arrives and that means there is no need for me to hold on to my current equipment AT ALL if I plan to shoot mirrorless. Is the thought that the existing Nikon glass will work without degradation on the Z9?
My f mount lenses all work great with the FtZ on my Z6, fwiw.
 
I have "semi-moved" to the Sony A1 and 600mm f/4. However, I have kept all of my Nikon gear in the hopes that the Z9 will be all that the present A1 is, including animal and bird eye focus. The D850 and 500mm pf lens is a combination that is powerful for me (at least in good light). And I really like the Nikon 500mm f/4 and D6.

However, what is not clear to me and it's critical -- will my native existing Nikon glass operate on the Z9 (presumably with an adapter) without any degradation to the Z9 performance (AF, tracking, eye focus, etc)?

If the answer is no, then I would need to purchase new glass when the z9 arrives and that means there is no need for me to hold on to my current equipment AT ALL if I plan to shoot mirrorless. Is the thought that the existing Nikon glass will work without degradation on the Z9?

If you have good glass that is fast focusing on a DSLR, it's more accurate and fast focusing on a new Z camera. Contrast and light levels can make a difference - a poor AF target can slow focus. Pre-focusing can be useful because the camera requires contrast to focus, and if the starting point is completely out of focus, it may lead to hunting or the camera struggling to figure out your intended subject.

Plan to buy at least one Z lens to understand the system. Other purchases can be at your own pace as you evaluate your needs and just buy to replace weak lenses or provide a specific solution. Over time I'd think about keeping current generation lenses but replacing prior generation and older lenses unless you have a good reason.
 
You might want to consider this recent take by Thom Hogan, who's about as knowledgable and balanced an analyst of these things as you'll find. As he notes, the answers are neither clear nor straightforward. I'm inserting his text so people can read without chasing links (I'd encourage reading the whole thing though, to get context):

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Reader: "It seems these days that the feature du jour for mirrorless cameras is the autofocus system; how good will it track the eyes of a person, a wild animal, or the pet dog. Of course Sony and Canon mirrorless AF systems are out performing Nikon right now, and it seems long-time Nikon action-shooters have been abandoning ship. This is worrisome.

Why is it so hard for Nikon to come up with mirrorless AF performance similar to Sony or Canon? Why can't Nikon take the "guts" out of their successful D4/D5/D6 AF modules and repackage it to fit into a mirrorless camera? Easy-peasy, right?!"


Thom: Let's start with the latter, first. DSLRs have an advantage over mirrorless cameras in that they have dedicated AF hardware (sensors) that are large, multi-directional, and fast. But that part sits behind two mirrors. There's no way to use it in a mirrorless camera.

So let's get to your first paragraph. I don't particularly agree with your contention. As I'll continue to write, Nikon's Z System autofocus is quite good, and many will find it better than their DSLRs. In the firmware updates and the II models Nikon brought the system pretty close to state-of-the-art, and arguably as good as the current Sony A7 Mark III, for example. So what's wrong is not the autofocus system, it's the messaging. All the YouTube and influencer exclamations exalting Sony's focus is out-weighing the reality.
Moreover, there's apples versus oranges confusion going on all the time in the Interweb's various proclamations. The Sony A1, for example, is indeed really good, about as good as my Nikon D6. But the Sony A7 Mark III is an older camera and not nearly as good. While that model seems to autofocus fast it often doesn't do so precisely when tracking moving objects. Does Sony get dinged for that? No. But Nikon, who matches or exceeds it, does.

Are there things I want to see Nikon improve? Absolutely. Are they being out-performed in any truly meaningful way for most of the camera users? No. I suspect that we'll see another wave of some sort of shouting about autofocus when the Z9 launches. Hard to predict whether all the incentivized influencers will try to say that Nikon failed or whether they'll suddenly be shouting hallelujahs. We'll see. But as always, I prefer learning and testing before saying anything. I'll once again point out that even in late 2018 and early 2019 without the firmware updates to the original cameras I was able to get great sports and wildlife results from the original Z6 and Z7 and firmware when everyone else was telling me that my camera would fail miserably at that.

That other photographers couldn't seem to get their Nikon Z cameras to focus for them says more about those photographers and how much energy they put into learning a new system more than failure on Nikon's part. Again, though, are there things Nikon can improve that would make me happier? Absolutely, and I've been repeatedly vocal about what they are.

Sep 3, 2021

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When comparing to Canon and Sony tracking any slower is a huge deal, since those are essentially instantaneous. If the lens is lagging behind that would make it not worth the money. Honestly I just don't see how track would work if there is lag on AF??? Maybe I am not looking at it right.
I can’t really comment on Sony or Canon other than that I don’t like Sony menu system but that might be because I use amend am used to Niko’s. I was just addressing whether I thought the 500PF on a Z9 would lose anything and given my experience with using it on a DSLR and Z7II I don’t see any…i didn’t mention tracking focus in my previous but I’ve not seen any difference with it on the Z7Ii. I haven’t used a Canon since my F1 and EF SLRs back in the 70s.
 
HA! Well, clearly Sony (a chip manufacturer) is not delivering them to Nikon; and why would they in a the competitive camera space during a severe supply shortage environment. LOL
I don't think they are using Sony now. Maybe we have identified the problem. 😬

 
I can’t really comment on Sony or Canon other than that I don’t like Sony menu system but that might be because I use amend am used to Niko’s. I was just addressing whether I thought the 500PF on a Z9 would lose anything and given my experience with using it on a DSLR and Z7II I don’t see any…i didn’t mention tracking focus in my previous but I’ve not seen any difference with it on the Z7Ii. I haven’t used a Canon since my F1 and EF SLRs back in the 70s.
Yeah we will all just have to wait and see how it performs. I hope it does well.
 
Thom also has several ideas related to enhancing the performance of existing F-mount lenses on Z-mount cameras. One of his ideas, since the adapter is an extra mount and ‘slightly clumsy’ (Thom’s words), is to do an F- to Z-mount conversion for a select list of exotic lenses, including your 500 f/4 btw.

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/how-to-make-nikon-users.html

Thom reckons the cost at U.S. $500-1,000. per lens.

https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/responses-to-lens-tyranny.html

Fortunately, you’re in exactly the position to discern the difference between the Nikon D6 and 500 f/4, as compared to the Sony a1 and 600 f/4. If you feel you don’t need the finer AF adjustments at 30fps, you will likely be happy with the 500 f/4 performance on the Z9 through the FTZ(2?). I believe meeting or exceeding D6 performance is one of the Z9 goals. This may be where the limits lie, who knows at this point. There will be limits to the next gen FTZ(2?) adapter. Will there be limits to Thom’s proposed F- to Z-mount conversion too? Even if Nikon decided to take a ‘conversion’ approach, I would think it would be difficult to add another camera to lens communications path as in the Z lenses, but really have no idea. We won’t know the capabilities available until the Z9 has landed and these questions are tested – so I’m hanging onto my favorite Nikkor glass in the meantime.
 
Based on using my 500PF on the Z7II…I would expect the AF accuracy to be the same as well as eye AF and frame rate. It will AF a little more slowly as Steve’s video showed than on an F mount body…and he is correct in his experiment as to the actual numbers. However…from a practical standpoint I haven’t found it to be any problem at all…I did not measure but it’s essentially comparable to AF speed on the D7500. I do keep the focus distance limiter engaged unless I need a closer range shot though…but performance is plenty fine for me and I haven’t noticed any difference that matters.
For me, if I am going to go to the Nikon mirrorless system, I don't want the Z9 with my F-mount $10000 500mm f/4 to be one iota slower in AF than the z-mount lens( I realize there isn't a z mount 500mm f/4 yet). But, if I'm going to keep the Nikon glass I don't want it to be subpar to the existing Sony....else, the clear path for me would be to sell all Nikon and finish moving "all-in" on Sony.
My thought was....hey, if the f-mount lenses on a z9 is just as good or better than the mount lenses on the Sony, then I'll stick with my Nikon glass (mainly because I really like the 500 pf). If the f-mount lenses on a z-9 are just about as good as the existing sony....almost as good....then I think I will move completely to Sony.
 
When comparing to Canon and Sony tracking any slower is a huge deal, since those are essentially instantaneous. If the lens is lagging behind that would make it not worth the money. Honestly I just don't see how track would work if there is lag on AF??? Maybe I am not looking at it right.
I agree....if I'm spending these dollars on the prime f/4 glass I don't want it to be "almost as good" as the sony.
 
If you have good glass that is fast focusing on a DSLR, it's more accurate and fast focusing on a new Z camera. Contrast and light levels can make a difference - a poor AF target can slow focus. Pre-focusing can be useful because the camera requires contrast to focus, and if the starting point is completely out of focus, it may lead to hunting or the camera struggling to figure out your intended subject.

Plan to buy at least one Z lens to understand the system. Other purchases can be at your own pace as you evaluate your needs and just buy to replace weak lenses or provide a specific solution. Over time I'd think about keeping current generation lenses but replacing prior generation and older lenses unless you have a good reason.
So is the thought then that the existing f-mount Nikon 500mm f/4 will AF just as well (or as you suggest maybe faster) on the z9 than it did on my D6/D850?
 
Thom also has several ideas related to enhancing the performance of existing F-mount lenses on Z-mount cameras. One of his ideas, since the adapter is an extra mount and ‘slightly clumsy’ (Thom’s words), is to do an F- to Z-mount conversion for a select list of exotic lenses, including your 500 f/4 btw.

https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/how-to-make-nikon-users.html

Thom reckons the cost at U.S. $500-1,000. per lens.

https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/responses-to-lens-tyranny.html

Fortunately, you’re in exactly the position to discern the difference between the Nikon D6 and 500 f/4, as compared to the Sony a1 and 600 f/4. If you feel you don’t need the finer AF adjustments at 30fps, you will likely be happy with the 500 f/4 performance on the Z9 through the FTZ(2?). I believe meeting or exceeding D6 performance is one of the Z9 goals. This may be where the limits lie, who knows at this point. There will be limits to the next gen FTZ(2?) adapter. Will there be limits to Thom’s proposed F- to Z-mount conversion too? Even if Nikon decided to take a ‘conversion’ approach, I would think it would be difficult to add another camera to lens communications path as in the Z lenses, but really have no idea. We won’t know the capabilities available until the Z9 has landed and these questions are tested – so I’m hanging onto my favorite Nikkor glass in the meantime.
Yes, I completely agree. 100%. If I can get the same (or better) AF/tracking on a z9 with my 500 f/4 as I'm getting on my D6, and in addition I get all over AF points and bird eye focus and a faster frame rate (than the D6)....then I can just stick with the Nikon and sell my A1 and 600mm. That way I can keep my beloved 500 pf. I will lose very little as the Sony equipment is so difficult to find that I could see my Sony A1 + 600 f/4 for probably 95% of my new price. It's easy for me to evaluate the D6 and 500mm f/4 compared to the A1 600mm f/4....but right now the mirrorless brings so much more to the table that it's not a fair comparison. Steve's video on mirrorless advantages / disadvantage says it all. So, if I can get my Nikon glass to work as well on a Z9 as it does on my D6 AND I get all the mirrorless advantages .....then I'm a happy camper.
 
Rumors say there's a new FTZ2 adapter in the works. Hopefully it will optimize performance as well as any issue with the builtin foot on the original.
Yes - if there is a FTZ2 that lets existing glass work flawlessly on the Z9....then that's the sweet spot. I'm pretty sure none of this is lost on Nikon. They realize that the Z9 has to be competitive with the A1 and the Canon mirrorless. One of the big plus factors of sticking with Nikon is all of their glass. Sony took forever to come out with the 600mm f/4 and still has a significantly more limited set of lenses compared to Nikon. So, I'm SURE that Nikon realizes that if the Z9 is sub-par with the adapter and F-mount lenses, then they will lose many, many Nikon users who will say....if I have to move to new Nikon glass to compete with Sony I might as well BUY Sony.
 
I don't think they are using Sony now. Maybe we have identified the problem. 😬

Ah, intereresting. Thanks for that.
 
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