Z9 Teaser 2

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monu123

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Probably the most interesting shot from the video.
Couple of things to note:
- No more 30 minute record limit - 1h 50m for 8K30 (probably limited by memory card vs the camera itself)
- The lens looks like the upcoming 100-400? Doesn't look like 70-200 looking at the shape of the barrel.
- New card door locking mechanism

Looking forward to the next video!
 

Whiskeyman

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But why a 100-400? This is redundant with over 3/4s of the focal length of the 70-200...I understand that not everyone will own both lenses, but wouldn't Nikon like to sell that many?
 

jeffnles1

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I’m really interested in the 200-600 and then105mm macro and a 24-70. They already have he 105 and the 24-70. Better than 90% of my photos would be covered by these 3 lenses.
 

Whiskeyman

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I’m really interested in the 200-600 and then105mm macro and a 24-70. They already have he 105 and the 24-70. Better than 90% of my photos would be covered by these 3 lenses.
I wouldn't want to be without the 100-200 mm focal length range, so I'd have to include the 70-200mm in my stable of lenses.

When I did event photography for my local high school marching band, I used the 135-155 mm range a lot. Then again, with what little bit of shooting I'm doing now, that 600mm top end would be great!

This teaser does interest me more than the first one does. Can't wait for the pudding to be served so we can have the proof!
 

abc123brian

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my mommy taught me that teasing isn't nice.

IMHO teasers are what a company resorts to when they're late to the market and desperate to stop the desertion of their user base to competitors.
lol, I see teasers quite frequently in the automotive world. I enjoy them, but personally thought the first one was too slow paced. The teasers shouldn’t give away too much information, but should generate excitement. So far, I think they have done alright, but I think we are all waiting for something with fast action.
 

arbitrage

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my mommy taught me that teasing isn't nice.

IMHO teasers are what a company resorts to when they're late to the market and desperate to stop the desertion of their user base to competitors.
I agree. I really am coming to hate these teaser campaigns from both Nikon and Canon.

I guess my only positive thing to say about this Z9 teaser campaign is that at least this time Nikon isn't using videos about a previous model when teasing the new model....ala D5 for D6:rolleyes:
 

Woodyg3

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Control layout looks good, although I'm wondering where the exposure comp button is.
 

dtibbals

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Teasers are fun when you won’t be buying it :). Sony announced the new 70-200 I've been waiting for yesterday, preordered today first in line and Dec 16th it will be available.
 

HRB

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I’d like to see a teaser about firmware updates for the Zii’s! Wonder how long that will take once the Z9 is released?
 

ccirelli

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IMHO teasers are what a company resorts to when they're late to the market and desperate to stop the desertion of their user base to competitors.
It's a basic marketing strategy, designed to get people talking (clearly that's working well) and build anticipation. Two more weekly teaser vids coming and then they'll do the big reveal. The main thing is, the camera better deliver (and I believe the Z9 will).

A note on "late to market". I'll maintain that the Z9 is actually a first-to-market body when we take a step back and compare features / design / capabilities to others in its class. Does anyone else offer a 45 MP mirrorless body with an integrated grip, 2-axis tilt screen, and unlimited (or, only limited by card capacity) internal 8k video? And I'm sure I'm missing some other features that remain to be revealed.

Nikon does things on their own timeline, and I'm totally fine with that. :)(y)
 

Roxie

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Probably the most interesting shot from the video.
Couple of things to note:
- No more 30 minute record limit - 1h 50m for 8K30 (probably limited by memory card vs the camera itself)
- The lens looks like the upcoming 100-400? Doesn't look like 70-200 looking at the shape of the barrel.
- New card door locking mechanism

Looking forward to the next video!
Maybe the next video can have a picture of the Port of Los Angeles and the ship the cameras are on. Let's see: 1.) Get manufactured; 2.) Get it on a slow boat from China or wherever; 3.) Get into the Port of LA and wait off-shore; 4.) Get the containers off-loaded and stacked in the port; 5;) Find a truck driver and get the container loaded onto the truck, etc. May be better to wait for the Nikon Z9ii. By then supply chain may be moving a bit better.
 

ccirelli

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But why a 100-400? This is redundant with over 3/4s of the focal length of the 70-200...I understand that not everyone will own both lenses, but wouldn't Nikon like to sell that many?
The 100-400 won't be a 2.8 lens - to me, that puts the 70-200 2.8 in a very different category (despite the range overlap). I'm interested in the 100-400, but super interested in the 200-600 (especially given the 200-500's excellent reputation)
 

Doug Herr

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A note on "late to market". I'll maintain that the Z9 is actually a first-to-market body when we take a step back and compare features / design / capabilities to others in its class. Does anyone else offer a 45 MP mirrorless body with an integrated grip, 2-axis tilt screen, and unlimited (or, only limited by card capacity) internal 8k video? And I'm sure I'm missing some other features that remain to be revealed.

The 2-axis tilt screen looks nice, the integrated grip is a big no-no, and the Sony a1 does internal 8k video limited by card capacity (the Sony's 50MP is more than the z9's 45MP but it's not significant). Nothing ground-breaking so far, just catching up with the market.

 
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ccirelli

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the integrated grip is a big no-no
Subjective / integrated grip is an advantage to me and many folks. I also do appreciate the modularity & versatility of my Z6II + grip (same advantages for Sony & Canon).

Sony a1 does internal 8k video limited by card capacity
Heat. 20-40 minutes in 8k by some reports, in that smaller body. 8k isn't groundbreaking, but shooting 8k internally for that length of time - in a warm climate - is. The Z9's 2nd trailer wasn't shot in a hot / wildlife climate by accident - they were making a clear point about the Z9's endurance while running 8k.

And just to make sure everyone's cool (no pun intended :)), this is just a light discussion / not an argument. I admire all of these flagship bodies - they're all amazing - and they all offer some clear & unique advantages over one another.
 

Doug Herr

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Subjective / integrated grip is an advantage to me and many folks. I also do appreciate the modularity & versatility of my Z6II + grip (same advantages for Sony & Canon).


Heat. 20-40 minutes in 8k by some reports, in that smaller body. 8k isn't groundbreaking, but shooting 8k internally for that length of time - in a warm climate - is. The Z9's 2nd trailer wasn't shot in a hot / wildlife climate by accident - they were making a clear point about the Z9's endurance while running 8k.

And just to make sure everyone's cool (no pun intended :)), this is just a light discussion / not an argument. I admire all of these flagship bodies - they're all amazing - and they all offer some clear & unique advantages over one another.

The video I posted demonstrated the a1's 8k heat performance. at 70 F it ran 8k video recording internally continuously for hours. At 104 F it shut down after 69 minutes. Seems pretty good to me.
 
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fredheidepriem

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The 100-400 won't be a 2.8 lens - to me, that puts the 70-200 2.8 in a very different category (despite the range overlap). I'm interested in the 100-400, but super interested in the 200-600 (especially given the 200-500's excellent reputation)
If it has a fixed f stop it could be great. It could be a Zmount 180-400 and priced right out of most peoples reach like the original. Nikon’s lens prices are high as it is.
 

Woodyg3

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If it has a fixed f stop it could be great. It could be a Zmount 180-400 and priced right out of most peoples reach like the original. Nikon’s lens prices are high as it is.

Good glass costs a lot, regardless of manufacturer. Canon and Sony charge about the same as Nikon for their comparable lenses. That said, the 180-400 is a strange beast and certainly is a very expensive exotic kind of lens that I think needs to be put in its own special category.
 

O

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The Z9 promises to be a wonderful mind blowing camera, so we are always told, i certainly hope it is another D3 or D850 moment.

What rings my bell is 45mp and 30 fps ??? its certainly the do everything all in one camera but how long will that benefit last.

If you look at the D5 D6 at 20mp and the D850 at 45, now the Z9 is 45mp at 30 fps is it would be logical to assume there will be a 80 or 90 mp camera at say 10 or 12 fps.......?

I am not pessimistic and embrace tangible change, i am just cautious given the norm is..... new products have the need for usual bug fixes, often have inherent design flaws, missing some feature, follow up with rectification models each year effecting resale of the previous version, i don't think i want to be the first cab of the rank in wet weather, i would like to see sunnier conditions or see the fruit a little more ripe on the tree before picking.
Given the level of new developments i am waiting till late 2022 before reinvesting if at all I can fortunately afford to wait a little longer.

Availability issues, extortionate lens prices due to high demand low supply = patients.

To do full justice to a Z9 i feel good glass really is key.............yes of course any lens will do.

If 99% of what you do is wildlife sports action......the winds are more favorable to embrace tangible change at any cost.

Some questions.......for high user applications like sports action media etc, how many shutter actuation's ??? will a Z9/A1 do and how much is the cost of replacing the shutter/sensor, or is it just the sensor that has a use by date like mother boards do in a computer.

Given new cameras are doing 30 fps etc is there a potential issue for high user applications.

Ok, Fred is selling his Z9 with 75k actuation's, but he hasn't told you that he has done 5000 hours of time laps and video ??? ie: has the sensor started to ware out due to heat.....

Nikon claims a shutter life expectancy of 200 000 actuation's for its Z6 and Z7 mirror less cameras. Canon's EOS R is also rated for 200 000 actuation's, although the lower-priced EOS RP is rated for up to 100,000 cycles, according to available data. 1 DX III they say is good for 500,000 actuation s ?


Electronic shutter issues

Mirror less cameras with mechanical and electronic shutters tend to leave the mechanical shutter closed when the camera is turned off. To use the electronic shutter, the mechanical shutter must be opened at the beginning of the ‘session’ and closed at its end, which represents one complete cycle. This will happen when you record movies or use the ‘silent shutter’ setting.


When the shutter remains open for long periods of time the image sensor will often become quite warm. This will increase image noise in the resulting images and, with repeated prolonged exposures to light, the sensor can develop ‘dud’ pixels.


Although the latest cameras are designed to reduce the buildup of heat, they can’t eliminate it entirely. Many cameras still become warm to the touch following a few minutes of movie recording. Prolonged use of the electronic shutter will significantly reduce the life expectancy of the sensor, compared to using the mechanical shutter most of the time and therefore only exposing the sensor to light while actually recording an image.

Only a thought......prompting some questions, remember things often only get dearer and don't last as long in today's world................

As always Only an opinion

Oz down under
 
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