Well crap. So you’re saying I can’t spend my way to making excellent images?
Who’s buying the Sony a1MK2?
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RikWriter
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Damn, I wish I could afford that.
Mine is on order with my dealer - I'm looking forward to trying it out. 
BrianSmall
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Count me in enthusiastically..................so excited for this.
Steve,Mine is on order with my dealer - I'm looking forward to trying it out.
For pre-capture, what you will find is that a zoom works best to properly frame the image in order to get an image of action that fills most of the frame. In my view FWIW, the images you showed from the A9iii did not show the action large enough in the frame. You wouldn't want a lowly OM-1 shooter to be able to do this and you can't, eh?
Of course, you can always use a prime and be at exactly the right distance as the attached image which was taken with a 300f4. Of course,
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I was in a blind at Laguna Seca Ranch but isn't that cheating?Tom
PS: 50 f/s 1/3200 ProCapture OM-1 mk 1
Ltgk20
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I got my order in at B&H in the first minute. It seems like a mild upgrade, but as I think back on most subsequent bodies over the last 40 years of shooting, this one brings more significant improvements than most. Precapture alone opens the door to opportunities that are extremely difficult to capture without it. I also wonder if the firmware updates we saw on the a9 and Z9 will be regular things or if they're occurrences tied to specific circumstances (such as when the manufacture is trying to match something already out; in the case of the a9, Sony trying to bring mirrorless AF to parity or beyond with DSLRs, and with the Z9 Nikon trying to catch up to the a1 and R5).
With respect to upgrades, I moved from Minolta to Sony so for me it was Maxxum 7000 to 700si to Sony a100 to a700 to a99 to a99ii to a9ii to a1 and now to a1ii. The a1 to a1ii upgrade brings more to the table than most body to body upgrades I've experienced. For those in the Nikon or Canon camps, how big a leap was it from D3 to D3s to D4 to D4s to D5 to D6 or 1D to 1Dii...? Where the jumps bigger then or were we expecting we expect lightning to strike twice (as it did with the a1)?
With respect to upgrades, I moved from Minolta to Sony so for me it was Maxxum 7000 to 700si to Sony a100 to a700 to a99 to a99ii to a9ii to a1 and now to a1ii. The a1 to a1ii upgrade brings more to the table than most body to body upgrades I've experienced. For those in the Nikon or Canon camps, how big a leap was it from D3 to D3s to D4 to D4s to D5 to D6 or 1D to 1Dii...? Where the jumps bigger then or were we expecting we expect lightning to strike twice (as it did with the a1)?
No it’s not cheating.
One issue with OM’s pre capture is you have to set the limit of frames after you press the button. Sony doesn’t do this and it’s endless. Even if you hit the buffer it will continue to shoot just at a reduced frame rate until the buffer is cleared.
Chris K
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Careful going multi-system. After you get the second one, something breaks in your brain. I’m up to four now, and I‘m one Black Friday sale away from getting back into M43, too.
Great call outs. For some reason there is now an expectation that any new camera has to be much more advanced than the model it replaces, has to be tech we never thought of and should be cheaper and constantly upgraded for all new wow factor features. Yeah that’s not reality. I bought my truck 2 years ago, it gets over the air updates. It still does the same thing it did the day I bought it. 2 model years newer and only subtle changes compared to mine. It cost $74k and I didn’t buy it assuming it would keep getting more features each year. But in the camera world there is an unrealistic expectation.
I believe you buy a camera for what it is the day you buy it, not for what you hope it will be years later. This is setting yourself up for disappointment.
You can set the frames to unlimited and the Om-1 mk 2 will keep shooting at a reduced rate. However, the buffer is 200 frames @ 50 f/s so no big deal.
What the A1-2 has is 50mp which is a huge advantage. If I had a Sony A1-2 and a 600f4 @ Laguna Seca Ranch and that A1-2 could do 60 f/s AF I would have been in heaven!
Tom
Been there a few times and take my 600GM and my 400GM. I tend to use the 400GM more often now. I prefer more of a scene than just a close up.
Gene and I have spent hours talking about cameras and bottom line is m4/3 is pretty good in a controlled environment like Laguna but out in the real world the FF sensor and fast big primes really show their value.
I think all of us here if money was no object would have the full set from each of these systems in a room somewhere and a significant other just shaking there head as to "why".
Already there I have Pentax/Nikon/Sony/Fuji/Olympus cameras on my shelfCareful going multi-system. After you get the second one, something breaks in your brain. I’m up to four now, and I‘m one Black Friday sale away from getting back into M43, too.
RikWriter
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Oh my wife already does that with just one system.
We shall see how long Nikon carry's on. They raised the bar for firmware updates but whether they continue with it who knows. It does certainly make for happy customers though.
The tech advances may still continue. We don't know if the Z9ii will be like the A1ii and a milder update or something like a 45mp global sensor using RED tech which would certainly make a splash. I would expect they bought that company for a reason and we'll see a global shutter from then in the next few years, but at what size?
Computer software is constantly updated and refined so the camera company that adopts adding value that way is going to have a market advantage if they consistently stick with that model. Is it an expectation or a feature of a brand?
I'd argue these cameras will need better software teams than hardware in the years coming to distinguish themselves from the competition and that will mean firmware updates to keep ahead as they release hardware less often. It's a way to keep a model current and competitive as the years pass by. This is a serious market advantage as your customer knows they bought a camera that will keep pace in software as best the company can provide until the time when the hardware refresh happens, the same as buying a MacBook knowing you'll have future features to enhance the hardware, rather than it being frozen with what you bought.
Isn't this why we all have a dozen random camera bags? To hide the lens evidence?
I agree with you but remember unless they are charging for new features they will go out of business if they don’t release new lenses and cameras people want to buy. No different than a new iPhone each year and most people upgrade every 2-3 years. That fuels the beast. Selling someone a phone for example that gets new features via updates for free and people buy phones now every 10 years they will go out of business.
Bottom line is Nikon did a bunch of updates because they sold a camera before it was ready. Core functions of say raw 30fps and such they still don’t have that a 4 year old Sony did on launch day.
I would much rather know what I’m buying upfront and be happy with it than buy it hoping they give me updates to make it what I want or need.
Any new camera may make things easier, the same, or more difficult. The trend over time has been toward easier.
Still, cameras that were released five years ago are generally capable of producing images just as good as when it was introduced. In my opinion, as humble as it is, the big difference has been in the transition from DSLR to Mirrorless cameras, at least for most photographers.
Lenses, however, seem to me to be a different story.
"If ya' ain't cheatin', ya ain't trying hard enough!" - Old fighter pilot saying.
RikWriter
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Yeah, mirrorless was a real game changer for me. I started getting shots I never would have before.
abc123brian
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That depends if you assume they only sell the cameras initially at launch at volume or if by offering updates they continually sell the existing camera line at volume longer. A lot of expense goes into hardware and software development for new bodies where less goes into just software development to improve existing cameras. so if they can continue to sell a current model at a higher rate it may be more profitable than designing and marketing replacements continuously. New phones are released every year but so is a free new OS compatible with the old phone which adds features. Regarding Nikon releasing a camera before its ready, they also added things via firmware the just announced A1ii doesn’t have so that’s a weak argument.
Or hoping if they do release an update that it improves the camera instead of making it worse.
Will this swing your decision against the Nikon with built in TC? If it's as good as Sony says.Mine is on order with my dealer - I'm looking forward to trying it out.
A1ii with better AF/PREC/30FPS Or Z9/Z8 with built in TCs?
What's more important?
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You hit the nail on the head with that last statement! I don’t want my current A1 to have features added. I want the damn thing to be back to where it was before They screwed it up with a firmware update that they refuse to fix. Now I feel like I’m stuck with the stupid thing and can’t Honestly sell it to someone knowing it has issues.
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Dido!
Well Sonys answer to this is keep selling the old model and new model at the same time. They always drop the old model price around $1k. So they are doing this but also getting new sales which is creating much more revenue.