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I have been using western digital portable hard drives for my photo library for several years now and was wondering if there was a better system. Steve it would be nice to know what you are using at this time. I have found elephant drives unreliable and lately some of my images seem to be missing which could be a lightroom issue but just the same I would like to know if their is a better solution. I was considering the Drobo 5D3 direct attachment storage solution does anyone have any thoughts they would like to share.
Thank You in advance
Ray
 
The Drobo 5d3 looks good, it’s like a portable NAS but it’s more expensive than my recent computer upgrade.
I use an I9 with 2x 1TB SSD’s and two Seagate 4TB HDD’s in raid 1 configuration.
If I’m away I back up from laptop to Samsung T5 or T7 portable SSD until I get home.
 
I have been using an external HD dock with a fan as I lost my first and only WD Passbook due to failure of the passive cooling. The dock is plug and play with standard HD's. I've recently purchased some SSD's that will become my b/u going foward. You can also find SSD docks that will allow the use of SSD's meant for internal drives, ie, SATA and power connections as opposed to the self-contained USB b/u SSDs.
 
I use a Synology NAS as backup. The Synology is accessible over the internet so I can browse my entire library using their Drive application on various mobile devices or a web browser. It also means all computers in the household can access my library so my wife and I can work on separate computers and use the same backup system. If you only use one computer for editing, direct attached storage is easier to manage and should still allow accessibility over the internet, should you want that.

Once a year I take a second backup copy from the NAS and store it offsite. In terms of reliability, in the Synology I use WD Red drives but I just had one dead on arrival, so I may change to another brand...

And any backup system is better than no backup!
 
Thank you everyone this gives me a lot more to consider going forward.
Ray I've always back-up in triplicate but after years of doing so it gets confusing as to what is on what drive. I also discovered my earliest drives failed which was disappointing for sure. Thank you again for everyones input.
 
I use a OWC Thunderbay for my Mac. Connects directly with a USB-C cable and has been reliable and fast. I backup to external WD drives and keep a set off site. I also use cloud backup for my finished images (as much as I shoot, cloud backup is too slow for all hundreds of thousands of images).
 
I use a Synology NAS using their hybrid raid SHR system (with occasional HD backukps of the important stuff to an offsite location.) I have had one drive in that configuration fail over time. Replacing the failing drive and rebuilding the system went without a hitch. I have a friend who loves his Drobo! Cloud is not an option for me due to internet speed. Besides, with cloud you have to hope they have a robust backup system. :)

Back in the early days of SSD I had a drive fail with data loss, but looking back on it I was probably using it for the wrong application. Too many frequent data writes.
 
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People like Drobo, but I’d advise against it. Drobo units uses proprietary RAID software, so if the unit fails you have to get the same unit to use the drives again. That could be problematic if that model is no longer in production.

A local and off site backup are the best way to go. I use an internal backup drive, in my PC, then an external RAID1 set, and an online backup of all edited files, since uploading the RAW files of modern high resolution cameras would take a long time even with a very good upload speed.
 
Also been using a Synology NAS for a number of years for backups of both my iMac-now-PC and wife's iMac. It's attached to the home network router.
 
I'm another Synology NAS user on which I back up all my original out of camera and edited files. Original files are also backed up to a removeable HDD and again to a removeable SSD (which is kept off-site). Edited photos are also stored in albums in the cloud which family and friends have limited access to for viewing (but not downloading or editing).

The NAS is set up using Synology's SHR feature with automatic recovery from drive failure. One of the reasons for choosing a NAS is that it can be available over the Internet so I can view my photos, stream music and videos from anywhere.

I don't think a second HDD/SSD inside the case of your PC is wise as a backup as it is too vulnerable to corruption in the event of a power outage or surge.
 
I have multiple external drives that I backup to at regular intervals and I just set up an OWC Mercury Elite Pro Dual Drive enclosure with 3-Port Hub containing two 6 tb drives for a total of 12 tb. It has the flexibility to be used as a Raid system or as separate drives. For anyone who has a Mac this company is the best. I‘ve been dealing with them for years. Never had any issues. They specialize in Mac products.

Just remember , at some point a drive WILL fail ! No matter what brand it is. So have multiple backups.
 
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JANuser regarding the Drobo concern thank you that is good advise considering how companies can quickly disappear. It looks like my choices are between OWC and Synology so now back to google to continue to investigate. Thank You again for all of your input.
Ray
 
You'll need minimum 3 copies of the files to be sure it's there when you accidentally delete some.
Primary copy is the one you work on.
Second the copy on another disk/computer in proximity to the primary. When needed it will be easy and fast to get data back to the primary.
Third an off-site copy. Today this is preferably a cloud base solution, doesn't matter it's a bit slow, you'll rarely need it. But when disaster strikes it must be possible to retrieve all data from it within a acceptable time frame.

I use some internal disk in my work station for the primary version.
Second version is on a NAS (Ubuntu Server, Intel Atom based desk-top board (low power consumption) and some spinning rust). Data is copied to the NAS frequently by an automatic job. Files deleted on the primary will not be deleted from the NAS, however a couple timer per year I do a full sync.
Third version is on Jotta cloud, in Norway - like that my data don't travel to far away - reasonable price, good reliability and decent speed. It's synced with second version, however I suspend sync a while when I resync 1st and 2nd copy.
 
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JANuser regarding the Drobo concern thank you that is good advise considering how companies can quickly disappear. It looks like my choices are between OWC and Synology so now back to google to continue to investigate. Thank You again for all of your input.
Ray
I'll add here that I've used a Drobo 5D (DAS) for over four years now (with Thunderbolt 2 connection to my 2015 iMac) and it has worked flawlessly since day one. It is still reasonably quick too, though current USB-C hardware would certainly be quicker. In that time, I started with a simple configuration of 5 x 1TB WD Blue. I am now running 5 x 4TB Seagate Pro NAS drives in dual disk redundancy pattern and I can easily expand yet further as becomes necessary. I currently have two more WD external drives (one 6TB and one 8TB) that are used as the 2nd and 3rd backups to the main Drobo. My future upgrade will likely be a Synology NAS unit, though not yet.
 
People like Drobo, but I’d advise against it. Drobo units uses proprietary RAID software, so if the unit fails you have to get the same unit to use the drives again. That could be problematic if that model is no longer in production.

A local and off site backup are the best way to go. I use an internal backup drive, in my PC, then an external RAID1 set, and an online backup of all edited files, since uploading the RAW files of modern high resolution cameras would take a long time even with a very good upload speed.
Just a quick question regarding proprietary RAID software would OWC or Synology not have a similar issue?
 
Yes. If the NAS fails (not the drives but the computer part of it) you would need another NAS from the same brand to recover the files. That’s also the reason I don’t use specialised backup software; I just copy files. Takes longer but creates fewer dependencies.
 
When you are considering backup strategies I believe you have to have a plan to prepare for three problems.
1. User errors or OS issues like unintentional file deletions or file corruptions.
2. Equipment problems like disk failures.
3. Location disasters like fires, floods, or theft.
 
The gorilla in the room is how good of a backup system is really needed? A working professional photographer's needs are likely to be much different than a hobbyist/enthusiast.
 
The gorilla in the room is how good of a backup system is really needed? A working professional photographer's needs are likely to be much different than a hobbyist/enthusiast.
Yes and no.... I use my system to backup more than photos. With so much information now only digital you can't depend on the old shoe box to store important information or memories.
 
Yes and no.... I use my system to backup more than photos. With so much information now only digital you can't depend on the old shoe box to store important information or memories.

All important data should have at least some minimal backup scheme. My comment was only in regards to backups of large amounts of image files of professionals vs amateur photographers.
 
Just a quick question regarding proprietary RAID software would OWC or Synology not have a similar issue?
If you choose to use a pre-built NAS yes. I personally use a DAS (just an externa set of drives in RAID). If you go for that option you can use software RAID, rather than hardware RAID, and get away from the hardware problem. There are downsides to software RAID, it's not as fast, but then you are not tied to a specific brand of hardware to run it.
 
I used to have a NAS, but because other applications that were the reason for getting it in the first place have become obsolete I went back to local infrastructure. However, the principle behing my backup is still pretty much similar, following the 321 rule:

3 rotating (sets of) backup media
2 at home (with one being "online")
1 stored in a remote location.

The computer (DELL mobile workstation) has 4 physical drives (all SSD, data drives are encrypted):
  1. System and application software
  2. Job data
  3. Private data (other than photography-related
  4. Private data (photography-related only)
System and application software backup is done via OS functionality (regular creation of Windows system images for HDD1 only)
Backup media are two older and smaller external HDD's, because these backups are not so big, do not require version management on file level and are not done so often (usually only prior to major OS updates and after major application software installation changes). The third backup media is a little M.2-SSD in a case (just a little bigger than a USB stick) and is always sitting in my ofice backpack. This allows me to recover the last state of the system drive even when travelling.

Data drive backup (HDD 2 to 4) is done using a USB3-dock for SATA-HDD's that is connected to one of the fast ports of the docking station of the PC.
Backup media are three SATA-HDD's with 4TB each providing about 1,5 times the spaces of the data drives to have the space for keeping older file versions and thus allow emergency rollback on file level. The three HDD's rotate on a weekly to bi-weekly basis:

+---> USB-Dock @ PC ----> Remote storage @ girlfriend ----> Local storage @ desk drawer ---->
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The software I use is a very flexible and powerful open source software called FreeFileSync. It is set up wih one backup task per data drive, so that I can do a partial backup of just one of them if needed, but normally I run them all three as required. I do not use scheduled tasks, because the PC is not running all the time and regular changing its workplace (docking station @ home office, docking station @ girlfriend home, mobile use @ client or travelling).

The main reasons for going away from NAS were flexibility and speed.

With the NAS I was dependent on a second system with different OS, file system and using a backup software to create the external backups that is only working on this system.
The external backups of the NAS could not be accessed directly from my PC.

Because my older NAS could only work with a single 1 GBit network connection and I am working with encrypted volumes in the PC as well as in the NAS the backup was pretty time consuming and thus tempted me to leave it aside from time to time if I were in a hurry.
With a fast SATA-HDD sitting in a USB3 dock the backup works 4 to 5 times faster making it a breeze to do spontaneous backup runs during working if I find it necessary.

Considering that you just need three HDD's and this USB dock the overall cost is about 450€ here plus some donation to the people behing FreeFileSync, which is cheap compared with the level of safety it can give you.

However, I must admit that part of the importance of backup for me is that I am a freelancing engineer and need a good backup for my work as well. But after positive experience over the years I would probably continue going this way even if I used a computer purely for private things. Even here you have more and more valuable data these days and life can get pretty complicated if you loose (part of) it.
 
Again thank you to everyone, for your input. Now I will need to crunch some numbers to see what works best budget wise and brush up on my tech knowledge given all the information that has been provided.
Thank You
Ray
 
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