fcotterill
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It is clear there will be a fast 85mmm - likely f1.2 as widely speculated. The 400 and 600 also look fast primes ie without phase-fresnel elements
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It is clear there will be a fast 85mmm - likely f1.2 as widely speculated. The 400 and 600 also look fast primes ie without phase-fresnel elements
Wish they’d do a 400 mm f4 PF and 600 mm f5.6 PF too. Even in F mount, so you could use them on a DSLR or Z body. Unless they make them a lot lighter than the f mount versions, I don’t see myself buying a 400 mm f2.8 or 600 mm f4 in Z mount. Of course many others will feel differently.
Somehow that link does not work for me.
That's odd...it worked for me just a minute ago. I'm using the Avast version of Google Chrome as my browser..
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Alex
LOL! My mistake. I expected to be directed to a website, but from my numerous attempts I now have about 6 downloaded copies of the PDF file. 
Good to have backups
Looking hard at (and forward to) the 105 macro, 100-400 and 600
Nikon this is how you get my money! The 600, 105 macro, and 200-600 all have my interest! Now keep pushing the cameras to be able to utilize that big 600 and you will get even more of my money.
Demodave
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Tough choice between the 100-400 and 200-600. Depends on aperture and internal zoom. If the 200-600 is internal, then.....I may have to buy both!
I have found I really like the 100-400 and 600mm combo with my Sony setup (and the 180-400 and 600 with my Nikon). However, if I didn't have the 600mm in there, I'd get the 200-600 for sure. At last for what I do
Demodave
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Well the 100-400 goes well with my 500pf and 600 F4. But the 200-600 would be very handy for a 1 lens short hike setup. And on a 45 MP Body, would make a hand holdable birding setup. Much like the sony...
Keep in mind I'm usually carrying 2-3 bodies with lenses. Getting too tired or old or both to keep doing that!
Keep in mind I'm usually carrying 2-3 bodies with lenses. Getting too tired or old or both to keep doing that!
I kind of wish the 200-600 would be an S lens... I'd pay a premium for a fixed f/5.6 aperture, internal zoom, and dual AF motors.
I fear that Nikon will make the lens more like the current 200-500 rather than stretch for what Sony has accomplished with their 200-600G lens. I am still blown away with the relatively low $2000 price tag of the Sony lens.
Were it not for my large inventory of Nikon glass (and the unique 300PF and 500PF lenses) I'd probably a Sony convert.
I fear that Nikon will make the lens more like the current 200-500 rather than stretch for what Sony has accomplished with their 200-600G lens. I am still blown away with the relatively low $2000 price tag of the Sony lens.
Were it not for my large inventory of Nikon glass (and the unique 300PF and 500PF lenses) I'd probably a Sony convert.
fcotterill
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Considered in retrospect, Tokyo 1964 is believed to have propelled the F system into prominence for action shooting, sports especially. It was no less significant for post war Japan that one of its high profile technical companies lead this initiative. Nikon HQ revere traditions and their heritage. Their executives will have rated Tokyo 2020 (ahhmm 2021) as a unique opportunity for the new Z system. Not only are the next Olympics going to happen on the other side of the world (Paris 2024), but Nikon cannot afford to miss the global coverage right outside its HQ. This is their big - indeed unique - opportunity to try and bolster their shrinking market share and leverage the profile of the Z system. Their engineers must be under huge pressure to deliver and make an impact. Nikon will likely release these super telephotos to Pro photographers fairly early next year with the first Z8 (aka Z9 or Z1).
"The 1964 Tokyo Olympics were an event to be remembered for the opportunity it presented for a major player with SLR press cameras to take center stage....
....In 1964, Nippon Kogaku released a total of five telephoto and super-telephoto lenses for use at the Tokyo Olympics. They were the Nikkor-P Auto 300mm f/4.5, Nikkor-Q Auto 400mm f/4.5, Nikkor-P Auto 600mm f/5.6, Nikkor-P Auto 800mm f/8, and Nikkor-P 1200mm f/11." These new exotics were designed to work with a new Focusing Unit with the relatively new Nikon SLR, barely 5 years old (1959). https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0050/index.htm
The chap's speculation is probably correct in the generalities https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/56...l-us-about-future-pro-nikon-mirrorless-models
"The 1964 Tokyo Olympics were an event to be remembered for the opportunity it presented for a major player with SLR press cameras to take center stage....
....In 1964, Nippon Kogaku released a total of five telephoto and super-telephoto lenses for use at the Tokyo Olympics. They were the Nikkor-P Auto 300mm f/4.5, Nikkor-Q Auto 400mm f/4.5, Nikkor-P Auto 600mm f/5.6, Nikkor-P Auto 800mm f/8, and Nikkor-P 1200mm f/11." These new exotics were designed to work with a new Focusing Unit with the relatively new Nikon SLR, barely 5 years old (1959). https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0050/index.htm
The chap's speculation is probably correct in the generalities https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/56...l-us-about-future-pro-nikon-mirrorless-models
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wild-pics
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The silhouette of the 100-400 appears small, hope it will be a F 4.5-5.6 and not smaller? I would expect the lens to be at the same performance and build of the Canon EF which is used widely in Africa from my observation.Looking hard at (and forward to) the 105 macro, 100-400 and 600
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Graham T
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I don't understand Nikons strategy . They are marking the Z series cameras as being smaller and lighter than DLSRs so one would think they would be making Z PDF lenses for the Z cameras so that you have the ideal combination.
fcotterill
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It has approx window as the 70-200 f2.8S. So likely 77mm filters, which means f5.6. It should AF fairly well on a MILC with TC1.4Z ie 140-560 f8
Thom Hogan said on his Z mirrorless site that he thought it was “likely f4.5-6.3.” I’d prefer 5.6 at the long end.
I’m afraid the cost will be prohibitive for the long wildlife tele lenses for most of us. Anything more than about the price of the current 500PF is just nuts for people who aren’t making money with their photos IMO...or else they simply have more money than I do or have different priorities. I’m planning on 500PF and TC myself and if/when I go Z I will use the adapter...but it seems Nikon is aiming mostly at pros or very serious high end amateur semi-pro users to me with most of the current Z mount offerings and we have no idea when third party Z mount lenses will be available. I’m attracted to the Z7II assuming the dual processor solves the AF issues but that and the 500PF are going on to $10K and that’s a steep price for travel and blog usage. It isn’t that I can’t afford that much...but it comes down to a cost/benefit calculation for me.
Having tasted hand holding shooting with 500 PF i dread to go for F4 lenses (even though i can afford it) if the weight is what they are today.500 Pf has opened up so many new opportunries for bird action shooters & i for one has become addiccted to it .
Even though i am 64 i am able to crawl very near the birds with the combo (d500/850 ) & take real low POV shots.
Even BIFs have become point & shoot for me & i am absolutlley thrilled about the kind of results that i am getting lately.I am sure others would have also expereinced it too & this would be a crowd puller(it alreadyseem to have happened).
I really wish Ninon changes its strategy & start selling lens like 600 PF (hoping against hope) with camera thrown in
Even though i am 64 i am able to crawl very near the birds with the combo (d500/850 ) & take real low POV shots.
Even BIFs have become point & shoot for me & i am absolutlley thrilled about the kind of results that i am getting lately.I am sure others would have also expereinced it too & this would be a crowd puller(it alreadyseem to have happened).
I really wish Ninon changes its strategy & start selling lens like 600 PF (hoping against hope) with camera thrown in
tomfranic
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Is it known what aperture will be on those 200-600; 400 and 600 mm lens. Bcs that isn't
written on that Line-up PDF. And why is 200-600 is not S-line and what that mean. Thanks folks
written on that Line-up PDF. And why is 200-600 is not S-line and what that mean. Thanks folks
I'd guess we're looking at F/6.3 for the 200-600, F/2.8 for the 400, and F/4 for the 600.
Not being an "S" line lens means that it's intended more towards the mid-range shooter and not the pro. This could mean slower AF, less (or no) weather sealing, possibly not as good optically, maybe not an internal zoom, build quality may not be as good as the S line, etc. However, I think the 200-500 would fall into the non-S category and it's not bad.
My concern with the 200-600 is if it matches what Sony has. The Sony 200-600 is a real gem - although it's not categorized as a G Master lens (their S line equivalent). If Nikon at least matches it, they'll have a real winner, if not, there may be a lot of Nikon shooters contemplating white lenses...
tomfranic
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Thank You very much Mr Steve on Your time to answer me and explain all
And I also consider about 100-400mm with x2CT. But that will be prob more more pricey then 200-600mm
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Ad Astra
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Good to see new lenses on the Nikon Z roadmap. I am keen to add the 100-400 and 105 macro to my collection.
I wish Nikon would add something exciting like a macro zoom or a 200mm macro to the roadmap. Also keen to see a 70-200 f4 to complete a travel trio of zooms and the 70-300 brought over from the f-mount range.
I wish Nikon would add something exciting like a macro zoom or a 200mm macro to the roadmap. Also keen to see a 70-200 f4 to complete a travel trio of zooms and the 70-300 brought over from the f-mount range.
O
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I agree with your comments, makes a lot of sense, I also feel just because one buys a Ferrari it dose not make you a better driver. Mind you the world is full of Ferrari drives.
People should NEVER feel left behind there are some things or skills that you just cant buy and that's being a real photographer, having the eye to see and compose, its really about the only thing we have left, if that's not in you then you are what the Camera manufactures love.
I would like in the future to have lighter smaller lenses like the PF range. My Go to lens is the 70-200 FL, while not PF I also find the rest is all i ever need, 200-500, 24-70 G, 14-24G 16mm Fish eye.
fcotterill
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Hopefully Nikon has recognized affordability has to be a dominant factor in selling a decent number of telephotos. Within reason, as the super exotics are assembled by hand the quality exhaustively checked. Apparently, this cost overhead applies to the 200 f2 and longer primes (very possibly the new 120-300 and 180-400 also, considering their cost!). The 800 f5.6E reaches the extreme with its bespoke TC1.25.
A significant segment of Nikon R&D and sales continues to expand into robotics, and several articles hint their assembly lines are increasingly automated, QA inclusive. This news is an important positive if it minimizes intercopy variation, which has plagued prominent lenses in the past (eg 24-120 f4G).
The RRP of the 200-500 f5.6E is within reach of a fair number, especially as it's often offered on specials Thus hopefully sales of well over 180 000 copies in 5 years portends Nikon will see reason with the Z 200-600. This will surely expand the user base of the Z system alongside selling yet more Z MILCs. Nevertheless, as some of us keep lamenting, Nikon's glacial expansion, neglect in fact, of more PF telephotos is not only frustrating but inexplicable. ALthough sales of a PF prime (400 f4E, 600 f5.6) doesn't (yet) exceed 5 digits, the high demand is matched by their popularity and profile; these unique optics maintain endless discussions on forums: and shared images across the www.
A significant segment of Nikon R&D and sales continues to expand into robotics, and several articles hint their assembly lines are increasingly automated, QA inclusive. This news is an important positive if it minimizes intercopy variation, which has plagued prominent lenses in the past (eg 24-120 f4G).
The RRP of the 200-500 f5.6E is within reach of a fair number, especially as it's often offered on specials Thus hopefully sales of well over 180 000 copies in 5 years portends Nikon will see reason with the Z 200-600. This will surely expand the user base of the Z system alongside selling yet more Z MILCs. Nevertheless, as some of us keep lamenting, Nikon's glacial expansion, neglect in fact, of more PF telephotos is not only frustrating but inexplicable. ALthough sales of a PF prime (400 f4E, 600 f5.6) doesn't (yet) exceed 5 digits, the high demand is matched by their popularity and profile; these unique optics maintain endless discussions on forums: and shared images across the www.
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