My initial Z9 with 500 pf shooting impressions - mindblown!

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I got the Z9 delivered to me the previous day late evening; shoutout to @lordofthelight for connecting me with the right dealer.


A) AF impressions & settings:

I played with the Z9 & 500 pf with FTZ 1 for about 30 minutes in dull cloudy weather shooting pigeons from my terrace & it did great. Having used the R6/100-400 combo for a few days, I felt the Z9's AF is perhaps 20% better & probably 1-2x better than my current D500/500 pf combo. I did not feel any lag in the AF box overlay. The overall shooting experience without the EVF blackout is magical. BTW, FTZ 1 will not affect the vertical shooting grip if you have skinny fingers like me!

The following picture gives an idea of the setting/shooting area. The closest apartment blocks are located 100 feet away, while the trees in the background are about 200 feet away. Pigeons hurtle across from one block to another & often zip perpendicularly past me at full pelt.


Initial Settings:
Lock-on tracking at 3,
Subject detection ON (animal only),
Shutter button focus
Focus limit distance to Full in the 500 pf.
Full Area AF focus (mode)

Initial target acquisition was quick, while the tracking stickiness was excellent for pigeons moving horizontally in the frame. However, it wasn't quick enough to nail the pigeons hurtling towards me, especially when close at about 40 feet away.
So I turned the lock-on sensitivity setting to 1; it did the trick & I stuck to it. Tracking stickiness continued to be good & I was able to focus on pigeons flying towards me & past me.

B) Accuracy of detecting birds when still & in flight:

Z9 either pics it up magically well in full area Af mode, or gets confused & shows the overlay on a close-by object. During those moments, I instantly let go of the half-pressed shutter button & re-focus. On doing that, the Z9 would invariably pick the right subject in the 2nd or 3rd attempt irrespective of the bird being stagnant or flying with a busy background. The whole process is more practical & efficient than I thought it would be.

After a while, I tried large area-AF with identical settings. It did exceptionally well too. With this mode, I didn't feel the need to re-focus. I think the large-area AF box is great to acquire a bird zipping past you out of a busy background. Eg. parrots, pigeons, etc. However, the large area AF box is more like medium size & is virtually impossible to keep a moving bird within the box.
It would be great if Nikon can give a bigger size large-area AF box.
Similar to Zone AF box on Sony cameras, but a little smaller.

C) Sharpness:
The Z9 with the 500 pf yields sharp results even when I have to crop a lot for subjects shot at more than 80 feet away.

(It wasn't the case with the D500.
Reasons could be the following:
Perhaps low resolution;
AF tuning issue (I did try Steve's method to no avail);
Inconsistent VR on the 500 pf.)

Here is an example of the bird shikra (small raptor) shot on Z9/500 pf about 100-120 feet away; cropped by nearly 80%. Even at a 100% zoom, the bird is sharp.
Shot at 1/125 handheld. IBIS works well. Did basic edits on NX Studio.

Cropped.

Not cropped.



I haven't tried stills 3d AF tracking yet.
Also it seems, 4k 120 FPS slowmo footage does not play in slowmotion in the camera unlike Z6/Z7. That's a bummer if I am not wrong.

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What exactly did you think of the Z9 AF folks?
 
Congratulations Sid! Great to hear that. So it is great to hear your long distance sharpness issue with the 500 PF is gone now. In fact, with my D850, i used to carry a note with me all the time when using my 2X TC as it needed different AF Fine tune values at different distances to get the best results. All those are gone now with the mirrorless tech.


I got the Z9 delivered to me the previous day late evening; shoutout to @lordofthelight for connecting me with the right dealer.


A) AF impressions & settings:

I played with the Z9 & 500 pf with FTZ 1 for about 30 minutes in dull cloudy weather shooting pigeons from my terrace & it did great. Having used the R6/100-400 combo for a few days, I felt the Z9's AF is perhaps 20% better & probably 1-2x better than my current D500/500 pf combo. I did not feel any lag in the AF box overlay. The overall shooting experience without the EVF blackout is magical. BTW, FTZ 1 will not affect the vertical shooting grip if you have skinny fingers like me!

The following picture gives an idea of the setting/shooting area. The closest apartment blocks are located 100 feet away, while the trees in the background are about 200 feet away. Pigeons hurtle across from one block to another & often zip perpendicularly past me at full pelt.


Initial Settings:
Lock-on tracking at 3,
Subject detection ON (animal only),
Shutter button focus
Focus limit distance to Full in the 500 pf.
Full Area AF focus (mode)

Initial target acquisition was quick, while the tracking stickiness was excellent for pigeons moving horizontally in the frame. However, it wasn't quick enough to nail the pigeons hurtling towards me, especially when close at about 40 feet away.
So I turned the lock-on sensitivity setting to 1; it did the trick & I stuck to it. Tracking stickiness continued to be good & I was able to focus on pigeons flying towards me & past me.

B) Accuracy of detecting birds when still & in flight:

Z9 either pics it up magically well in full area Af mode, or gets confused & shows the overlay on a close-by object. During those moments, I instantly let go of the half-pressed shutter button & re-focus. On doing that, the Z9 would invariably pick the right subject in the 2nd or 3rd attempt irrespective of the bird being stagnant or flying with a busy background. The whole process is more practical & efficient than I thought it would be.

After a while, I tried large area-AF with identical settings. It did exceptionally well too. With this mode, I didn't feel the need to re-focus. I think the large-area AF box is great to acquire a bird zipping past you out of a busy background. Eg. parrots, pigeons, etc. However, the large area AF box is more like medium size & is virtually impossible to keep a moving bird within the box.
It would be great if Nikon can give a bigger size large-area AF box.
Similar to Zone AF box on Sony cameras, but a little smaller.

C) Sharpness:
The Z9 with the 500 pf yields sharp results even when I have to crop a lot for subjects shot at more than 80 feet away.

(It wasn't the case with the D500.
Reasons could be the following:
Perhaps low resolution;
AF tuning issue (I did try Steve's method to no avail);
Inconsistent VR on the 500 pf.)

Here is an example of the bird shikra (small raptor) shot on Z9/500 pf about 100-120 feet away; cropped by nearly 80%. Even at a 100% zoom, the bird is sharp.
Shot at 1/125 handheld. IBIS works well. Did basic edits on NX Studio.

Cropped.

Not cropped.



I haven't tried stills 3d AF tracking yet.
Also it seems, 4k 120 FPS slowmo footage does not play in slowmotion in the camera unlike Z6/Z7. That's a bummer if I am not wrong.

----

What exactly did you think of the Z9 AF folks?
 
I got the Z9 delivered to me the previous day late evening; shoutout to @lordofthelight for connecting me with the right dealer.


A) AF impressions & settings:

I played with the Z9 & 500 pf with FTZ 1 for about 30 minutes in dull cloudy weather shooting pigeons from my terrace & it did great. Having used the R6/100-400 combo for a few days, I felt the Z9's AF is perhaps 20% better & probably 1-2x better than my current D500/500 pf combo. I did not feel any lag in the AF box overlay. The overall shooting experience without the EVF blackout is magical. BTW, FTZ 1 will not affect the vertical shooting grip if you have skinny fingers like me!

The following picture gives an idea of the setting/shooting area. The closest apartment blocks are located 100 feet away, while the trees in the background are about 200 feet away. Pigeons hurtle across from one block to another & often zip perpendicularly past me at full pelt.


Initial Settings:
Lock-on tracking at 3,
Subject detection ON (animal only),
Shutter button focus
Focus limit distance to Full in the 500 pf.
Full Area AF focus (mode)

Initial target acquisition was quick, while the tracking stickiness was excellent for pigeons moving horizontally in the frame. However, it wasn't quick enough to nail the pigeons hurtling towards me, especially when close at about 40 feet away.
So I turned the lock-on sensitivity setting to 1; it did the trick & I stuck to it. Tracking stickiness continued to be good & I was able to focus on pigeons flying towards me & past me.

B) Accuracy of detecting birds when still & in flight:

Z9 either pics it up magically well in full area Af mode, or gets confused & shows the overlay on a close-by object. During those moments, I instantly let go of the half-pressed shutter button & re-focus. On doing that, the Z9 would invariably pick the right subject in the 2nd or 3rd attempt irrespective of the bird being stagnant or flying with a busy background. The whole process is more practical & efficient than I thought it would be.

After a while, I tried large area-AF with identical settings. It did exceptionally well too. With this mode, I didn't feel the need to re-focus. I think the large-area AF box is great to acquire a bird zipping past you out of a busy background. Eg. parrots, pigeons, etc. However, the large area AF box is more like medium size & is virtually impossible to keep a moving bird within the box.
It would be great if Nikon can give a bigger size large-area AF box.
Similar to Zone AF box on Sony cameras, but a little smaller.

C) Sharpness:
The Z9 with the 500 pf yields sharp results even when I have to crop a lot for subjects shot at more than 80 feet away.

(It wasn't the case with the D500.
Reasons could be the following:
Perhaps low resolution;
AF tuning issue (I did try Steve's method to no avail);
Inconsistent VR on the 500 pf.)

Here is an example of the bird shikra (small raptor) shot on Z9/500 pf about 100-120 feet away; cropped by nearly 80%. Even at a 100% zoom, the bird is sharp.
Shot at 1/125 handheld. IBIS works well. Did basic edits on NX Studio.

Cropped.

Not cropped.



I haven't tried stills 3d AF tracking yet.
Also it seems, 4k 120 FPS slowmo footage does not play in slowmotion in the camera unlike Z6/Z7. That's a bummer if I am not wrong.

----

What exactly did you think of the Z9 AF folks?
Thanks for sharing your initial impressions Sid. Ricci has said that Z9 will get customizable AF-Area size/shape via FW so hopefully that ends up being true and we will be able to make a perfect sized AF-Area tailored for our subject of the day!!
 
Congratulations Sid! Great to hear that. So it is great to hear your long distance sharpness issue with the 500 PF is gone now. In fact, with my D850, i used to carry a note with me all the time when using my 2X TC as it needed different AF Fine tune values at different distances to get the best results. All those are gone now with the mirrorless tech.


You would constantly adjust the AF tune values in the field? Wow. That's some meticulous practice...
 
Did you happen to read the PDF manual? Try an FTZ2.

No I haven't read anything from the manual. I had the Z6 ii before this, the menu layout & options are quite similar. I will soon give a read though. Also, I recently sold my Z6 ii & I didn't want to buy an FTZ ii, so held onto FTZ 1. My fingers fit in between the FTZ 1 protrusion & the vertical grip, so not an issue for me. Also, I intend to shoot vertically only occasionally for static subjects.
 
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Thanks for sharing your initial impressions Sid. Ricci has said that Z9 will get customizable AF-Area size/shape via FW so hopefully that ends up being true and we will be able to make a perfect sized AF-Area tailored for our subject of the day!!

Wow, that's on my wish list. Did not realize that Ricci had spoken about such an update. That's great to hear.

Also, just after a mins of shooting the Z9, I am convinced to buy the Z 800 f6.3 lens. I think the 800 mm focal length will give that compressed look to the subjects that even a 600 f4 may not give. IDK. I noticed the 500 pf with my D500 which is effectively 750 mm gives this pop effect to the subjects. I reckon if the Z 800 pf has similar character to 500 pf, the Z9 & 800 pf combo despite being f6.3 will be peerless especially in decent light.
 
AFFT was an admission by the camera makers that AF on SLRs was kludge technology.
What? AFFT is a tool which allows the consumer to change the focus point to the plane of the sensor, which otherwise would have to sent to a service center for calibration/alteration. If it is an admission of anything by camera manufacturers, it is an admission that equipment design/manufacturing tolerances are a factor in producing an in-focus image. I am certainly glad to have in-camera AFFT to optimize image quality on multiple camera/lens combinations.
 
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What? AFFT is a tool which allows the consumer to change the focus point to the plane of the sensor, which otherwise would have to sent to a service center for calibration/alteration. If it is an admission of anything by camera manufacturers, it is an admission that equipment design/manufacturing tolerances are a factor in producing an in-focus image. I am certainly glad to have in-camera AFFT to optimize image quality on multiple camera/lens combinations.

No question AFFT is helpful to get images that are close to in focus, but the observation that lenses are sharper on mirrorless cameras points out the inevitability of Murphy's Law with a DSLR's Rube Goldberg AF system.
 
No question AFFT is helpful to get images that are close to in focus, but the observation that lenses are sharper on mirrorless cameras points out the inevitability of Murphy's Law with a DSLR's Rube Goldberg AF system.
There is nothing about a DSLR's AF that is Rube Goldberg. The reason that phase detection AF needs AFFT is due to tolerances in the design and manufacturing of the DSLR and lenses, specifically variations in the distances between the AF phase sensor and the image sensor. Throw in the variations of distance of optimum focus for lenses and you have the need to AFFT for multiple glass combinations. Mirrorless cameras use contrast detection, as do DSLRs in "Live View", which actually measures contrast at/upon the camera sensor, which is why AFFT isn't needed for contrast measuring AF systems. What it really comes down to is that AF fine tuning is "continuous" when using contrast detection focusing, for both DSLRs using Live View and mirrorless cameras.
 
AFFT became essential with higher resolution sensors that made any focus deficiencies glaringly apparent. With every new camera I would spend a couple of days doing the AF fine tune settings for all my lenses and at the end of the process it was still an approximation, especially with zoom lenses.

I did not fully appreciate the difference until my wife bought a 300mm f/4 image stabilized lens for her Olmpus MFT camera. I mounted the lens and took macro shots at 1/8s that were perfectly sharp. Very tempted to switch to mirrorless after that experience.
 
Be careful about calling it a "game changer". There has been an outbreak of verbal jousting on another website over that term. People are quite heated about it for some reason!!:)
 
DP Review. Arguments rage over whose game is being changed, and people who don’t want one are saying one thing while those that do are saying different things…😱
 
DP Review. Arguments rage over whose game is being changed, and people who don’t want one are saying one thing while those that do are saying different things…😱


Lol. I don't what the fuss still is now. All the systems' AF is more or less on par with the flagships. It is mostly about lenses, feel, & colour science now. Also, price, Nikon bodies & gear are cheaper.
 
There is nothing about a DSLR's AF that is Rube Goldberg. The reason that phase detection AF needs AFFT is due to tolerances in the design and manufacturing of the DSLR and lenses, specifically variations in the distances between the AF phase sensor and the image sensor.

Speaking as a retired mechanical & software engineer, this is exactly why DSLR AF is Rube Goldberg.
 
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