fulltimewanderer
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New Sensor, check this out, very interesting. New unbelievable
News from Nikon
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fcotterill
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there's this FM thread that has discussed some of the implications
also https://bythom.com/newsviews/new-nikon-sensor.html
also https://bythom.com/newsviews/new-nikon-sensor.html
JANuser
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Nothing radical here, Nikon has been developing it‘s own sensors for some cameras since the D2H, and as Thom
points out, they had a team long before that. 1 inch sensor, okay. So Nikon 1 is coming back? Reviving the dead compact 1 cameras they canceled 6 or so years ago? Not a bad idea really, would be a good replacement for entry level cameras.
points out, they had a team long before that. 1 inch sensor, okay. So Nikon 1 is coming back? Reviving the dead compact 1 cameras they canceled 6 or so years ago? Not a bad idea really, would be a good replacement for entry level cameras.
fulltimewanderer
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I guess that I interpreted the video a little different. Granted per the video it is a 1” square sensor. But when configured as a FF sensor it would be somewhere; around a 80-100 mp, DR of 110 db at 1000 FPS or 134 db at 60FPS. If this information in the video is accurate this would be a tremendous jump in camera technology. Guess maybe I’m also being a little optimistic.
fcotterill
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This launch is not at all over optimistic if one considers the implications even in brief.
First fact it is Stacked, when the consensus is Nikon is in the slipstream on sensor technology, especially for MILC, and it's not only the trolls bashing Nikon that spread this myth (see below).
Second, 22+ stops of dynamic range is a huge leap forward, especially in a sensor built on 2.7 um pixels using the a multi-layered matrix of 'integrating pixels', kind of analogous to a sliding window analysis thanks to integral CPUs.
Third, as you say it should be feasible to expand the size of this high resolution sensor to much more area than 1"; but potentially, Processing power permitting, the FX sensor will bring the great leap forward in Dynamic Range (with radical read speeds). To appreciate what this means, consider the 45.7mp FX sensor in the D850 is based on 4.35 um pitch and 6.41 um in the 20.8mp D5 sensor. Thus, Nikon holds the technology to build a revolutionary FX sensor - significantly higher resolution > 45mp - with its DR far exceeding the performance of the D5 in lowlight AND with very fast read speeds. Potentially the industry impact of such a camera ranks far higher than the leap in the D3 enabled in 2007 - possibly closer to the impact of the D1 in 1999. But let's see what FX camera(s) do finally eventuate.... And obviously, thanks to their stacked sensor technology, Nikon can design and tweak a highly advanced PDAF, global shutter etc etc into such a high DR sensor
The public launch for an industry sensor tells consumers, investors and also competitors to take note Nikon is supplying a lucrative market in a growing industry ie smart cars, and other arenas of robotics. The launch was predated by at least one of the many patents Nikon has registered over the past couple of years in sensor technology.
This news runs distinctly counter to the eggspurts in the "picture-press" and Nikon bashers, trolls etc on forums etc smugly confident of Nikon's extinction. How poorly they understand the intricacies of the electronics and imaging industries. One common misconception is the utter rubbish that Nikon is entirely dependent on handouts from Sony's sensor R&D etc. Only a fool underestimates Nikon, which is one of Japan's oldest and most venerated companies.
The timing cannot be coincidence - a week before CP+.
First fact it is Stacked, when the consensus is Nikon is in the slipstream on sensor technology, especially for MILC, and it's not only the trolls bashing Nikon that spread this myth (see below).
Second, 22+ stops of dynamic range is a huge leap forward, especially in a sensor built on 2.7 um pixels using the a multi-layered matrix of 'integrating pixels', kind of analogous to a sliding window analysis thanks to integral CPUs.
Third, as you say it should be feasible to expand the size of this high resolution sensor to much more area than 1"; but potentially, Processing power permitting, the FX sensor will bring the great leap forward in Dynamic Range (with radical read speeds). To appreciate what this means, consider the 45.7mp FX sensor in the D850 is based on 4.35 um pitch and 6.41 um in the 20.8mp D5 sensor. Thus, Nikon holds the technology to build a revolutionary FX sensor - significantly higher resolution > 45mp - with its DR far exceeding the performance of the D5 in lowlight AND with very fast read speeds. Potentially the industry impact of such a camera ranks far higher than the leap in the D3 enabled in 2007 - possibly closer to the impact of the D1 in 1999. But let's see what FX camera(s) do finally eventuate.... And obviously, thanks to their stacked sensor technology, Nikon can design and tweak a highly advanced PDAF, global shutter etc etc into such a high DR sensor
The public launch for an industry sensor tells consumers, investors and also competitors to take note Nikon is supplying a lucrative market in a growing industry ie smart cars, and other arenas of robotics. The launch was predated by at least one of the many patents Nikon has registered over the past couple of years in sensor technology.
This news runs distinctly counter to the eggspurts in the "picture-press" and Nikon bashers, trolls etc on forums etc smugly confident of Nikon's extinction. How poorly they understand the intricacies of the electronics and imaging industries. One common misconception is the utter rubbish that Nikon is entirely dependent on handouts from Sony's sensor R&D etc. Only a fool underestimates Nikon, which is one of Japan's oldest and most venerated companies.
The timing cannot be coincidence - a week before CP+.
fulltimewanderer
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fulltimewanderer
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Maybe the sleeping Giant has awaken
fcotterill
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More hints today at CP+ about the feasibility of a "Laminated Sensor" in a larger camera
nikonrumors.com
Nikon presentation at the 2021 CP+ show: "We plan to release many new products this year" - Nikon Rumors
Nikon did not introduce any new products at the 2021 CP+ show and this explains the lack of rumors and leaks in the past few weeks. Nikon had several online presentations during the CP+ show – here are some of the main points (all Google translated): We are still challengers at Mirrorless, so we...
nikonrumors.com
BruceJ
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Just imagine the computer horsepower you will need if they placed this sensor in a camera, Photoshop would crawl on its knees.
fulltimewanderer
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This new sensor will give three options; higher FPS, increase DR and increase pixel count. My understanding of the original video is that Nikon will be able to select which of the options for a specific body or a combination of all. So depending on the choice(s) minimum impact to a mind boggling impact on processing.