Night Photography Help Needed

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Hello everyone...and greetings to all...This, incidentally is my first post. I’m seeking opinions on what to set my camera (Nikon D7500) when it applies to night photography (ISO, shutter speed, f-stop etc.). Primarily, for golden, blue hour shots of cityscapes. As an example, I’ve read varying opinions on whether or not you should use manual or aperture priority, low ISO, high ISO (without introducing too much noise), etc. Also do you bring EV into the equation? For example, tonight I shot numerous shots of our city harbour with a hillside foreground from a high vantage point (historic Signal Hill) over our city (St. John’s, Newfoundland) the harbour is ringed with office building lights, ships lit up etc. all with a golden hour sky. F.Y.I, I use a decent Manfrotto tripod with a cable release. I guess there are no hard and fast rules, but at least if I had some of the theories to form a working framework, that would be great. Thanks in advance.
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IMO from the image you posted, I would use the lowest f-stop I could with a longer shutter speed to start, say 1/20th with ISO 800-1000. I would adjust Shutter and ISO to balance detail in the shadows without blowing out the light and skyline.
 
Normally for such type of shots shooting on a tripod, I leave my f-stop at 5.6. I have observed that at f2.8 or f4 some details are lost at the edges. ISO I keep between 200-800 depending upon available light. Normally I do not exceed ISO 800 for city scapes to avoid noise. Shutter speed would again depend on the available light. For your above shot at ISO 400 it should be around 1 second to 1/8 seconds. Ev i adjust if necessary... Use cable release to take such low light shots.
 
IMO from the image you posted, I would use the lowest f-stop I could with a longer shutter speed to start, say 1/20th with ISO 800-1000. I would adjust Shutter and ISO to balance detail in the shadows without blowing out the light and skyline.

Thanks for your input. I’ll give them a try next visit. One other question...how do you meter, as in what setting and where do you point in the scene to take your reading?
 
Normally for such type of shots shooting on a tripod, I leave my f-stop at 5.6. I have observed that at f2.8 or f4 some details are lost at the edges. ISO I keep between 200-800 depending upon available light. Normally I do not exceed ISO 800 for city scapes to avoid noise. Shutter speed would again depend on the available light. For your above shot at ISO 400 it should be around 1 second to 1/8 seconds. Ev i adjust if necessary... Use cable release to take such low light shots.

Thanks for the response. One other question...how do you meter, as in what setting and where do you point in the scene to take your reading? Thanks again.
 
Thanks for your input. I’ll give them a try next visit. One other question...how do you meter, as in what setting and where do you point in the scene to take your reading?
I would use Matrix with focus at center shot. Spot meter would give you one extreme light or dark. You may still need to adjust EV or Shutter speed to get desired feel. There is no correct spot on answer. Its about you capturing what you see in you minds eye. Ansel Adams, Not a direct quote...
 
Good answers above, but a few guidelines:

- A shot like this doesn't really require freezing subject motion or perhaps more accurately the motion of people, cars, and trees swaying in the wind won't be very noticeable in the overall image shot from this distance so you can get away with longer shutter speeds as long as you're shooting from a tripod. If you had elements like maybe a moving boat on the water with lights and wanted to blur them for light trails you could get away with very long shutter speeds. The point in terms of exposure triangle is: you still want adequate depth of field so you'll likely need to stop down from a wide open lens as @Yezdi suggested above and you still want to keep image noise under control so you don't want a sky high ISO so what's left is running longer shutter speeds but you can get away with that in a shot like this so that's not a problem.

- In terms of exposure and modes, you can get the same shot in the end via many approaches and what @Bozz69Z suggests above is a good way to go but for a static composition like this where you have some time to get it right the easy thing in digital cameras is to take a test shot and check either your blinkies (Highlights), your histogram or both to make sure you didn't either clip your highlights (blinkies flashing on image review screen or histogram bunched up with spike to the right hand side) or block up your shadows (histogram bunched up with spike to the left hand side). That really is one huge benefit of digital cameras over the film days, you can immediately check exposure results and if it's too dark (histogram bunched to left) just add some positive exposure compensation or in full manual mode slow down the shutter speed. Or if the image is coming out too bright with clipped highlights just dial in some negative exposure compensation in an auto mode or decrease the shutter speed a bit in full manual mode and take another shot.

- But whether you shoot this in: Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, Manual Exposure with Auto ISO, or Full Manual with Fixed ISO doesn't really matter in the end as long as you check your exposure and make adjustments as necessary and take another shot. If the question is how to nail the exposure in your first shot then the key is to meter (whether Matrix, Center Weighted or Spot) on some part of the image that you want rendered mid tone which admittedly is challenging in a twilight shot with a lot of lights included in the scene but much easier to do in a daylight shot where things like green summer grass is pretty close to midtone and presents a good metering target.

- The other big thing on exposure is that there really isn't a 'correct exposure' for an image like this. I like what you posted but someone else might render it darker so the lights in the image are more prominent (more of a night time shot) and someone else might expose it so the sky and natural light is a bit brighter and it looks closer to daytime. IOW, there's a lot of room for artistic expression with an exposure like this and as long as you don't completely blow out the highlights or block up the shadows to the point where important detail is lost you can vary quite a bit to go for a particular mood. I think the exposure you've shown above works and the scene works though it would work much better if there was more interest (e.g more sunset clouds) in the sky or perhaps with a panorama type crop that included less of the blank sky.

If that doesn't all make sense, for instance the talk of Exposure Triangle or metering modes then I'd suggest Googling those terms and highly recommend Steve's eBook on Nikon Metering: https://backcountrygallery.com/new-book-exposure-and-metering-for-nikon/ as it explains all this and a lot more in really good detail but in a very approachable way.

BTW, great scene and nice feel to that image. Good on ya for getting out and capturing that image and posting it. Keep 'em coming.

-Dave
 
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Good answers above, but a few guidelines:

- A shot like this doesn't really require freezing subject motion or perhaps more accurately the motion of people, cars, and trees swaying in the wind won't be very noticeable in the overall image shot from this distance so you can get away with longer shutter speeds as long as you're shooting from a tripod. If you had elements like maybe a moving boat on the water with lights and wanted to blur them for light trails you could get away with very long shutter speeds. The point in terms of exposure triangle is: you still want adequate depth of field so you'll likely need to stop down from a wide open lens as @Yezdi suggested above and you still want to keep image noise under control so you don't want a sky high ISO so what's left is running longer shutter speeds but you can get away with that in a shot like this so that's not a real problem.

- In terms of exposure and modes, you can get the same shot in the end via many approaches and what @Bozz69Z suggests above is a good way to go but for a static composition like this where you have some time to get it right the easy thing in digital cameras is to take a test shot and check either your blinkies (Highlights), your histogram or both to make sure you didn't either clip your highlights (blinkies flashing on image review screen or histogram bunched up with spike to the right hand side) or block up your shadows (histogram bunched up with spike to the left hand side). That really is one huge benefit of digital cameras over the film days, you can immediately check exposure results and if it's too dark (histogram bunched to left) just add some positive exposure compensation or in full manual mode slow down the shutter speed. Or if the image is coming out too bright with clipped highlights just dial in some negative exposure compensation in an auto mode or decrease the shutter speed a bit in full manual mode and take another shot.

- But whether you shoot this in: Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, Manual Exposure with Auto ISO, or Full Manual with Fixed ISO doesn't really matter in the end as long as you check your exposure and make adjustments as necessary and take another shot. If the question is how to nail the exposure in your first shot then the key is to meter (whether Matrix, Center Weighted or Spot) on some part of the image that you want rendered mid tone which admittedly is challenging in a twilight shot with a lot of lights included in the scene but much easier to do in a daylight shot where things like green summer grass is pretty close to midtone and presents a good metering target.

- The other big thing on exposure is that there really isn't a 'correct exposure' for an image like this. I like what you posted but someone else might render it darker so the lights in the image are more prominent (more of a night time shot) and someone else might expose it so the sky and natural light is a bit brighter and it looks closer to daytime. IOW, there's a lot of room for artistic expression with an exposure like this and as long as you don't completely blow out the highlights or block up the shadows to the point where important detail is lost you can vary quite a bit to go for a particular mood. I think the exposure you've shown above works and the scene works though it would work much better if there was more interest (e.g more sunset clouds) in the sky or perhaps with a panorama type crop that included less of the blank sky.

If that doesn't all make sense, for instance the talk of Exposure Triangle or metering modes then I'd suggest Googling those terms and highly recommend Steve's eBook on Nikon Metering: https://backcountrygallery.com/new-book-exposure-and-metering-for-nikon/ as it explains all this and a lot more in really good detail but in a very approachable way.

BTW, great scene and nice feel to that image. Good on ya for getting out and capturing that image and posting it. Keep 'em coming.

-Dave

Thanks Dave. All these responses are great information that will give me valuable pause for thought before my next shoot. I’ll shoot the harbour again when conditions when the golden hour sky is maybe a bit more dramatic to enhance really what I ultimately was going for before I set out that day. Also I like what you recommended with respect to metering mode technique. Can’t wait to get back up there. I’ll apply the adjustment/review advice as you recommend and take lots of test shots. My goal is some useful detail in the foreground, a vibrant/sharp mid, and of course, a dramatic sky to bring the intended mood of the hour. All within a healthy dynamic range. The joys of digital. Thanks again.

Addison
 
Thanks for the response. One other question...how do you meter, as in what setting and where do you point in the scene to take your reading? Thanks again.
I think Dave has explained you far in detail what you can do for such type of shots and maybe answered all your doubts. Most of us here including Dave & myself have come from film era to the digital age and have learnt plenty of things over the years the hard way. But Dave's advice for learning the exposure triangle and the various metering modes is of great importance. Keep shooting and keep practicing and you shall master it. We are all here in this forum to help and assist you along the way. We learn new things from each other every other day by sharing our knowledge and experiences.
 
Normally for such type of shots shooting on a tripod, I leave my f-stop at 5.6. I have observed that at f2.8 or f4 some details are lost at the edges. ISO I keep between 200-800 depending upon available light. Normally I do not exceed ISO 800 for city scapes to avoid noise. Shutter speed would again depend on the available light. For your above shot at ISO 400 it should be around 1 second to 1/8 seconds. Ev i adjust if necessary... Use cable release to take such low light shots.
Plus that helps to get a longer exposure on that water surface sometimes when you want it.
 
I kinda hate to do this but I am going to share a link here. I don't really get into city stuff personally but I do follow Sigma Sreedharen and I think she is wonderful. If interested you can follow this link and click on details if you want to see how she did a shot. She spends a lot of time at twilight...

 
I kinda hate to do this but I am going to share a link here. I don't really get into city stuff personally but I do follow Sigma Sreedharen and I think she is wonderful. If interested you can follow this link and click on details if you want to see how she did a shot. She spends a lot of time at twilight...


Thanks.
 
If you come across a scene like this with a sunset going nuts, one exposure just will not do it. Take the metered shot, then 2 stops up (for the dark areas) and 2 stops down (for the detail in the bright sky). Merge to HDR in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom should give a good base with detail in the shadows and highlights. When on a tripod and shooting a landscape, most photographers will set the lowest ISO possible, set the aperture at either f8 or f11 and focus 1/3 of the way into the frame. This would give the best chance of sharpness front to back. Sharpness issues here (if the foreground is bit nearer) will lead you to the wonderful world of "Focus Stacking". Google that for another bundle of photography fun! For metering - best to use evaluative and learn when to add or subtract light. Great that you intend to concentrate on golden / blue hr. However you did say "night" - a different ball game that will have you looking at wide angled fast glass (for Milkyway images). Hey! - - - more endless fun!
 
If you come across a scene like this with a sunset going nuts, one exposure just will not do it. Take the metered shot, then 2 stops up (for the dark areas) and 2 stops down (for the detail in the bright sky). Merge to HDR in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom should give a good base with detail in the shadows and highlights. When on a tripod and shooting a landscape, most photographers will set the lowest ISO possible, set the aperture at either f8 or f11 and focus 1/3 of the way into the frame. This would give the best chance of sharpness front to back. Sharpness issues here (if the foreground is bit nearer) will lead you to the wonderful world of "Focus Stacking". Google that for another bundle of photography fun! For metering - best to use evaluative and learn when to add or subtract light. Great that you intend to concentrate on golden / blue hr. However you did say "night" - a different ball game that will have you looking at wide angled fast glass (for Milkyway images). Hey! - - - more endless fun!

Thanks for the reply Neil. An HDR merge sounds like the way to go here...and yes I was looking for golden hour help, not night 😊
 
I also use HDR but if you try it, don't overdo it. I've seen some images where OTT HDR works well but mostly the ones that nobody can see that HDR has been done are the best.
 
Thanks for the reply Neil. An HDR merge sounds like the way to go here...and yes I was looking for golden hour help, not night 😊
Hi! It looks as if you are starting on great journey and have been given some great directions and suggestions in this thread. I am quite new here ;)and am encouraged by the support given by some fine photographers that frequent these pages.
 
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