Keep in mind mirrorless bodies are significantly less expensive to manufacture than DSLR. So net profit might be same as selling more D6. Nikon has been pretty clear they're after the high end market.
Official Nikon Z9 Launch, Info, and Discussion Thread
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Not to be a skeptic, but almost everything Nikon is on back order. Buying a Z9 means buying in to a new ecosystem for many of us. Will the lenses even be available with the camera? Or, will they be on endless back order?
For the a1 to reach 30 fps you must use specific lenses as well as jpeg or lossy raw. Wonder if the same is true for the Z9.
fcotterill
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first impressions by Grays of Westminster, they will have a longer discussion tomorrow afternoon (UK time)
Doug Herr
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I’m happy for all the Nikon users who’ve been anxiously pondering a system change. I’ll be watching for a Z8, ideally less weight than the Z9.
wildeheimat
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The Z9 only shots jpegs at 30 fps.
abc123brian
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I think that is an official roadmap so it looks like they are coming. Can't wait!
nevakee716
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I wonder if they put back the I press a button it change the autofocus area, when I released it come back to normal, like in the d500
They stupidly remove in z6, hope it will be there in z9
They stupidly remove in z6, hope it will be there in z9
zule11
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another interesting one... Z9 with 500pf and FTZII
Well, they've got my deposit, and "ships in 2021" means, if that promise is met, I've only got a maximum of 64 days to wait 
John Navitsky
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For me it's the same. Both of these cameras only do 20fps without compromises. When I was using the A1 I ran it in 20fps since I'd rather have the higher image quality than the frame rate. Obviously for someone who REALLY needs 30fps, perhaps Sony's 30fps has fewer compromises and thus works better for them.
That's sort of why I held out for the Z9 over the A1. I think Nikon tends to think more about these little handling/operational things that add up. While I'm sure I could adapt to the A1 startup time, it was slow enough that it would require me to change how I shoot. With my D500, I can flip it on as I raise it to my eye. With the A1 it requires me to power on a bit before and makes it harder to catch unanticipated opportunities.
I think that's likely the case. When you stream video to the media, there's no "cheating" with buffers, so you really rely on your media speed. This means your pathways _have_ to be fast enough to support that throughput. The other thing to consider is if your media path is fast enough you can cut back on buffer memory and reduce the cost of the camera. And it turns out they reduced the price of the camera.
You could always rent it. That's what I did. It's a super nice camera but I really wanted to see what the Z9 would offer before I decided.
I think that's a fair point, but I think Nikon _had_ to make this particular camera and I suspect while we can sit back and say they could have supported a smaller battery and then pros could add a battery grip that, from a very brass tacks design perspective, would have led them to make design compromises which would lead to compromises in performance or reliability, or add cost or whatever. Hard to say. Basically the camera they produced provides a path forward for EVERY d5 and d6 owner. The LACK of a path forward for those people is what makes those people consider abandoning ship. I suspect we'll see a z6iii and z7iii in maybe a year that maybe leverages the Exceed 7 but uses it with a conventional sensor that will fill the enthusiast role.
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That guy can't be a wildlife shooter. While talking kept pointing the lens upward during pouring rain. Duh...
zule11
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He is not... But you can see some interesting details in the video...
P.S. I like the strap very much
P.S. I like the strap very much
jeffvine
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Dec 15 from B&H
John Navitsky
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One thing I haven't seen any coverage on yet (but I have yet to view a lot of it) is low light performance. Anyone see any coverage of that? Steve's A1 review makes me hopeful it'll be fine, but I've seen some folks be concerned about the max native ISO. Thoughts?
-john
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Any idea when first shipments will be?
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In the presentation they said "...ships in 2021" and that's what I was told when I handed over my cash
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In the presentation they said "...ships in 2021" and that's what I was told when I handed over my cash
Pam Jensen
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Doubtful a “mistake”, but well played to retain and re-establish.
fcotterill
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Reading all the primary specs summarized on Nikon website(s) eg 10 x faster EXPEED7, highest sensor scan rate.... the whole that is the Z9 is clearly greater than the proverbial sum of the parts; the main bottleneck seems to be the write rate of the CFExp cards one chooses - as this chap summarizes.
Also note the improved AF hit rate of the legendary 200 f2G VR II on the Z9 compared to a D6 (albeit a human model walking in bright sunlight). This stunning fast telephoto is a challenge to focus consistently at f2.
Also note the improved AF hit rate of the legendary 200 f2G VR II on the Z9 compared to a D6 (albeit a human model walking in bright sunlight). This stunning fast telephoto is a challenge to focus consistently at f2.
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Did he sleep through the D3?That guy can't be a wildlife shooter. While talking kept pointing the lens upward during pouring rain. Duh...
As many of us have said before, due to my current Nikon glass investment, the Z9 doesn't have to be better than the others, it just has to be competitive. I'm confident that it is, so my money is down. I'm also very intrigued by the new unannounced 400mm and 800mm that are showing up in the updated lens road map. It all looks like a lot of fun.
fcotterill
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Yet another of the many videos I cannot bear to watch... too contrived and he sounded like he had shot up himself up with something rather strong
That guy can't be a wildlife shooter. While talking kept pointing the lens upward during pouring rain. Duh...
Did he sleep through the D3?
Kenny88
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Unless I missed it in this thread of 9 pages, I wonder if Steve is going to be picking up the Z9 and will do a review on it - I sure hope so - I trust him more than anyone for an accurate review and from a real wildlife photographer.
I also have Sigma 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | C, AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-80mm f/2.8-4E ED VR, AF-P NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E ED VR that I could use with the FTZ-II though I do not think they will give as nice an image.
Calson
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I shoot with two identical bodies as it provides me with the ability to change lenses less frequently and to have a prime telephoto on one body and a zoom lens on the other one. I also have a backup so if one fails I can use the other body and not need to take time to think about where the controls are located or which settings to use, especially autofocus settings, on the other camera.
At this point this camera pair are D850's with battery grips and the EN-EL18 batteries. I have a D5 for special situations and a IR converted D610 for landscapes. Investing $15,000 on the Z9 is not a decision I would make lightly. I would need to use the FTZ adapter with all my lenses and me using where I will be using a teleconverter as well. Where Nikon has screwed up in my estimation is in not producing a Z equivalent to the 500mm PF lens. It is my most used telephoto lens and while it may be possible to use it with the FTZ adapter it is far from ideal.
It also begs the question that if one needs to buy two new cameras and new lenses, then why not consider Sony and Canon and even the Olympus MFT systems as well. With Olympus my kit would be half the size and half the weight which makes overseas travel far simpler. My Nikon FX kit for Costa Rica and similar locations fits in a 32L backpack with a weight of 37 lbs whereas my wife's Olympus MFT equivalent kit fits inside a 18L backpack and weighs roughly 15 pounds. As an old photographer with an old body (my own) the 22 lbs of weight reduction is not trivial.
The new 24-120mm lens from Nikon is long overdue. The FX one I briefly owned was so lacking in sharpness that I quickly sold it and bought the Sigma 24-105mm lens. I do not recommend the Sigma as manual focus is not possible and the rotation is the reverse of the Nikon zoom lenses and it takes larger than 77mm size filters.
At this point this camera pair are D850's with battery grips and the EN-EL18 batteries. I have a D5 for special situations and a IR converted D610 for landscapes. Investing $15,000 on the Z9 is not a decision I would make lightly. I would need to use the FTZ adapter with all my lenses and me using where I will be using a teleconverter as well. Where Nikon has screwed up in my estimation is in not producing a Z equivalent to the 500mm PF lens. It is my most used telephoto lens and while it may be possible to use it with the FTZ adapter it is far from ideal.
It also begs the question that if one needs to buy two new cameras and new lenses, then why not consider Sony and Canon and even the Olympus MFT systems as well. With Olympus my kit would be half the size and half the weight which makes overseas travel far simpler. My Nikon FX kit for Costa Rica and similar locations fits in a 32L backpack with a weight of 37 lbs whereas my wife's Olympus MFT equivalent kit fits inside a 18L backpack and weighs roughly 15 pounds. As an old photographer with an old body (my own) the 22 lbs of weight reduction is not trivial.
The new 24-120mm lens from Nikon is long overdue. The FX one I briefly owned was so lacking in sharpness that I quickly sold it and bought the Sigma 24-105mm lens. I do not recommend the Sigma as manual focus is not possible and the rotation is the reverse of the Nikon zoom lenses and it takes larger than 77mm size filters.