Secondary body to pair with Z8

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Wade Abadie

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When I made the switch to mirrorless about 18 months ago, I made the call to sell all my DSLR gear in order to help fund the transition. For years, I always had two bodies, and now only have one (the Z8). This has been difficult and I frequently find myself wanting another body with a shorter lens while I’m out shooting wildlife. This body would have four purposes:

1. Animalscapes/environmental wildlife shots

2. Casual landscape shots while I’m shooting wildlife with the Z8

3. Close-ups when wildlife gets too close for my other setup

4. Emergency backup in case of failure of the Z8 while on a trip

Ideally, I would prefer to just get a second Z8 but that’s out of my budget right now (I’d like to stay around $1,500 if possible). I thought about the Z50 II but I don’t really want to go with a crop sensor. So I’m assuming my best option is a used Z6 II or Z7 II.

So BCG experts…what say you?
 
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I would rule out the Z6ii/Z7ii at this point, at least for myself. They don’t offer subject detection for wildlife, they don’t allow you to set a different AF area mode to custom buttons, and don’t have 3D if you use that. picking one up to shoot something when I need to change something in AF quickly or if i expected it to work similarly to my other bodies just caused frustration and brief confusion. You would be better served by one of the expeed7 bodies to get similar behavior from the body, even if it was a Z50ii. Any way to stretch to the Z6iii?
 
I'm not a Nikon shooter, but I'll say that there are uncountable advantages of having two (or more) identical bodies with the same buttons set to the same things (as nearly as possible). It cuts down on confusion and speeds things up. If you can't swing a second Z8 get one as close to a Z8 as you can find -- and don't automatically reject a used camera from a reputable dealer (MPB, KEH, Roberts, etc.)
 
I'd revisit the Z50ii considering it uses the EXpeed 7 processor. Yes it's a crop sensor but I often use DX mode to get more stretch with my 180-600 anyway so as a backup with certain lenses, it works. It's an excellent family/walkabout body with the 16-50 kit lens. I used it last night at a family holiday party. I don't plan on ignoring my Z8 for my birding trips but in a pinch the Z52 will have better detection settings than the EXpeed 6 ones. The price helped my decision.
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When I made the switch to mirrorless about 18 months ago, I made the call to sell all my DSLR gear in order to help fund the transition. For years, I always had two bodies, and now only have one (the Z8). This has been difficult and I frequently find myself wanting another body with a shorter lens while I’m out shooting wildlife. This body would have four purposes:

1. Animalscapes/environmental wildlife shots

2. Casual landscape shots while I’m shooting wildlife with the Z8

3. Close-ups when wildlife gets too close for my other setup

4. Emergency backup in case of failure of the Z8 while on a trip

Ideally, I would prefer to just get a second Z8 but that’s out of my budget right now (I’d like to stay around $1,500 if possible). I thought about the Z50 II but I don’t really want to go with a crop sensor. So I’m assuming my best option is a used Z6 II or Z7 II.

So BCG experts…what say you?
No advice but I agree that you shouldn't mix cropped and FF. There are many subtle (and not so subtle) optical differences that will make matching sets time consuming.
 
I was in your exact situation. I had two D850 bodies and sold them and all my F lenses to go all in on one Z8 (about a year and a half ago?). I have slowly built up to three Z lenses (upgrading a couple along the way) and a few months ago I bought an open box Z6iii as my second body. When I got mine it was $100 off for an open box demo, but current rebate is $300 off a brand new one. I am happy with it as the layout (both buttons and menu) are nearly identical to my Z8, so it is easy to go between the two. Also, the Z6iii body is bigger than the Z6ii / Z7ii, both of which are so small that I would be forced to buy a battery grip to use them comfortably. Even the Z6iii is a bit smaller than my Z8, which for my large hands is the ideal size. However, I made it work by adding a TopCine L Bracket that extends all the way to the end, essentially adding a quarter inch or so of height to the body.

Bottom line: I am happy with Z6iii and would recommend it, though at times I do wish I had a second Z8 which would be ideal if you can afford it. Z7ii is a good alternative if you don't use it for fast action, but mainly for wildlife portraits or landscapes. One note: if you get the optional battery grip for Z7ii it adds a lag to the startup time when the camera is asleep in power save mode.
 
i’d really try to hold out for the z6iii (over the ii cameras). the z50ii is an option as well if you rethink your stance on dx

i think it really is beneficial to stick with expeed7 based systems due to the similarities in their operating methods

using different systems can be disorienting and annoying, especially when used back to back
 
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I have a Zf to go with my Z8 and like the difference in controls. The Zf makes for a different experience with the dials setup and small primes which I enjoy. In a pinch it can still be used for birds and whatever else I need it for.

Menus are the same for each and I find the dials setup on the Zf very simple to use like analog cameras of the past. The sensor is also very good in the Zf especially in lower light conditions. I like that it looks like a film camera as it doesn’t scream steal me for traveling as well.
 
I have a Zf to go with my Z8 and like the difference in controls. The Zf makes for a different experience with the dials setup and small primes which I enjoy. In a pinch it can still be used for birds and whatever else I need it for.

Menus are the same for each and I find the dials setup on the Zf very simple to use like analog cameras of the past. The sensor is also very good in the Zf especially in lower light conditions. I like that it looks like a film camera as it doesn’t scream steal me for traveling as well.
Ditto for me (Z9 and Zf; sufficiently different that I don't confuse the controls). But try the Zf before you buy, with and without the SmallRig or other accessory grip as how the camera feels to hold is a big factor in choice. Personally - this is odd - I am fine with the Zf's hold, but cdn't get on with Z8 in the shop whereas the Z9 was a dream! Good luck in your choice.
 
Ditto for me (Z9 and Zf; sufficiently different that I don't confuse the controls). But try the Zf before you buy, with and without the SmallRig or other accessory grip as how the camera feels to hold is a big factor in choice. Personally - this is odd - I am fine with the Zf's hold, but cdn't get on with Z8 in the shop whereas the Z9 was a dream! Good luck in your choice.
Definitely a try with and without the grip is solid advice. For me as well the grips great on the Zf. I use mine with the smallrig and have had it handheld all day plenty of times. But ergonomics are different for everyone. I personally love the dials on the Zf as I set my cameras settings before raising to the eye so top screens or dials are how I prefer things.
 
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When I made the switch to mirrorless about 18 months ago, I made the call to sell all my DSLR gear in order to help fund the transition. For years, I always had two bodies, and now only have one (the Z8). This has been difficult and I frequently find myself wanting another body with a shorter lens while I’m out shooting wildlife. This body would have four purposes:

1. Animalscapes/environmental wildlife shots

2. Casual landscape shots while I’m shooting wildlife with the Z8

3. Close-ups when wildlife gets too close for my other setup

4. Emergency backup in case of failure of the Z8 while on a trip

Ideally, I would prefer to just get a second Z8 but that’s out of my budget right now (I’d like to stay around $1,500 if possible). I thought about the Z50 II but I don’t really want to go with a crop sensor. So I’m assuming my best option is a used Z6 II or Z7 II.

So BCG experts…what say you?

When I want a second body, my thought process is that the second body needs to be my primary camera some of the time. I want a camera body that is different enough to justify the investment.

If I'm traveling and investing $500-5000 in a trip - plus the days of time involved - I always want a backup camera in case of malfunction. I may want two backup cameras for some trips, but that could involve a significant compromise. In thinking about the impact of broken gear, I also think about the lenses. I want to carry a second long lens so the trip is not ruined by damaged gear. In the case of travel, your second camera can be a rental. I once used a film camera as a backup - and it turned out I needed the film camera. I've had several trips where my primary camera was damaged and I needed to use my backup, but only one trip where the second camera also failed temporarily and ruined a half day shoot (internal fogging after keeping my gear in a cold hotel room overnight - and my primary camera was already damaged).

It may be through mounting a different lens, but that also means carrying two cameras and two or three lenses most of the time. That means instead of a 5-6 pound kit plus a tripod some of the time, I've got a 15 pound kit with reduced mobility. If I'm mobile, weight is a factor and I don't want to be constrained by 10 extra pounds of gear.

In the field, I can usually live with a single camera and 1-2 lenses. It may cost me an hour of time, but I can usually go back to my car to swap gear if needed. I'm willing to walk a couple of miles to swap out gear if needed - but that is extremely rare.

I shoot a wide range of subject matter. My primary camera is usually the Z8, but the Z6iii is a very good alternative. The Z7ii was my prior backup camera, but I found it was never my primary camera. The Z6iii is a primary camera for events, casual bird photography, astro, some landscapes, and for video. The controls pair well with the Z8. I just added a Z50ii for my wife - replacing her Z50. It's a primary camera for her - even on paid shoots with me. The small size is excellent. It's a primary camera for her, and secondary for me in case of emergencies. Before the Z8, the Z6 was an adequate backup camera to the Z7ii as a primary camera. I've used all these cameras professionally.

In terms of options, I'd probably look at a Z6iii or Z50ii for backup if you want it to cover action and will use it a lot. If it's emergency only, the Z7ii or Z6ii are good cameras but short of the AF subject detection performance on the current cameras.
 
I didn’t mention the Zf as it tends to be either a love it or hate it on the retro design, but it is one of my favorite cameras. It is everything people wanted in a Z6ii as far as performance. The retro styling obviously changes the handling of the camera and it honestly lacks customizable buttons (it really needs a minimum of one additional but two more would make it perfect). There is also no joystick to move the AF points but it does let you use the screen as a trackpad to move the AF points. The sensor is the same as the Z6ii so the Z6iii is certainly faster with its partially stacked sensor. You can also set the camera up to not use the retro dials and it functions like a typical modern camera. Nikon has offered them refurbished for $1200 on sales which is a steal for one. If the retro styling is appealing to you, it’s certainly worth looking into.
 
I didn’t mention the Zf as it tends to be either a love it or hate it on the retro design, but it is one of my favorite cameras. It is everything people wanted in a Z6ii as far as performance. The retro styling obviously changes the handling of the camera and it honestly lacks customizable buttons (it really needs a minimum of one additional but two more would make it perfect). There is also no joystick to move the AF points but it does let you use the screen as a trackpad to move the AF points. The sensor is the same as the Z6ii so the Z6iii is certainly faster with its partially stacked sensor. You can also set the camera up to not use the retro dials and it functions like a typical modern camera. Nikon has offered them refurbished for $1200 on sales which is a steal for one. If the retro styling is appealing to you, it’s certainly worth looking into.
The controls are definitely not for everyone but if you're in the demographic who likes it it's one of the best out there currently and excellent for the price. It's definitely worth trying out to see if it works for you. I honestly think it's a more fun camera to use as well than my Z8. But my fun may be someone else's frustrating experience with the dials and the dual nature of Nikon trying to cater to the analog dials experience and the PASM experience in one camera.
 
I also wanted a backup/second camera for the types of situations you delineated plus family gathering and another camera to use with my grandchildren on photo excursions. I previously had the d850 and d500 and splurged and got the z9 selling my 2 d's. I ended up buying the z5 because of price and projected usage and have been quite happy with it. There are a few annoying differences in the button set up and functions like focus but nothing that a little time hasn't allow me to adapt to with limited difficulty.
 
I have 2x Z8 as the backup body…but if the Z6III had been available when I bought the second Z8 it would have been a difficult choice…it’s cheaper and a little smaller and thus better suited for a lighter weight kit. Wife has a Z50 and declined my offer of an upgrade to the II…but I’m still considering it as a light weight option for myself although I would likely use my FX lenses and that takes away part of the weight/size gain.
 
KEH has a z6iii used like new for $2k - hard to beat. Otherwise you’ll need to spend around $3200 for a used z8 at which point just get a new one for $3500 right now.

All the other options will disappoint now that your reference is the z8. And even the z6iii will feel limited and sluggish - just not nearly as much.
 
I am about to leave on a birding photo journey and am waiting and waiting for z8 repair from Nikon canada. No sign of its return for repair of the EVF eye sensor. I have a D850 but I shoot mainly video and have found the Z8 video capabilites and resolution much superior. So I am about to push the button on a replacement z6iii - which will also be a backup. I have a Blackmagic cine cam but it is too heavy for trekking around. No doubt the Z8 will arrive the day I leave. Thoughts?
 
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