Sony A9 and Nikon D500 for bird photography

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I shot these side by side for a year and I‘ve taken about 70,000 shots on the D500 and 50,000 on the A9. I’ve also used a D810, Pentax K3 and Panasonic G9 for birds.

Both have strengths and weaknesses as a tool; I don’t expect a tool to be good at everything. This is my experience as a bird shooter intent on capturing BIF.

Here's the summary: the Nikon is easier to live with once you’ve mastered it while the Sony IQ is more impressive.

Currently I use the A9 mostly with the Sony 400/2.8 with either TC having started with the Sony 100-400mm, and the Nikon with the Nikkor 500 PF (with the 200-500 f5.6 before that and also the Tamron 150-600mm G2). I understand that the Sony A9 II has had connection, body and colour changes which little affect my assessment of the model.

I also sometimes use a Sony A7R III (42 mpix) which adds noticeable extra detail to plumage while losing some AF performance.

AF

The Nikon is more reliable and generally a little more accurate. With small static birds the Sony regularly fails to get a lock full stop. This happens with the A7R III/IV as well and for this reason I wouldn’t recommend these for folk who need record shots. On this and other weaknesses see https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1664839/0?nc=1#15354065

The Nikon does a bit better at locking on a BIF against a busy background if you get the Group points on it while the Sony allows you catch something at the edge of the frame.

The A9 is easier to get a lock on a BIF with its spread of AF points but of course you still have to compose.

I don’t see any consistent difference in AF speed.

VF

When the light is OK the Nikon offers a big clear view. When the light is low the Sony is better.

The Sony is WYSIWYG so you instantly see under/overexposure and you can have overexposed points and focus peaking shown in its EVF. I find both too distracting for BIF. Sony’s dancing green boxes in non-tracking CAF obscure small birds and its resolution means you miss some detail while shooting.

Being able to shoot 10 or 20 fps without blackout on the Sony makes BIF easy – but I’d say once you’ve mastered a DSLR in keeping them in the frame this isn’t a big advantage. The D500 requires a kind of learned blindness where you stop noticing the blackout.

IQ

The Sony does better with detail, colour and DR as you’d expect. ISO 6400 is my limit cp 2200 with the D500.

Ergos & body

Sony buttons and body are not hand friendly to me. There’s no feel to AE-lock when it’s cold. It is however very customisable and it’s easy to put almost all the settings you need for BIF on one button and for portraits on another.

Sony dust and water protection are poor. The 9 II added gaskets to the doors.

My Nikon rig can be used comfortably for hours when I’m on foot or a rolling boat because it sits easily in the hand and most of the relevant controls can be used by feel. My Sony rig weighs 4.3 kg and that limits how spontaneous handheld shooting can be. Of course that can be lighter with the Sony 100-400mm which is wonderfully sharp for a zoom.

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Steve’s made the point that the user is 80% of a good photo and I agree.

I see 4 components behind a shot: gear, technique, patience and luck. Partly luck is a matter of time in the field and the better your technique and knowledge of the avian world the less you need luck.

There are a heap of bird pics on the internet that have loads of detail and good light but are instantly forgettable. They have no ‘moment’. Content is king.
 
There are a heap of bird pics on the internet that have loads of detail and good light but are instantly forgettable. They have no ‘moment’. Content is king.
This... so true, so much "same" out there... I'm only relatively new to photography and sharing those on Instagram and I've had a few comments about having a "different gallery"... what's the point of everything looking the same... boring and lacking substance!
 
Thanks for posting this! Really good read and my more limited experience with the a9ii echos much of what you have discovered. I haven't experienced problems with small perched birds though - although I haven't really photographed that many with the a9ii either.
 
Thanks Steve.
Yes, missing small perched birds is reported by a range of users and often by folk who've just moved from Canon or Nikon. It's frankly not much of an issue as the bird size in this case isn't going to make a photo with much impact but it does matter to birders who want a record.
 
Thanks Steve.
Yes, missing small perched birds is reported by a range of users and often by folk who've just moved from Canon or Nikon. It's frankly not much of an issue as the bird size in this case isn't going to make a photo with much impact but it does matter to birders who want a record.
Out of curiosity, is this because the camera doesn't like to focus on close targets or because the small birds are tiny in the frame? Most of my small birds are usually filling a nice portion of the frame and I'm not sure why the AF would fail in that instance. Thanks!
 
Thanks Steve.
Yes, missing small perched birds is reported by a range of users and often by folk who've just moved from Canon or Nikon. It's frankly not much of an issue as the bird size in this case isn't going to make a photo with much impact but it does matter to birders who want a record.
I had similar issues with my EOS R, low contrast focus issues with mirrorless seems to be a thing that a few people have reported on many systems....
 
Out of curiosity, is this because the camera doesn't like to focus on close targets or because the small birds are tiny in the frame? Most of my small birds are usually filling a nice portion of the frame and I'm not sure why the AF would fail in that instance. Thanks!
Because they're small. Small AF Spot might cover much of them. But I've had a Black Cormorant in bright sun fill much of the frame and get a lock the first time but not when I changed angle.
When AF fails with small birds it seems to me to jump to infinity pretty quickly and oddly in that case no AF point is recorded in EXIF. I can easily reproduce the failure with a plain vertical post or trunk about 10m away ( with other AF areas used too). One user reckons that happens when initial focus is too far out and the subject edges appear as blurry, failing to provide enough contrast for PDAF to work with. Certainly the only workaround I've found is to try to get a focus nearby and try again on the subject - if it's been good enough to wait.
What's different about Sony and Nikon is that Sony uses only line-sensor PD (which is less accurate than both cross-type sensors and contrast detect AF) and in CAF the dual mode of PD first to get in the ballpark and CD to fine tune the lock. It may be that in Sony the PD contributes less to getting the lock leaving more to CD, and what appears to be the case with CDAF in general is that it preferences more distant lock options.
CD is also done only in software and the algorithm is critical. Panasonic's last firmware update for the G9, which is CDAF only, offered the option to preference either the closer or more distant lock.
I believe close subject preference was (is?) part of Nikon's AF algorithm too.
 
Because they're small. Small AF Spot might cover much of them. But I've had a Black Cormorant in bright sun fill much of the frame and get a lock the first time but not when I changed angle.
When AF fails with small birds it seems to me to jump to infinity pretty quickly and oddly in that case no AF point is recorded in EXIF. I can easily reproduce the failure with a plain vertical post or trunk about 10m away ( with other AF areas used too). One user reckons that happens when initial focus is too far out and the subject edges appear as blurry, failing to provide enough contrast for PDAF to work with. Certainly the only workaround I've found is to try to get a focus nearby and try again on the subject - if it's been good enough to wait.
What's different about Sony and Nikon is that Sony uses only line-sensor PD (which is less accurate than both cross-type sensors and contrast detect AF) and in CAF the dual mode of PD first to get in the ballpark and CD to fine tune the lock. It may be that in Sony the PD contributes less to getting the lock leaving more to CD, and what appears to be the case with CDAF in general is that it preferences more distant lock options.
CD is also done only in software and the algorithm is critical. Panasonic's last firmware update for the G9, which is CDAF only, offered the option to preference either the closer or more distant lock.
I believe close subject preference was (is?) part of Nikon's AF algorithm too.

Interesting. I'll have to watch for those scenarios when I'm out with the a9ii - so far, it hasn't come up, but I haven't used the a9ii nearly as much as I had hoped to by now.
 
I shot these side by side for a year and I‘ve taken about 70,000 shots on the D500 and 50,000 on the A9. I’ve also used a D810, Pentax K3 and Panasonic G9 for birds.

Both have strengths and weaknesses as a tool; I don’t expect a tool to be good at everything. This is my experience as a bird shooter intent on capturing BIF.

Here's the summary: the Nikon is easier to live with once you’ve mastered it while the Sony IQ is more impressive.

Currently I use the A9 mostly with the Sony 400/2.8 with either TC having started with the Sony 100-400mm, and the Nikon with the Nikkor 500 PF (with the 200-500 f5.6 before that and also the Tamron 150-600mm G2). I understand that the Sony A9 II has had connection, body and colour changes which little affect my assessment of the model.

I also sometimes use a Sony A7R III (42 mpix) which adds noticeable extra detail to plumage while losing some AF performance.

AF

The Nikon is more reliable and generally a little more accurate. With small static birds the Sony regularly fails to get a lock full stop. This happens with the A7R III/IV as well and for this reason I wouldn’t recommend these for folk who need record shots. On this and other weaknesses see https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1664839/0?nc=1#15354065

The Nikon does a bit better at locking on a BIF against a busy background if you get the Group points on it while the Sony allows you catch something at the edge of the frame.

The A9 is easier to get a lock on a BIF with its spread of AF points but of course you still have to compose.

I don’t see any consistent difference in AF speed.

VF

When the light is OK the Nikon offers a big clear view. When the light is low the Sony is better.

The Sony is WYSIWYG so you instantly see under/overexposure and you can have overexposed points and focus peaking shown in its EVF. I find both too distracting for BIF. Sony’s dancing green boxes in non-tracking CAF obscure small birds and its resolution means you miss some detail while shooting.

Being able to shoot 10 or 20 fps without blackout on the Sony makes BIF easy – but I’d say once you’ve mastered a DSLR in keeping them in the frame this isn’t a big advantage. The D500 requires a kind of learned blindness where you stop noticing the blackout.

IQ

The Sony does better with detail, colour and DR as you’d expect. ISO 6400 is my limit cp 2200 with the D500.

Ergos & body

Sony buttons and body are not hand friendly to me. There’s no feel to AE-lock when it’s cold. It is however very customisable and it’s easy to put almost all the settings you need for BIF on one button and for portraits on another.

Sony dust and water protection are poor. The 9 II added gaskets to the doors.

My Nikon rig can be used comfortably for hours when I’m on foot or a rolling boat because it sits easily in the hand and most of the relevant controls can be used by feel. My Sony rig weighs 4.3 kg and that limits how spontaneous handheld shooting can be. Of course that can be lighter with the Sony 100-400mm which is wonderfully sharp for a zoom.

…………………

Steve’s made the point that the user is 80% of a good photo and I agree.

I see 4 components behind a shot: gear, technique, patience and luck. Partly luck is a matter of time in the field and the better your technique and knowledge of the avian world the less you need luck.

There are a heap of bird pics on the internet that have loads of detail and good light but are instantly forgettable. They have no ‘moment’. Content is king.
Considering the Sony A9 costs $4,000 and the Nikon D500 costs only $1,500, the Nikon is quite the bargain.
 
Yes. With the 200-500 mm you have a capable and cost-effective rig.

It takes significantly more to learn though for someone starting out on BIF - because of the blackout, the more limited spread of AF points and the non-WYSIWYG VF.
 
Considering the Sony A9 costs $4,000 and the Nikon D500 costs only $1,500, the Nikon is quite the bargain.
I think the relevant comparison is the Z6 II.

Sure you can take photos with impact with other cameras, including say M43 offerings from Olympus and Panasonic. They outperform FF mirrorless in being able to cache bursts* which is hugely useful for bird photographers. The trade-off is in noise and cropability.

*Pro Capture, Pre Burst.
 
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