Manual mode, auto ISO, -2 exposure compensation, the meter reads 0, not -2. The exposure IS -2 from what the camera thinks it 18% grey. The meter does NOT read say what the ACTUAL exposure is because the actual exposure is -2
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Yes... Because you're telling the camera 18% gray is actually 2 stops under what it thinks it is. So the camera uses that as it's 0 point in manual mode.Manual mode, auto ISO, -2 exposure compensation, the meter reads 0, not -2. The exposure IS -2 from what the camera thinks it 18% grey. The meter does NOT read say what the ACTUAL exposure is because the actual exposure is -2
If you turn off Auto ISO and all other Auto exposure modes it will.The meter should ALWAYS match the exposure..... thats kinda its job.
What purpose does a meter make if its always gonna read zero? lol
Youre acting like its perfectly logical and a meter reading something other than the exposure value is NOT logical at all.
The logical thing would be for the meter to read true just as it does in any other auto or manual exposure mode.
I dont want it to work as a general purpose light meter.... I want it to show that the camera is exposing 2 stops under when its set to expose 2 stops under.
Its simple.
No it does not. In aperture priority when I dial in -2 stops of EC it shows -2 on the meterTo be clear it DOES work the same as any Nikon camera in any other auto exposure mode including Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority. They both show a zero'd exposure meter when the auto exposure solution is achieved and within the floating parameter's range.
Well it's how Nikons work and have always worked from the film days through DSLRs and into Mirrorless. Some don't buy into that approach but there are other brands that handle this differently if it's too difficult to work with.
Which is why you don't need the meter at all now, since you can see your actual exposure...The old way may have made sense on SLR and DSLR cameras but it makes NO sense when we have EVFs with WYSIWYG.
You are correct and my apologies for posting from memory as my memory was clearly off on this one. I just pulled out a couple of my cameras and it does not behave as I described, sorry for that.No it does not. In aperture priority when I dial in -2 stops of EC it shows -2 on the meter
You are correct and my apologies for posting from memory as my memory was clearly off on this one. I just pulled out a couple of my cameras and it does not behave as I described, sorry for that.
In every auto mode (eg not manual) when you dial exposure compensation it displays the compensation amount.So how does it work in the different modes, with or without EC? Time for a summary after all the back and forth discussion.
Basically what's posted above, but to break it down further:So how does it work in the different modes, with or without EC? Time for a summary after all the back and forth discussion.
Basically what's posted above, but to break it down further:
- In Aperture or Shutter Priority mode there really isn't an Exposure Meter shown in the viewfinder, as in no meter that measures incoming light. If there's any exposure compensation dialed in there's a control indicator that shows how much positive or negative comp is dialed in and when exposure comp is set to zero it disappears. The viewfinder LCD elements used for that indicator are the same as what's used in full manual mode as the exposure meter but in Aperture or Shutter Priority modes those LCD segments serve as an indicator of how exposure comp is currently set. Basically in those modes the visual indicator serves the role of the circular dial that sat up top on many film cameras from different brands where you'd adjust exposure compensation and change the auto exposure zero point reference.
-In Manual Exposure Mode with fixed ISO those same viewfinder display elements act as an exposure meter and change as the amount of light reaching the camera's light meter taking into account lens and camera settings changes, IOW it's a real exposure meter in this mode. But it is also dual tasked, when you hold down the exposure comp button up near the shutter release it takes on its other role of control indicator and while the button is held down you see how much positive or negative exposure comp is dialed in. While the exposure comp button is depressed it no longer functions as a meter of incoming light, it just tells you how much exposure comp if any is dialed in. You get additional visual indicators while that button is held down that vary by camera, on the Z6II the 0 above the LCD 'meter' graphic blinks while you're making adjustments and in the D6 the 0 above that graphic disappears while adjustments are being made and in both cameras a small +/- graphic pops up while the display element is indicating a control change instead of acting as an active meter of incoming light. Also in both cameras a numeric value for the amount of exposure comp is shown while the adjustment is being made in addition to the graphic. If there is any non-zero comp dialed in the small +/- graphic remains after the exposure comp button is released and you resume shooting.
-Where it gets unusual to Wes's point is in Manual Exposure with Auto ISO. In that mode Nikon choses to display the meter graphic but it stays at zero unless you hit an auto exposure limit and then starts showing how much the exposure is out of range. But when you hold down the exposure comp button to make a comp adjustment it switches to its other mode as a control indicator just like it does in full manual, fixed ISO mode above so you see how much comp is dialed in only as you're making comp adjustments.
So it took me a while but I get Wes's point, Nikon could have chosen to program that graphic in the viewfinder to behave exactly like Aperture and Shutter Priority mode and only act as a control setting indicator and disappear when exposure comp was set to zero when operating in Manual with Auto ISO mode. And then when shooting Manual with fixed ISO go to the dual mode, exposure meter while shooting and exposure comp control indicator while adjusting. But that's not what they chose to do.
Yeah I get the point, it's an unusual user interface choice that doesn't add value and uses up a useful LCD element to show basically nothing unless you hit an auto exposure limit. But I guess I've been shooting with this philosophy so long now it just doesn't bug me. But sure from a consistency from mode to mode and making the most out of valuable viewfinder graphic space keeping it the same as what happens in aperture or shutter priority modes when shooting manual with auto ISO would make sense.
I didn't go through all the permutations of hitting auto exposure limits or running Nikon's Easy ISO adjustment method which I don't use but those are the basics.
Yeah…me too as on the BR sling while walking they got twisted a lot. Don’t have the 24-120 yet but the former ring might change it for that lens…at least until it screw me gain.on those lenses with a control ring, they're all set to "none" except the z24-120 were the ring is quite firm and harder to tap accidentally.
Rich, is it possible to lock exposure compensation settings on the Z9? I have accidentally changed exposure compensation on the Z9 many times. Never has happened to me on any other Nikon bodies and I’m sure it’s all my fault.Not that I have found. I find I bump controls all too often so I tend to "lock" them so I can not accidentally make adjustments. Makes setting adjustments more of PIA, but saves me from suddenly finding my my aperture is set to F/45 !
Hi Dr HawkRich, is it possible to lock exposure compensation settings on the Z9? I have accidentally changed exposure compensation on the Z9 many times. Never has happened to me on any other Nikon bodies and I’m sure it’s all my fault.
I'd double check that you don't have either Easy Exposure Compensation (menu item b3) enabled. Unless you have Easy Exposure Compensation enabled the camera will require both a press of the exposure comp button and a turn of the command dial to change compensation. That's not something that should happen by accident unless you're regularly pressing buttons near the shutter release and spinning dials at the same time.Thanks, Rich. I shoot almost exclusively in manual, most often with auto iso. But although I do try to pay attention and frequently use exposure compensation, I often find that the exposure compensation has been seemingly self-adjusted. This occurs most often in the heat of wildlife /sports sequences and appears to be related to attempts to alter f stop settings. Very frustrating as it has never been an issue on any of my other Nikon cameras and I’ve used them all. I’m sure its all my fault and probably something simple but I’m at a loss to explain my own ineptitude.
Much as I like the concept of using the 800 PF lens rings for various adjustments, especially exposure compensation, I've refrained because of the high potential to accidentally bump them while handholding the lens during action.I recently finished setting up my Z9 as recommended by Steve’s guide. I am predominately using manual mode with auto iso. I set the control ring on my 800mm pf for exposure compensation adjustments. I find that I occasionally bump it resulting in unwanted or unnoticed adjustments. Whether using the control ring or the command dial I noticed bright yellow indicators in the shooting display while making exposure adjustments but they are only shown in the display during the adjustments. Is there a way to make the yellow exposure adjustments always display? This way if you bump the control ring or forget that you made an exposure compensation for your last series of photos you are warned? Is there another warning that I am missing?