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i don't recall who posted this link in the 100-400 thread, but i think these guys are probably what i'd consider the successor to dpreview in my mind:

 
i don't recall who posted this link in the 100-400 thread, but i think these guys are probably what i'd consider the successor to dpreview in my mind:

Nasim Mansurov's reviews are solid IMHO, particularly for the F mount telephotos and Teleconverters. I've leant heavily on the comparisons of the E FL telephotos, and their results have been vindicated IME.

Their mtf data are useful, unique in fact, but they have changed the methodology with the Z mounts, so they are not comparable to the E and G data (eg 100-400 S versus 80-400 G). Spencer Cox has written most of the recent reviews. He's obviously working hard keeping up with all the Z System arrivals; this is where these new mtf data are not backward comparable, unless they re-test a pertinent F-mount lens in the new lab.

The recent 800 PF review was not up to the usual standard IMO but good they re measured the 800 f5.6E. I disagree with their comparisons between these 2 primes!

The recent outsourced field tests vary in depth and I find these less useful, compared to others, notably Steve's.

Last time I looked, the PL forum was distinctly quiet. Nevertheless, PL is one of the 3 primary sources I recommend for reviews of Nikon lenses
 
i don't recall who posted this link in the 100-400 thread, but i think these guys are probably what i'd consider the successor to dpreview in my mind:


Maybe for Nikon but for other manufacturers they are way behind. They don't even have a Sony A7r III review never mind anything newer. Pany and Oly have 2 body reviews each for very old cameras. Same deal on the lens side, all Nikon.
 
PL has been a Nikon site until quite recently. They tend to roll out a camera review in installments, once they have put in the days of testing, which is often while travelling.
 
I'll respond to both you and Ken and hopefully clarify my remarks.

DPR has a reputation for being a credible, well respected, unbiased and technically competent reviewer. Their reviews do have an overall positive tone, which adds to their appeal.

Their review is supplemented by a compare function/mode. which could quickly expose the warts on a particular camera (or any product). This graphically compares the pros, cons, advantages, disadvantages, strengths and weaknesses of similar products from two or more mfrs. At a glance, this comparison instantly flags the differences between two products and is a clever and useful way for DPR to give an accurate review without sounding biased, but still flag a camera's downside.
( Adorama/B&H has a similar method to portray this but for them the motivation is different .

So, I am merely saying someone may not like this type of reviewing, which leads us back to Amazon. After decades in business I find that their explanation to be problematic. Press releases and announcements are obviously meant to be affirmative and portray the company in a favorable light. I am however curious why Amazon would discard a seemingly valuable asset such as DPR, whose review section should be very profitable with reasonably skilled management. Why didn't they just sell it? Amazon may be completely truthful in their profitability reason but it makes me uneasy, based on experiences I have observed and the potential that DPR might possess.

For example, let's say a company has several divisions and Division A consists of four operating units and three return a profit of 10% and one unit contributes 2%. Division B on the other hand has four units and each one is breaking even, contributing zero %. The company then transfers the two percenter from Div A to Div B. The company's press release proudly announces that Divisions A and B have both become more profitable. Hoorah!!! But what really happened?? This example is obviously an oversimplification but the principle remains the same. The real reasons may be obscure.

So, basically what I am saying is that I question Amazon's explanation of why they discarded a well respected business that should be profitable if skillfully managed. Who knows the real reasons, but it would not surprise me to see DPR revived in a pay for play subscription service.

Sorry for the long dissertation but the DPR situation can be very complex with multiple visible and invisible factors in play.
You make a lot of very good points, also raise some great questions.

Hypothesis only...........

Amazon is cutting costs massively across the whole board, and is under pressure to increase revenue and profitably as are other major company giants around the world.

The increase in profitability and revenue comes from volume growth, margin, cost cutting.

Growth can come from innovation, new technology, acquisition.

All the for mentioned require hard decisions, a war chest, or access to abundant finical resources often being shareholders, to attract shareholders you need to be seen as growing or profitable.

DP Review despite being an excellent/brilliant much loved product, is to Amazon no more than selling off some surplus capital equipment, a bit like shutting down a video store in a declining industry, hard to sell the store, so closing is a better option. Who knows.

Also the camera reviewing market is heavily saturated especially on U TUBE, so being niche is become very critical as has revenue.

Was there an attempt to sell DP review, just shutting it down speaks volumes.

There is a lot going on here that we don't probably know about, but we just have to accept cost cutting seems the most plausible explanation, and these giants don't care for anything other than bottom line and share value, for the workers one day you have a job the next you don't, hey that's the world we have built.

I am seeing this with other major organizations, Air lines, banks etc, they are all drastically cutting costs, rationalizing, changing, adapting and focused on profitability, the big are getting bigger the small are getting out, i even see it with the giants of camping gear industry recently.

Could it be DP is shutdown, everyone goes and joins Peta Pixel, hence you draw in a few other like products, innovate, bingo, you have a consolidated profitable product, nice but i think that's not really a play here, for two reason,
1) The camera industry as we know is has been declining.
2) There are so many new young geeks doing reviews on phones phone cameras, drones, and all sorts of gear, its just overwhelming, also companies are now doing video and product reviews on so many of their own goods.

I love DP review, and the boys for what they have been doing, i feel they are nothing but a major asset going to Peta Pixel.

I do understand and feel going forward things will be a little tough and rocky, so many people are trimming costs and personal expenses, you now need almost a $50 note to do what a $20 note did 5 years ago, this is the feelings of many.

My neighbor with 3 kids and a husband, shopping bill has gone for $275 to $500 a week, in other cases fuel now is the largest cost next to a mortgage that has in cases doubled in repayments, this has to pipeline to the Amazon's and E bays of the world.

Remember its not just the the rich, powerful, and big that survive, its more the adaptable.

Only an opinion
 
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i don't recall who posted this link in the 100-400 thread, but i think these guys are probably what i'd consider the successor to dpreview in my mind:

They are very good but need to do more video rather than text
 
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as much as i like Chris and Jorden, i think of them more as the entertainment division of DPreview. i’m glad they found a new home but i don’t think the youtube channel was the primary value of dpreview
I hear you and respect what your saying.

in contrast i love their fun and comedy and entertainment YET

In reflecting for a moment i feel, Value adding to a presence on line with a little humor, fun, is well for me pleasant as it seems for most viewers, its also good for getting LIKES for ranking .........to me likes is currency.

I like the guys for their approach ability, bottom line very helpful take on things, and they do deliver much needed answers in a clear understandable way, not just forensically or in a super technical way that 95% of people wouldn't understand nor be interested in, that said, many professionals have the services of the camera manufacture to rely on.

I think the market is largely made up of general consumers looking for guidance, direction, trust, and a connection with understanding........this is all to enable them to make a decision, choice in what their needing or to buy.

As a generalization, Amateurs rely on their gear and often are obsessed about it, professionals don't care so much and focus on photography.


I love their recent clip where their packing up saying goodby to their loved ones and leaving home for a new carrier and destination, on the way they get told they are to work from home LOL.........well made clip and on a Panasonic if i recall correctly.........it makes them likable and watchable LOL.

If i want the ducks guts then Thom or others like him are a blessing, but where the action, money, market demand is, its with the 90% of consumers...........paying you with LIKES or even higher valued currency is Subscriptions the ace card in the eyes of revenue ranking.

What a world we have built.

If i want coal face hands on info help or guidance based on real photography then Steve is Hot, sharp real, informative, helpful.

Only an opinion
 
Also if there taking it down completely there has to be a specific reason i would think.
A) some one wants all that back log information.
B) as some feel it may be relaunched, directly or indirectly

Interesting times ahead........
 
I want all my personal information plus all posts wiped. I’m not sure if it’s possible
If the company is sold or merged with another, the mailing/subscriber list and all relative information forms part of the company usually as an asset, basically being like a customer base. I mean the internet laws are still evolving.

That said as long as the company contacts you to let you know it is being or has been sold or merged, offering you the opportunity to unsubscribe or continue to subscribe,
your past posts are not your property, you can make a request to have it removed from their web site, good luck.

Amazons intention to have DP removed completely, is strange, but it may have legal exposure or potential consequences should the subscriber data base or details be lost attacked or abused ? who knows.

Your option is always to unsubscribe or continue to subscribe.

As you know Once something is on the web its on the web.....and those in real power have by stealth full access to all your details anyway, happy days, don't worry.

Given the power and control of the internet over us and the way its evolving, Its not so silly to evolve and easily live under under a completely fictitious second identity, happily, many do.

Only an opinion
 
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Finale tv review
with the 58mm f0.95 Noct Nikkor

Sounds like its an amicable transition with Amazon embracing/supporting the move of the boys/team to Pet Pixel, i think reflecting back now it makes sense why Amazon will take down all the back log DP review footage completely, i would think it will move advertisers sponsors to go to Peta Pixel where the revenue will be needed.

I think it will be all good and a great transition going forward.

I disagree with JP about the boys should be going out on their own as independents cold from DP review, unless Amazon gives them cart blanch full DP content on going, it would be still a tough gig to carry the team financially, i mean the only thing they would save on is Amazons head office OH recovery charges, i don't think would not be that huge anyway.

Moving to PP would utilize further an exiting over head infrastructure, something the boys couldn't carry on their own even in a full DP WEB take over.

So yes going to PP it should cut costs, add content and profit to PP........it should make a small successful company bigger and stronger, PP is very much more about photography not just gear review, the boys will defiantly expand and compliment content at PP.

I feel the two things that are on the table going forward in the camera industry is 1) Video 2) the glass and gear to do it with.

Why, because the all mighty power above called the internet demands it.

Why has the camera industry gone hybrid as we know it, because it needs to.........glass, is its only real unique strength left for now.

Sooner or later the phones will attache to detachable lenses as we know it, i see it now in my skin clinic when they take macro images of a freckle in my ear by attaching a lens to an I phone and the image is viewable on a monitor instantly.

As to the Noct 58mm that's a whole different story............an extraordinary special unique lens, high price, high margin, a status symbol, to sell the overpriced 1.2 that the looks affordable by comparison. I could be wrong.

It reminds me of the feel and weight of the my Ziess 100 mm F2 macro. Stunning lens, yet the old 200 F4 Nikon Macro has less CA.

Only an opinion
 
Yep, they lost me in the 800pf preview
Nasim Mansurov's reviews are solid IMHO, particularly for the F mount telephotos and Teleconverters. I've leant heavily on the comparisons of the E FL telephotos, and their results have been vindicated IME.

Their mtf data are useful, unique in fact, but they have changed the methodology with the Z mounts, so they are not comparable to the E and G data (eg 100-400 S versus 80-400 G). Spencer Cox has written most of the recent reviews. He's obviously working hard keeping up with all the Z System arrivals; this is where these new mtf data are not backward comparable, unless they re-test a pertinent F-mount lens in the new lab.

The recent 800 PF review was not up to the usual standard IMO but good they re measured the 800 f5.6E. I disagree with their comparisons between these 2 primes!

The recent outsourced field tests vary in depth and I find these less useful, compared to others, notably Steve's.

Last time I looked, the PL forum was distinctly quiet. Nevertheless, PL is one of the 3 primary sources I recommend for reviews of Nikon lenses
I am interested in your views on their 800mm review. IIRC, you own both F and Z mount 800mm lenses. Thanks.
 
I am interested in your views on their 800mm review. IIRC, you own both F and Z mount 800mm lenses. Thanks.
Off topic a bit in this thread.... but I found the 800 PF review distinctly wanting - a few too many mediocre images IMHO, and look no further than the images of the condor attributed to the 800 PF + ZTC14. Something's wrong there. Further the comments on 800mm being "too specialized". This statement in the conclusions is rather wierd: "...The biggest issue is that it’s an 800mm lens with an f/6.3 maximum aperture! In short, it’s a highly specialized lens – maybe the most specialized Nikon Z lens so far aside from the 58mm f/0.95."

I'd phrase this caveat differently, and more on the positive aspects.... All the longer focal length super telephotos are specialized, in fact; but this gets pedantic and a side issue. For smaller birds, many of us find the ideal optic is not only a 800mm but often a 1120mm :)

My results confirm - to me at least - the 800 PF is closer in IQ to the 800 E. And the ZTCs' probably account for their 'balancing out' with the F and Z Teleconverters, particularly their respective TC14's.
 
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Off topic a bit in this thread.... but I found the 800 PF review distinctly wanting - a few too many mediocre images IMHO, and look no further than the images of the condor attributed to the 800 PF + ZTC14. Something's wrong there. Further the comments on 800mm being "too specialized". This statement in the conclusions is rather wierd: "...The biggest issue is that it’s an 800mm lens with an f/6.3 maximum aperture! In short, it’s a highly specialized lens – maybe the most specialized Nikon Z lens so far aside from the 58mm f/0.95."

I'd phrase this caveat differently, and more on the positive aspects.... All the longer focal length super telephotos are specialized, in fact; but this gets pedantic and a side issue. For smaller birds, many of us find the ideal optic is not only a 800mm but often a 1120mm :)

My results confirm - to me at least - the 800 PF is closer in IQ to the 800 E. And the ZTCs' probably account for their 'balancing out' with the F and Z Teleconverters, particularly their respective TC14's.

Why not post this question in the thread for the Z 800 f/6.3 PF
 
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