Canon R3 official details

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For many professionals, the vertical grip is important. Many magazines and other publications want vertical shots to fill their pages. This new Canon is obviously aimed at professionals as is Nikon's D6. As Steve states in some of his photo books, there are definite advantages to 24 MP over 30+MP. When you rate a camera according to your particular needs and usage, you pick will mostly likely differ from that of many other photographers.
 
For many professionals, the vertical grip is important. Many magazines and other publications want vertical shots to fill their pages. This new Canon is obviously aimed at professionals as is Nikon's D6. As Steve states in some of his photo books, there are definite advantages to 24 MP over 30+MP. When you rate a camera according to your particular needs and usage, you pick will mostly likely differ from that of many other photographers.
The thing is that you can always shoot a high MP body in crop mode if you don't need the high rez. But if you don't have the pixels you don't have them.
 
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I do hope this announcement inspires Nikon to give us more info on the Z9. I've seen rumors that according to people who've been testing it, the release will be another "D3 moment". Like any Nikon shooter, I'm just waiting.
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We got a news release announcing the Z 40mm f:2 - I mean, what else do you need? 🤣
 
They're saying that the AF tracking has significant improvements over the R5/R6. Also, with Eye Control, its possible to look at what you want to track and push a button. That would be very useful for sports or wildlife where there is a group of subjects. Switching from player to player or from one animal in the herd to another and still have tracking seems to be an extremely useful and unique feature. However, its yet another thing that cannot be evaluated on a spec sheet and until there's some hands on with this camera, its still tough to see it's full value.

I do hope this announcement inspires Nikon to give us more info on the Z9. I've seen rumors that according to people who've been testing it, the release will be another "D3 moment". Like any Nikon shooter, I'm just waiting.
I was really hoping to be able to see how the eye control AF works in the videos, but it seems the display information doesn’t transfer to the external recording units. The initial impressions are it works really well. It’s unfortunate the only way it seems to see it in action is to use the camera.

I‘m hoping the Zii firmware is released soon so we can see the improvements in tracking since the Z9 is still a month or so away
 
That was also my initial reaction but seeing that it is a HDR display and supposedly holds 120Hz and 5.7mp at 30fps it's actually not bad - time will tell.
The HDR spec of the EVF is only for the "OVF" mode where you lose your WYSIWYG feature. DPR video seemed to like the feature and I know there are some use cases for it like flash photography. But I wouldn't turn it on as I want my WYSIWYG.

That said the R5 EVF which is very likely the exact same as this panel except the R3 now has all the Eye-control AF sensors around it, is a pretty nice EVF and I like it as much as my A1 except I do prefer the 0.9x mag of the A1 over the 0.76 of the R5/3.
 
Keep in mind that cameras like this are often more the sum of their spec sheets. As compared to the a9ii, it's a heck of an upgrade for sure and it's probably close to the a1. Keep in mind the maximum frame rate for the a9ii is 20FPS and you have to go to 12 bit lossy compressed to pull it off. The R3 can do 30 lossless at 14 bit (according to Jeff Cable, a friend of mine who was testing it at the olympics). That in and of itself significant. Even the a1 can't do 30FPS with dropping to 12 bit lossy RAW.

In addition, we don't know how good the AF is. I can tell you that the R5 is incredibly close to the a1 for wildlife work. This camera will likely have better AF performance than the R5, so I predict it'll edge out the a1.

I do wish it had identical memory card slots, for this level of camera two different types is not ideal - but @ $400 for a 160 CFa card, at least the CFb cards for this camera won't set you back as much. :). Also, if you like having a grip, it does add $400 to the Sony cameras as well.

Also, 24MP isn't bad at all IMO. I shot the D5/6 for years and the D4 before that. Low MP is fine if you know how to use it (i.e. learn how to get close. don't crop, etc). I have hundreds of thousands of images at 20MP and have never had an editor balk at the resolution (although, admittedly, I don't do concentrate much on editorial work anymore) and have fearlessly made large prints as well.

The EVF is a bit less than expected. I had hoped for higher res and frame rate, but I suppose we'll have to see. The a1 EVF is so good I forget I'm looking at an EVF!

Still, overall, I think this one is a winner. I think $5500 is probably a better price, but I still think the R3 is going to impress. I may just go pre-order one :)

So Steve.......I'm needing to purchase either the R5 or the R3...can't buy both......so should I buy the R3 ??? (I'm getting too pre occupied by the megapixel thing ???). Yes, at the moment I have to crop more than I want, but that's only because I can't buy the 600mm F4 (nobody has it, been on back order for me for 3 months).....once I get that lens I anticipate little cropping. I have zero interest in sports. It's all wildlife and landscapes for me.
 
IIRC an R1 is in the works. How many megapixel will that one be?

All of a sudden it seems like people are down on high Rez. That seems crazy to me, maybe I’m crazy, what…. 🤔
 
IIRC an R1 is in the works. How many megapixel will that one be?

All of a sudden it seems like people are down on high Rez. That seems crazy to me, maybe I’m crazy, what…. 🤔
Folks playing old records in some cases. With new sensors their isn’t much if any negative higher iso performance with higher MP vs lower MP sensors. Also with lossless and compressed raw it has reduced the file sizes. Unless you are using an old computer there likely isn’t an impact to workflow. I know my 2017 imac has zero issues with the a1 or D850 files.
 
Folks playing old records in some cases. With new sensors their isn’t much if any negative higher iso performance with higher MP vs lower MP sensors. Also with lossless and compressed raw it has reduced the file sizes. Unless you are using an old computer there likely isn’t an impact to workflow. I know my 2017 imac has zero issues with the a1 or D850 files.
I agree. And when one downsamples 50mp to 24mp with modern sensors the differences in noise shrinks to nothing unless you get in the super high iso ranges.
i get that a photographer at the olympics who has to transfer thousands of files to an editor half way around the world, to have said editor sort through the files and pick winners for web display certainly prefers to work with smaller files - makes sense. But for our type of photography, I don’t see much downside to resolution besides needing bigger RAM and bigger disks in our computers :)
 
Folks playing old records in some cases. With new sensors their isn’t much if any negative higher iso performance with higher MP vs lower MP sensors. Also with lossless and compressed raw it has reduced the file sizes. Unless you are using an old computer there likely isn’t an impact to workflow. I know my 2017 imac has zero issues with the a1 or D850 files.
IIRC an R1 is in the works. How many megapixel will that one be?

All of a sudden it seems like people are down on high Rez. That seems crazy to me, maybe I’m crazy, what…. 🤔

I think there are still limits to the tech and the underlying physics. The size of the sensor is very important, but getting a faster frame rate and bigger buffer means sacrificing something, fewer megapixels can be read out faster than more megapixels.
 
The HDR spec of the EVF is only for the "OVF" mode where you lose your WYSIWYG feature. DPR video seemed to like the feature and I know there are some use cases for it like flash photography. But I wouldn't turn it on as I want my WYSIWYG.

i saw that after I posted. I’m like you, I couldn’t see myself giving up wysiwyg for normal operation.
 
I agree. And when one downsamples 50mp to 24mp with modern sensors the differences in noise shrinks to nothing unless you get in the super high iso ranges.
i get that a photographer at the olympics who has to transfer thousands of files to an editor half way around the world, to have said editor sort through the files and pick winners for web display certainly prefers to work with smaller files - makes sense. But for our type of photography, I don’t see much downside to resolution besides needing bigger RAM and bigger disks in our computers :)
Yea plus with post processing noise really isn’t an issue anymore.
For the sports photographers transmitting they are shooting and transmitting jpeg anyway.
 
I agree. And when one downsamples 50mp to 24mp with modern sensors the differences in noise shrinks to nothing unless you get in the super high iso ranges.
i get that a photographer at the olympics who has to transfer thousands of files to an editor half way around the world, to have said editor sort through the files and pick winners for web display certainly prefers to work with smaller files - makes sense. But for our type of photography, I don’t see much downside to resolution besides needing bigger RAM and bigger disks in our computers :)
well, one big downside in most cases is the additional cost. Comparing the Z6 to Z7 or R6 to R5 and the extra resolution costs $1000 more. If you don’t have a need for the extra resolution, it’s better to save the money. I agree there isn’t much if any of a downside from an IQ perspective; at least comparing the Z6 to Z7.
 
For many professionals, the vertical grip is important. Many magazines and other publications want vertical shots to fill their pages. This new Canon is obviously aimed at professionals as is Nikon's D6. As Steve states in some of his photo books, there are definite advantages to 24 MP over 30+MP. When you rate a camera according to your particular needs and usage, you pick will mostly likely differ from that of many other photographers.

With 50MP I can crop to vertical and still have pixels to spare. I have little to no use for a vertical grip.
 
well, one big downside in most cases is the additional cost. Comparing the Z6 to Z7 or R6 to R5 and the extra resolution costs $1000 more. If you don’t have a need for the extra resolution, it’s better to save the money. I agree there isn’t much if any of a downside from an IQ perspective; at least comparing the Z6 to Z7.
Yeah but the R3 ain't cheap. I'm sure it is a great camera but why not have higher res if they can?
 
I think there are still limits to the tech and the underlying physics. The size of the sensor is very important, but getting a faster frame rate and bigger buffer means sacrificing something, fewer megapixels can be read out faster than more megapixels.
Maybe the R1 will have both? Will pros go for the R3 if a 60MP version is available?
 
Just released. Looks good but for the price it should have a higher MP sensor.

few things from reading the specs. It basically is their take of a Sony a9II. They should have put dual matching card slots, the EVF refresh rate is equal to a9 but half the speed of the a1. Shooting speed is equivalent to a1 however at less than half the MP. Price is $5999 which isn’t crazy but that’s $1,501 more than the a9II. This sets up the R1 or whatever they call it flagship to be a higher MP body but at what price? I’m thinking that might end up being a $8k body! Starting to make the a1 look like a deal.
https://www.canonrumors.com/here-is...34XBLxgdLmpteCm1E0OKp3-Sca6dW46UFHGPj4cWcuU50
I knew the A1 was a good deal soon as I looked through the EVF :love:
 
Yeah but the R3 ain't cheap. I'm sure it is a great camera but why not have higher res if they can?
The R1 which hasn’t even been announced will chase the a1 but likely be $7-8k. But Sony isn’t done you know they have another a1MK2 in the works, the a9III I suspect comes out within 5 months and the a7r5 will come out next year. So the chase will be on.
 
Yeah but the R3 ain't cheap. I'm sure it is a great camera but why not have higher res if they can?
It is interesting that Canon chose to build the R3 with 24MP when the A1 and Z9 are higher resolution. I would assume their market research showed a need. It may also have something to do with Canon dominating the sports market. I was hoping it would have been a little cheaper as this means the R1 will likely be $6999.
 
Maybe the R1 will have both? Will pros go for the R3 if a 60MP version is available?

I don't think you can have both. You can't read out 60 megapixels fast enough to do it with no blackout and 30 frames per second. Until maybe a global shutter comes along that reads out so rapidly it becomes possible.
 
The bad news in all that is actually that there is now no way the Z9 will be less than $7000 and I wouldn't be surprised if it is closer to $8000 depending on whether it edges the A1 in any area or in many areas.
 
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