Canon R5ii & R1 : First Impressions

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ajrmd said:
I don't think that I was trying to compare the entire market, rather the intent was to present one possible explanation for corporate decision making. Could Canon have produced a body which would have eclipsed the A1? Based on their broad based technologies, the answer is probably affirmative, though at what cost and yield. So, instead they produced a couple of products which are at near parity. A win? That depends on for whom. The R1/R5 do not appear to advance the market much in terms of technology though users of the R5 and R3 will likely appreciate the relative upgrades. Canon likely gains profit and continues to maintain market share largely through its entry pipeline in Asia, though I doubt many users will switch because of these releases.
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I assumed that chart represented the whole mirrorless market? It didn't have a legend.
 
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fcotterill said:
And the quad-pixel AF in the R1 is a first. This should improve focus discrimination in the vertical access.

Canon's Big Day | Sans Mirror | Thom Hogan

Canon announces the R5 II and R1 mirrorless cameras
sansmirror.com sansmirror.com
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Thom presented a rather fair analysis based on the information at hand and he tried to weave in quite a few narratives including Rudy's discharge. This seems to dovetail into some of the observations presented earlier.
 
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This early R5 Mk II wildlife video is interesting. In answer to a ‘what lens is this?’ question, the response was ‘it looks like the RF 600mm f4’.

Of particular interest to me are these R5 Mk II features. I’m waiting for field reviews to see how these features - some new, some available previously - are evaluated.

-DIGIC Accelerator assist with subject tracking and recognition
-Cross type dual pixel AF
-Eye AF
-Low light performance and neural net noise reduction
-Pre-capture
 
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RikWriter said:
But is the R1?
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"The EOS R1 is a mirrorless camera geared toward professionals that brings together Canon’s cutting-edge technology and combines top-class performance with the strong durability and high reliability sought in a flagship model. .."

Canon's announcement says it is a Flagship.
 
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R5mkii is undoubtedly capable camera probably close enough to A1, with extra feature being pre-capture.

The lens' lineup for wildlife leaves a lot to be desired, unfortunately :-( No middle tier primes like 400 4.5, 600/800PF or even Sony's 300mm GM. Canon covers high end/heavy and low end (600/800 F11) with nothing in the middle. Very limited IMO and 100-500 + 200-800 don't make up for it, in my mind.
 
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Nimi said:
I agree. On the surface, it has no advantage over the Z9. Unless you're in the RF ecosystem (Red users) or have a strong preference to Clog and Craw over the N counterparts.

R5 was actually my "next camera" after switching to FF mirrorless, but it overheated on my first shoot so I went all-in with Nikon.
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The 5ii seems to have added false colour display and the CLog3 is very nice, nicer than Nlog - time for Nlog2 or Red raw. Also, folks over on FM are claiming that the Raw video is 14bit but I wonder if that is correct? That aside I would say it has achieved video parity with the Z8. Big improvements in stabilisation are claimed which if true will be great for hand held video.
Overall the 5ii seems to be a fantastic thing and the AI capabilities have hopefully put it at the top of the AF heap and such advances will be matched or exceeded by competitors. Goodness, the price marches ever higher though!
 
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Alistair said:
The 5ii seems to have added false colour display and the CLog3 is very nice, nicer than Nlog - time for Nlog2 or Red raw. Also, folks over on FM are claiming that the Raw video is 14bit but I wonder if that is correct? That aside I would say it has achieved video parity with the Z8. Big improvements in stabilisation are claimed which if true will be great for hand held video.
Overall the 5ii seems to be a fantastic thing and the AI capabilities have hopefully put it at the top of the AF heap and such advances will be matched or exceeded by competitors. Goodness, the price marches ever higher though!
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I missed false color. That's very significant. And Canon colors were always the best of the heap. I'm, too, hoping for better Nikon log and raw, ideally imported from Red. The specs say 12bit in Prores I think.

I have on order a C400, so I'll need some RF glass and I'll then take a look at the R5ii, or maybe and R5Cii if they make one.
 
txstone said:
www.techradar.com

I tested the new Canon EOS R1 for sports photography – and it's a powerhouse, in the right hands

The highly anticipated flagship model delivers next-level speed on all fronts
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com

I see Thom Hogan (above) lists Canon R1 features including Quad Pixel AF. Canon USA shows both the R1 and R3 MkII with Dual Pixel CMOS AF.
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I think the quad pixel shorthand refers to the cross type autofocus. This was the fine print on the specs:

* Dual Pixel CMOS AF has been vertical-line detection only with previous models, but the EOS R1 can perform not only vertical-line detection but also horizontal-line detection by rotating the pupil division direction of the Gb pixels of the CMOS sensor by 90 degrees.
* Cross-type AF functions under the conditions indicated by “Yes” in the table below during still photo shooting (not supported during movie recording).
* Cross-type can be performed in the whole focusing area.
* Cross-type does not function (vertical-line detection only) during movie recording, when using Preview AF, when using Focus guide, when the image flickers under fluorescent lighting, LED lighting, or other flickering light sources, and when operating the SA control ring of RF100mm F2.8 L MACRO IS USM.
 
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MarkG said:
I am curious why you think A1 is a much better bird camera than Z8/Z9. Thanks! I also have A1 (with 100-400 and 200-600) and also like it a lot, but have been envious of the 400 4.5 and 600PF in Nikon system because I often find 800mm or even longer useful (and for that I use OM-1mk2 + 300mmPRO + 1.4TC). I recall you really liked 300GM + 2xTC in another thread, but it tops out at 600mm. I do wish Sony made a 400, 500, or 600mm prime with F5.6-6.3 to compete with Nikon. I love the customization options on Sony.
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For me it is just a lot of little things added together that make me love using the Sony over the Nikon and Canon alternatives. Things like number of custom buttons, customization options for those buttons, zebras in stills, the selection of AF modes and the ability to use Tracking or non-tracking, and overall I still feel the Sony AF is better for what I shoot.
The Z8/Z9 are still awesome cameras for birds and if the lenses are calling to you it could be a better option. The 400/4.5 and 600PF were calling to me a lot until I got the 300GM...now I have no lust for those anymore. I wouldn't have intended to use the 600PF with a 1.4TC anyways as f/9 is too slow for 90% of my subject matter. So topping out at 600mm with the 300GM/2x is fine for me. I have the 600GM if I need 800/1200 in a pinch.
 
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Dave63401 said:
The highest I can find for video in the 25 page spec I linked above is 10bit.
The RAW stills are listed as 14 bit in one place on that document. HTH
Dave
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Yeah, that sounds more realistic. H265/4 likely to be 8 and 10 bit, raw video 12 bit and raw stills 14 bit.

Edit: I should add that I am only making a semi educated guess here, happy to be proved wrong! That document, despite running to 25 pages, doesn't give the bit depth for raw video that I can see.
 
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R5ii ≅ Z8 ?
R5ii + battery grip ≅ Z9 ?
R1 ≅ Z… ?
Put differently — more appropriately?! —will the R1 attract pro/advanced wildlife photographers?

In Pangolin’s video (post #1), Janine seemed less than enthusiastic, but Guts was contemplating retiring his supersized DSLR in favour of an R1.

Jan Wegener is also not sure whether to purchase an R1. Wow!
 
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Alistair said:
Yeah, that sounds more realistic. H265/4 likely to be 8 and 10 bit, raw video 12 bit and raw stills 14 bit.

Edit: I should add that I am only making a semi educated guess here, happy to be proved wrong! That document, despite running to 25 pages, doesn't give the bit depth for raw video that I can see.
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I just found on the overview page of Canon USA for the R5 that RAW video is 12 bit.
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8K RAW VIDEO

RAW video can be recorded at 8K resolution, and there’s now an S-RAW setting for 4K RAW video recording. RAW video is now 12-bit recording, for an even greater range of tonalities. For users who don’t need RAW video, MP4-type video can be recorded in a multitude of possible file types and resolutions, from Full HD at up to 240 frames per second, 4K at up to 120 frames per second with sound and 8K up to 60 frames per second. "
 
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Is there a link which suggests that pre-capture is RAW vs. .jpg? Nothing in Canon’s release information or other reviews seems to provide a definitive answer.
 
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ajrmd said:
Is there a link which suggests that pre-capture is RAW vs. .jpg? Nothing in Canon’s release information or other reviews seems to provide a definitive answer.
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From : https://britishcinematographer.co.u...d-advanced-eos-r5-mark-ii-mirrorless-cameras/

The cameras newly feature a pre-continuous shooting function offering up to 20 frames (for EOS R1) and 15 frames (for EOS R5 Mark II) to be captured in HEIF/JPEG or RAW format at any frame rate before the shutter is pressed, allowing the key moment to be captured even if it was missed

I know nothing of the accuracy of that website. HTH
 
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