Canon R5m2 & R1 : First Impressions

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David Berry said:
... will the R1 attract pro/advanced wildlife photographers?

In Pangolin’s video (post #1), Janine seemed less than enthusiastic, but Guts was contemplating retiring his supersized DSLR in favour of an R1.
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There's not enough in the R1 to entice me. It has some handy features but 24MP won't do when the other two major brands have double the MP, and the R1's size is exactly not what I'd be interested in; compared with z8 or a1 it might as well be as supersized as a DSLR. IMHO its target users aren't wildlife photographers, at least not this wildlife photographer.
 
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ajrmd said:
Is there a link which suggests that pre-capture is RAW vs. .jpg? Nothing in Canon’s release information or other reviews seems to provide a definitive answer.
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All the reviews I've watched now say it is in RAW...I've even seen the menu showing it in one of the videos. This is for both R1 and R5II. Fro talks about it, Jan talks about it, Gordon at Cameralabs talks about it, Petapixel talks about it.
I was confused this morning when I saw DPReview article list jpeg only in a spec list but they didn't actually write about it in the article itself.
It is for sure RAW and doesn't use the stupid zip file anymore. Big win for these cameras in a sea of losses.
Downside is it is a fixed 0.5s with no adjustability to that duration.
 
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I will say if you guys haven't watched Fro's R1 video you should watch the section showing the new Sports modes for Volleyball, Basketball and Soccer. He tested the Basketball setting and OMG...that is some amazing AF where it automatically goes to the face/eye of which ever player has the ball. I was really impressed with that. Fro says the camera was finding the player with the ball before his brain had figured it out. If I was shooting one of those sports for a living which involves a mess of players all over the place, this one feature alone would have me looking at an R1 regardless of which system I was already shooting.
 
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arbitrage said:
I will say if you guys haven't watched Fro's R1 video you should watch the section showing the new Sports modes for Volleyball, Basketball and Soccer. He tested the Basketball setting and OMG...that is some amazing AF where it automatically goes to the face/eye of which ever player has the ball. I was really impressed with that. Fro says the camera was finding the player with the ball before his brain had figured it out. If I was shooting one of those sports for a living which involves a mess of players all over the place, this one feature alone would have me looking at an R1 regardless of which system I was already shooting.
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From everything I've seen, the R1 is now a pure pro sports body.
 
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I'd love to see a review by Steve of the AF performance of A1 vs Z9 vs R1 for fast moving subjects like sport or birds. Being a Nikon shooter for a long time, I've always wondered what it was like on the Canon side of the fence. A mate of mine from the UK told me that at one stage Canon went to many Nikon sports shooters in UK and bought all their Nikon gear for a price high enough that they could do a like for like replacement of Canon gear.
 
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MarkG said:
Well, OM-1 had introduced the quad-pixel AF two years ago.
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Thanks for this correction
So the R1 introduces the first quad-pixel AF for full frame (FX).

Judging from my experience of AF advantages of the D6 over the Z9 and D6, the R1 should get beyond the pesky grabbing the background of most MILC On-Sensor autofocus.
 
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Old versus New
R5i versus R5ii …​

Canon R5 : Mark 1 & Mark 2
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Link to Canon Australia's comparison of the R5 i and the R5 ii.
  • Lists the top twelve upgrades.
 
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arbitrage said:
I will say if you guys haven't watched Fro's R1 video you should watch the section showing the new Sports modes for Volleyball, Basketball and Soccer. He tested the Basketball setting and OMG...that is some amazing AF where it automatically goes to the face/eye of which ever player has the ball. I was really impressed with that. Fro says the camera was finding the player with the ball before his brain had figured it out. If I was shooting one of those sports for a living which involves a mess of players all over the place, this one feature alone would have me looking at an R1 regardless of which system I was already shooting.
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Yes, pretty amazing to say the least and as a former pro sports photographer, 24 MP is more than enough. Combine the Canon AI AF with the A9III global shutter and bam - the ultimate for the modern day sports photographer.
 
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fcotterill said:
Thanks for this correction
So the R1 introduces the first quad-pixel AF for full frame (FX).

Judging from my experience of AF advantages of the D6 over the Z9 and D6, the R1 should get beyond the pesky grabbing the background of most MILC On-Sensor autofocus.
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Sort of....Canon is not calling it QPAF....they are calling it DPAF with additional X-type sensors. I haven't found the exact way it is being done. Fro mentions it briefly in his R1 video and shows the Canon spec sheet showing DPAF and not QPAF. It will be interesting to find out what they are doing with the sensor for this feature. This is one of the differentiating factors between R1 and R5II.
 
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ajrmd said:
Yes, pretty amazing to say the least and as a former pro sports photographer, 24 MP is more than enough. Combine the Canon AI AF with the A9III global shutter and bam - the ultimate for the modern day sports photographer.
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Influencer marketing fluff aside (Fro, not you), it seems Canon understood its market and customers quite well, and managed to build a true flagship. We shouldn't forget that historically flagship bodies never were high MP. I assume lower MP make all the AF sorcery possible. As other prolific online photographers put it back the day, "there is a reason all the "pros" switched form Nikon to Canon". Not that I agree with that, far from it, but all memes and rumors usually include at least a kernel of truth.
 
David Berry said:
I’ve handled both cameras today. I asked the Canon reps and was assured that both R1 & R5ii can record pre-captured images in either jpeg or raw.
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I've been all over every spec sheet. All they say is you can use pre-continuous shooting while in raw or jpeg mode, but it never says if the resulting files are raw. It doesn't say they are not raw either. You'd think they would mention since it would be a big deal if raw. But seem to artfully dodge answering. One cool thing if I read it right is you have to have pressed long enough to record 20 shots, else it does normal shooting. Cool because maybe you want to leave precapture on, but not write 20 pics every time.
 
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bleirer said:
I've been all over every spec sheet. All they say is you can use pre-continuous shooting while in raw or jpeg mode, but it never says if the resulting files are raw. It doesn't say they are not raw either. You'd think they would mention since it would be a big deal if raw. But seem to artfully dodge answering. One cool thing if I read it right is you have to have pressed long enough to record 20 shots, else it does normal shooting. Cool because maybe you want to leave precapture on, but not write 20 pics every time.
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According to an answer to a question, the B&H staff said it is raw:
 
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bleirer said:
That's the part that is.not clear in the specs. Yes as the BH says same as the specs say that you can shoot "pre-continuous" while in raw or jpeg, they never says if it writes as raw. Would be cool if it is raw.
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It saves in RAW. I asked Jan Weganer and he confirmed it saves RAWs. Every other review I've watched says RAW...if it wasn't actually saving it in RAW people would be mentioning that limitation and that would be some shady wording saying you can use it while shooting RAWs but it doesn't actually save in RAW...never heard of any camera doing that.
 
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arbitrage said:
and that would be some shady wording saying you can use it while shooting RAWs but it doesn't actually save in RAW...never heard of any camera doing that.
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i don’t disagree with your assertions, but there are some wonky caveats with these cameras along these lines. evidently the raw noise reduction processes the raw, but writes jpg for example (reference: the petapixel podcast video i linked earlier in this thread)
 
arbitrage said:
It saves in RAW. I asked Jan Weganer and he confirmed it saves RAWs. Every other review I've watched says RAW...if it wasn't actually saving it in RAW people would be mentioning that limitation and that would be some shady wording saying you can use it while shooting RAWs but it doesn't actually save in RAW...never heard of any camera doing that.
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Cool, then, I think making it the first full frame RAW precapture?
 
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