D850 in 2020? or should I go Mirrorless

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Hello everyone, After being called a Troll on another photography forum I'd try my luck here.

I currently, shoot with a D3300 and have for 3 years and I feel like I hit the limit on the camera the ISO performance, AF, Durability, and so on. It has been a great camera but I'm looking to upgrade to the D850. I mainly shoot landscapes, some portraits, and Wildlife, The thing I hear about the D850 is the megapixel count on the D850 as this allows better cropping when shooting wildlife especially BIF

However, I hear everyone talking about Mirrorless and that DSLR is dead and money is best spent on Mirrorless. I don't really shoot video at all and don't see that in my future at least not now. Also is seems like mirrorless is too expensive right now but I don't want to put money into DSLR if they are "dead" as a lot of people say.

Any suggestions if I should pick up a D850 or finally go mirrorless as this is the future And DSLR's are dead
 
Just because the trend is heading towards mirrorless does not mean that mature technology like DSLR's is dead. There are pros and cons to going each way, and some of that also involves your personal shooting preferences. But if you are heavily leaning towards more MP just to crop, I think that you might be disappointed. Yes, you can crop, and a D850 in DX mode is about the same MP as a D500, but too much cropping is not a substitute for getting close. The other question I would ask is what lenses do you have and what do you wish to purchase? Z series lenses are not as abundant, but their IQ has been a notch up given that the designers are a bit less constrained in the new mount. If you do not have a big investment in glass for your DSLR, then maybe this could tip you more towards a mirrorless body. Then again, if you do a lot of BIF, you may not be happy with the Z's AF system.

Good luck,

--Ken
 
I replied to you over DPR, but it short buy what's best for your use case. DLSR's won't stop working, they still take great pictures. Do you want the feature set of mirrorless or the AF of DSLR... and a bunch of stuff in between.
 
If you don’t have a lot of money tied up in glass, I would suggest moving to mirrorless. Of course, DSLRs will continue to take great photos (and the d850 is hailed as one of the best ever made... I love mine) but mirrorless is definitely the future. It will cost you a lot more if you buy a high end DSLR now and a nice piece of f-mount glass (the d850 really needs to be fed good glass) and decide to mive to mirrorless in a year or two, than just going to it now. I believe the z7 cost less than the d850 and may come down now that the mark 2 has been announced.
 
Depends on your glass ..as there is no DX only long glass then you might be OK The D850 is superb particularly if you buy grey try www.e-infinity.com always buy my stuff from them. If you want to keep the price down a Tamron 100-400 is light and cheap and gives great IQ. I hav had the tam G1 150-600 (junk) and Nik 200-500 (fantastic but heavy) don't forget to do the fine focus adjust and if you shoot JPEG up the sharpness to +9 as nikons always come set soft from the factory ( +3)
PS the foot from a nikon 80-200 will fit it for $20 with a new clamp screw
 
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Hello everyone, After being called a Troll on another photography forum I'd try my luck here.

I currently, shoot with a D3300 and have for 3 years and I feel like I hit the limit on the camera the ISO performance, AF, Durability, and so on. It has been a great camera but I'm looking to upgrade to the D850. I mainly shoot landscapes, some portraits, and Wildlife, The thing I hear about the D850 is the megapixel count on the D850 as this allows better cropping when shooting wildlife especially BIF

However, I hear everyone talking about Mirrorless and that DSLR is dead and money is best spent on Mirrorless. I don't really shoot video at all and don't see that in my future at least not now. Also is seems like mirrorless is too expensive right now but I don't want to put money into DSLR if they are "dead" as a lot of people say.

Any suggestions if I should pick up a D850 or finally go mirrorless as this is the future And DSLR's are dead

LOL the new fashion, ask or say something different and be prepared to be called a Troll.
None the less..
I really think you should do a bit more homework yourself.
It’s easy to ask opinions but you get opinions based on personal experiences, needs and methods.

I am a big old stubborn fart with very large hands and tunnelvision shooting (D)SLR my whole life.
Do you think I’m going to recommend you a mirrorless matchbox with its synthetic shooting experience over a beautifull crafted full grown DSLR with its organic shooting experience?
(As a matter of fact I would, just pushing it to illustrate how and what to expect from this kind of questions/answers LOL)


Anyway I will give you my 2 cents.

You want to upgrade from an entrylevel D3300 to a high-end D850.
Off course you included the fact you need a powerfull PC with a lot of storage and the fact you’re switching from DX to FX probably asking for an extra investment in (a) lens(es).
Well you’ll be overwhelmed with the performance of the D850.
Good choice!
Mirrorless? looking at your preferences (I don’t see fast action and I take you want to stay with Nikon)
Better choice imo IF you go for the Z7(II) about the same price but future proof for investments (lenses) to come.
Pick your poison, both systems are able to produce fantastic results and they will coexist for a long time to come.[/I]
 
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Hello everyone, After being called a Troll on another photography forum I'd try my luck here.

I currently, shoot with a D3300 and have for 3 years and I feel like I hit the limit on the camera the ISO performance, AF, Durability, and so on. It has been a great camera but I'm looking to upgrade to the D850. I mainly shoot landscapes, some portraits, and Wildlife, The thing I hear about the D850 is the megapixel count on the D850 as this allows better cropping when shooting wildlife especially BIF

However, I hear everyone talking about Mirrorless and that DSLR is dead and money is best spent on Mirrorless. I don't really shoot video at all and don't see that in my future at least not now. Also is seems like mirrorless is too expensive right now but I don't want to put money into DSLR if they are "dead" as a lot of people say.

Any suggestions if I should pick up a D850 or finally go mirrorless as this is the future And DSLR's are dead

LOL the new fashion, ask or say something different and be prepared to be called a Troll.
None the less..
I really think you should do a bit more homework yourself.
It’s easy to ask opinions but you get opinions based on personal experiences, needs and methods.

I am a big old stubborn fart with very large hands and tunnelvision shooting (D)SLR my whole life.
Do you think I’m going to recommend you a mirrorless matchbox with its synthetic shooting experience over a beautifull crafted full grown DSLR with its organic shooting experience?
(As a matter of fact I would, just pushing it to illustrate how and what to expect from this kind of questions/answers LOL)


Anyway I will give you my 2 cents.

You want to upgrade from an entrylevel D3300 to a high-end D850.
Off course you included the fact you need a powerfull PC with a lot of storage and the fact you’re switching from DX to FX probably asking for an extra investment in (a) lens(es).
Well you’ll be overwhelmed with the performance of the D850.
Good choice!
Mirrorless? looking at your preferences (I don’t see fast action and I take you want to stay with Nikon)
Better choice imo IF you go for the Z7(II) about the same price but future proof for investments (lenses) to come.
Pick your poison, both systems are able to produce fantastic results and they will coexist for a long time to come.
 
Hello everyone, After being called a Troll on another photography forum I'd try my luck here.

I currently, shoot with a D3300 and have for 3 years and I feel like I hit the limit on the camera the ISO performance, AF, Durability, and so on. It has been a great camera but I'm looking to upgrade to the D850. I mainly shoot landscapes, some portraits, and Wildlife, The thing I hear about the D850 is the megapixel count on the D850 as this allows better cropping when shooting wildlife especially BIF

However, I hear everyone talking about Mirrorless and that DSLR is dead and money is best spent on Mirrorless. I don't really shoot video at all and don't see that in my future at least not now. Also is seems like mirrorless is too expensive right now but I don't want to put money into DSLR if they are "dead" as a lot of people say.

Any suggestions if I should pick up a D850 or finally go mirrorless as this is the future And DSLR's are dead

There are several ways to address your question. DSLR cameras are certainly not dead. Nikon just released the D6 - a flagship DSLR with the best focus performance of any camera in th Nikon lineup - plus a lot of other features. The D850 is still regarded as the best all around camera. The breadth of F-mount lenses - both new and used - will cover any need and almost any budget.

The D3300 is an entry level DSLR. It's a good camera, and can produce very good photos. It is an entry level camera that was released in 2014 - and it does have some limitations as you have indicated. It's probably time for an upgrade. But before you go there, what kind of budget are you thinking about? You could spend $2000 for a very capable upgrade that supports birds in flight. But you could also spend $10,000 for an upgrade that supports landscapes, ,birds in flight, and many other genres. And if you are working on wildlife and birds in flight, what kind of birds? Are you planning to travel for your bird photography, or are you photographing neighborhood songbirds that are usually perched with occasional flight shots? What percentage of your photos are going to be wildlife - and what percentage are birds in flight? Birds in flight can be a very specific genre, but it makes a difference whether it's 3-5% of your photos with an emphasis on large wading birds, or 20% of your photos with an emphasis on small songbirds.

The D850 is a fantastic all purpose camera. But it's a high resolution camera, so files will be larger. Most people don't buy a D850 with a 46 megapixel image with the intent of cropping it to 1 megapixel for posting on social media. Yes - that's possible - but if your goal is a post on social media, you probably can't tell the difference between a 1 megapixel image and a 150 kb image. If you want photos to hang on your wall, your cropping will be minimal with any camera.

The D500 is a very good DX sensor DSLR, and it has outstanding AF performance. It's likely a better choice for now - and much cheaper. It will work with your current lenses. But if you add a lens for wildlife like the Nikon 200-500 or the Nikon 300mm f/4 PF, you'll have a very capable kit. You could also look at the 70-300 AF-P for a less expensive, all purpose lens.

Yes - there is a trend toward mirrorless, and that is the long term direction. But there are lots of very good F-mount lenses, and DSLR cameras will continue to be produced for a very long time. Even if you choose mirrorless, you'll be using some F-mount lenses for wildlife on a mirrorless camera.

The Z6ii is an excellent camera, and would probably be a better all purpose camera than the Z7ii. The Z6 is a standard resolution camera, and the standard resolution makes it better for video and perhaps slightly faster in terms of focus and frame rate. The Z7ii is a high resolution camera - if that's what you need. There is no reason why you can't get good wildlife photos - including birds in flight - with a mirrorless camera like the Z6. The Z6ii is expected to have improved AF performance due to a separate AF processor - like the D850 and D500. It's also more advanced in all respects.

Right now I'd rate the D850 and D500 as slightly better for fast action such as birds in flight. But that difference only applies to fast or small birds in flight - not large wading birds or shorebirds that are easy to track. The strength is AF speed - based on a separate AF processor. The Z6 is close enough that I prefer it as an all purpose camera, but would not have that preference if I was primarily a bird photographer.

We don't know about the Z6ii, but I suspect AF performance will be significantly better due to thee AF processor and technology advances. Given the choice - I would pick a Z6ii over a D850 for wildlife. The Z6/Z6ii mirrorless cameras provide a lot of advantages over a DSLR. For example, focus is more accurate with the Z6/Z6ii, and tht makes it better for perched or slower moving subjects. I find a lot of birds are in branches or partially obstructed, so the Z6 ability to zoom through the EVF is helpful. It's also possible to invoke manual focus with focus peaking for precise focus in obstructed areas. I use the EVF like electronic binoculars on my Z6. The catch with a Z6ii kit is the lenses will be more expensive because everything is new and top quality. So while a Z6ii might be a better camera, the D500 or D850 might better fit you and your budget for the next 3-4 years.
 
I agree with Roger and Eric.

I shoot with both DSLRs and Z bodies (D500 and D850, Z7 and Z6 -- I know I am lucky to have multiple bodies) and shoot wildlife (especially birds), landscapes, travel and family events. You can get wonderful images with either system. (Indeed, you can get wonderful images with non-Nikon systems, but I have no personal knowledge there, having shot Nikons for many years.)

Both DSLRs and mirrorless have advantages and disadvantages. Up to now, if I could have only one camera, I would have chosen a D850. It is very good at most everything, including landscapes, birds in flight and other wildlife. It is high resolution (which can be useful for landscapes and wildlife and overkill for some other uses and requires more storage and computer power). The Z7 and soon to be released Z7II have equivalent image quality and resolution. But the Z7 is not quite as good at autofocus for fast moving subjects like smaller birds in flight, although it is decent and I suspect better than the D3300's autofocus system (which I have not used). At the same time, I find the Z7's autofocus is a bit better than the D850's for stationary and slow moving subjects. I hope that the upcoming Z7II (and Z6II) will offer significant improvements in autofocus for fast moving subjects and thus might change my answer as to which camera I would choose if I could have only one.

I have come to like my Zs a great deal and shot only the Z7 and Z6 this summer. Lots of bird photography from a kayak in northern Minnesota. I appreciated the smaller size of the Z bodies and how well they pair and balance with the 300 mm and 500 mm PF lenses and the 70-300 AF-P FX zoom. The Z7 is my most used body and there is a good chance I will upgrade it to the Z7II if the autofocus for fast moving subjects has improved materially. If I did not shoot birds in flight, I probably would not upgrade the Z7.

The Z6 is a nice camera. I tend to use it for travel, family events and low light situations. For landscapes, I like the added resolution of the Z7 (or D850). For wildlife, I tend to like the added pixels from the Z7 (and D850), because even when you get as close as you can and using my 500 mm PF and 1.4x TCIII, I still find many cases where I want to crop. The Z6 does have a faster top frame rate (which is not as useful as it could be, given the slideshow effect in the EVF when using that top frame rate -- same for the Z7 -- hoping this will be fixed or improved in the Z7II and Z6II).

For non-wildlife shooting, I have liked the native Z mount lenses (which to date are shorter focal lengths than what I typically use for wildlife). They are very good and in many cases a bit better optically than their F mount counterparts.

Given your interest in wildlife and birds, if you do go Nikon mirrorless, you may want to wait for a Z7II or Z6II, given the hoped for improvements to autofocus for fast moving subjects.

Take a look at Steve's thread on this forum about his top ten reasons one might shoot mirrorless.

DSLRs will be around a long time. I expect the move to mirrorless may make some used F mount gear available at attractive prices.

Whichever way you go, coming from a D3300, you will have some major changes to adjust to, particularly in autofocus. You may want to get Steve's e-book on Nikon autofocus (there is a DSLR version and a mirrorless version, the latter of which will probably need to be updated for the Z7II and Z6II). In addition, you may want to get Thom Hogan's e-book on whichever camera you choose; I have found them very useful over the years.

In many ways, I think you really can't go wrong with either choice. Good luck.
 
If I had an unlimited camera budget and my wife didn't want the mortgage paid each month and I didn't have to eat and......... I might maybe consider it. There's also the learning curve curve. All things considered I'll stick to my D810.
 
Suggest considering a new or used D780 or D750 camera. These make use of less costly SD memory cards and there are many lenses that can be purchased new or used, unlike the Nikon mirrorless cameras. I have no qualms about buying a used camera or lens from the people listing on fredmiranda.com. I bought a used D850 last year from a seller there and have bought a 70-200mm f/2.8E FL lens from another individual posting on this websites Buy Sell.

A Z6 and a couple of zoom lenses is going to cost over $6,000 and I can put together a D780, 18-35mm f/3.5G, 24-70mm f/2.8, and a 200-500mm for that amount of money.

The Z cameras will eventuall be able to use new lenses that will ship over the next several years but very little is available today as in no telephoto and no macro lenses for example. For animals in motion my last choice would be a Z camera with the current AF-C autofocus technology exists with the Nikon mirrorless cameras.

My wife has been shooting with the excellent Olympus MFT mirrorless camera and lens since 2015 and I am well aware of their capabilities and also their limitation. If I had to go mirrorless at this time it would be with the Olympus system with their extensive line of pro level zoom and prime lenses.
 
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A secondary question to all you who have and are using Nikon Z cameras....what is your experience with battery life for a Z....??? I am considering a Z6 II simply to lighten the load at times; otherwise I use a d850 which can do a lot of things well, like landscapes and seascapes. The other snag for me for getting the Z6 II......native Z mount lenses, more out of pocket cost. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
I was out this weekend and used a Z6 and D850 side by side. I had the 70-200 f/2.8 S mounted on the Z6 for a foxhunting event - mainly moving subjects that require quick focus. Light was very challenging - backlighting, high contrast front light, mixed light, etc. The Z6 was much easier to use, very fast and accurate for AF, and exposures were much better even with the challenging light. I almost never missed focus all morning with the Z6.

My battery was still at 60% after over 600 shots. I've only moved to a second battery two times in nearly two years of shooting the Z6. Once was after 1700 shots of bird photography in a morning session - and I had 20% of the battery remaining. The other was right before photographing the awards ceremony for an important event, and while I had 30% of the battery remaining, I did not want to risk any issues. I typically get more than 1000 images on a single charge.
 
A secondary question to all you who have and are using Nikon Z cameras....what is your experience with battery life for a Z....???
Like Eric, I'd say I typically get 1000 images or more. However, the is really going to depend on how much you're shooting vs using the EVF. Still, I've never been frustrated with battery life and I'm sure once I get a Z7II and grip I'll be able to go all day most days.
 
I usually can shoot the entire day with my Z7 or Z6, or more, if I start with a full battery. Often 700-1,000 images (or more) on a charge. That said, I always carry a spare battery, just in case — I do that with my DSLRs too.

The only place where I have used a battery faster than that in my Z7 is when I set the standby timer to 30 minutes or in some cases to no limit. This keeps the camera and EVF on longer (or continuously) and uses more battery power. In this mode, I will use more than one battery if I shoot for a whole day. I sometimes do this when photographing migrating warblers, as they do not sit still for long. I miss shots if I have to wait for the the camera and EVF to comeback to life if the standby timer has kicked in between shots.
 
Something I like about the D850 that is not available on any Z yet....all the image options. D850 has a 1.2 FX crop in its menu, along with DX and 4:5 and 1:1. I have used them all. My Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 is a non VR copy From testing it I know at 24mm and wide open it gets soft an estimated 75% of the way out from center; to eliminate this annoyance I rarely shoot it wide open at 24mm and I set the camera to 1.2X FX crop factor. At 28mm already the lens is better, presumably the narrower AOV has something to do with that? I only shoot that lens at 24mm when necessary.
 
Something I like about the D850 that is not available on any Z yet....all the image options. D850 has a 1.2 FX crop in its menu, along with DX and 4:5 and 1:1. I have used them all. My Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 is a non VR copy From testing it I know at 24mm and wide open it gets soft an estimated 75% of the way out from center; to eliminate this annoyance I rarely shoot it wide open at 24mm and I set the camera to 1.2X FX crop factor. At 28mm already the lens is better, presumably the narrower AOV has something to do with that? I only shoot that lens at 24mm when necessary.
The new 24-70 lenses might then be considered a reason to shoot mirrorless, as most of the new S versions Nikon has released have been considered substantial improvements over their older DSLR counterparts. I have not shot with any of the Z bodies, but a lot of folks have certainly been raving about IQ from the native lenses. I know that I was tempted by the Z6 24-70 f/4 combo when it was launched, based in part on the lens. Not criticizing the D850, but the new mount has opened up a lot of possibilities for Nikon's lens designers.

--Ken
 
Funny thing is I recently upgraded from a 15yr old mirrorless to a DSLR! One of things I really hated was the fact I was NOT looking through the lens in the viewfinder. Admittedly, todays mirrorless would be leaps and bounds ahead of what I had and could in now way be compared to each other but I still find it funny I seem to be doing a very good salmon impression (going against the flow). Anyway, to OP.... I can't help besides buy the best you can afford. That is likely to be DSLR and that won't be a poor choice.
 
The short answer has already been said, here and similar threads - shoot both especially for wildlife. DSLRs and MILCs are complementary as judged by current state of technology eg D500 vs Z50; D850 vs Z7 (Z7 II). There is currently no MILC to compare a D6 vs MILC unless you run 2 different systems.

There is more overlap comparing D780 vs Z6 as the D780 is designed around the Z6 sensor (=industry leading lowlight IQ) and has Z6 i Menu and basically their Liveview modes are indistinguishable, but the D780 has the edge in AFC, plus its OVF.

A top end Nikon DSLR (D500, D850 or D5, D6) will last you many years ahead compared to a Z FX. The simple reason is compared against relatively matured DSLRs, the MILC technology is iterating fast. This fast pace applies especially to refine reliable MILC Autofocus for action (which we might see in 1 year from Nikon). The other major advantage is for the money (especially bought Used with 6 warranty) a D500 or D850 is far ahead of the Z cameras to allow you to customize settings for action shooting. They really pay dividends for many wildlife shooting situations, provided you invest the time and grow up the muscle-memory to get to grips with Custom settings (in tandem with the 2 systems of Menu Banks).

For landscapes, macro and more sedentary genres, the Z already gives us major advantages (see Steve's 10 reasons thread). This is especially with the new Z lenses such as 14-30 f4S and soon 14-24 f2.8S etc. And use Used F-mount Macros until Z Micro-Nikkors mature sometime in this century.

Ultimately, what matters into the long term is the optics which cost far more and last even longer, if of decent quality. Here again it's down to the personal decisions wrt Budget, genres, and where/at whom your images are aimed etc
 
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What I expect whatever new Nikon body I get to handle, and these are samples from my cell, not what I got with my D850......New Years Day, 2020.
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