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Honestly, the question of what problems is solves is a good one and of course, user dependent. However, I think just problem solving is too simplistic. Often a new feature doesn't solve what you might consider a "problem" but instead adds a benefit that facilitates getting keepers on the card in ways that didn't exist before.

At any rate, here are the features I think will make a difference for me in the field...

High frame rate + good buffer + High res. Until recently with the Canon R5, this hasn't been an option and something I have certainly wanted for my action work. To put up to 30 high-res frames per second down on a rapidly flying bird is a game changer.

Speaking of the frame rate, I know a lot of people have been beating up the camera for it's 30FPS in lossy 12 bit only, but keep in mind that full 14 bit lossless at 20FPS ain't too bad! Up till a few days ago, no consumer camera could give you 30FPS. Plus, it seems like getting to the highest frame rate in any mirrorless cameras involves compromises of some sort. For me, 20FPS @50MP is more than adequate. :)

Faster readout - this one is overlooked quite a bit, but it's estimated this camera can read the sensor at 1/240th of a second. This virtually eliminates the possibility of rolling shutter, so you can do high-speed action in complete silence and not worry about weird-looking warped wings / legs.

No blackout - I realize the a9 series has this feature, but it really is game-changing for tracking. The faster readout and EVF on the a1 means that this blackout free experience is also likely to be completely lag free.

1/400th flash sync. This is incredibly valuable for fill flash with wildlife. 1/250th is sometimes too slow, especially hand-holding longer glass. High speed flash sync can work around this a bit, but it uses far more power and greatly reduces distance. 1/400th gives more speed without distance compromise.

Bird eye AF - if this works well for flight shots, it's a game-changer. Imagine being able to completely focus on the composition as the bird is flying without worrying about where the AF area is. No more sharp wingtips because you allowed the AF area to get too close to the wings. So often, there is so much going on with a flight sequence that composition tends to take a back seat - this alone is worth the upgrade (again, if it works as advertised).

AF accuracy - The a1 also performs twice as many AF calculations per second as the a9ii - which is already very impressive. This should directly translate into more AF accurate tracking.

There's probably a few others I'm forgetting, but those are the reasons / problems it solves (or makes easier) for me.
Beautifully explained Steve
 
At $6500, it's definitely out of my budget unless I win the lottery - the A1 would be able to address so many issues for us wildlife photographers to what Steve pointed out, but of course at the price to pay.

Nikon folks are waiting for the next Z body, which might compare with the A1, but that price point will likely still be in the same $6500 ballpark or if not more. For me, it'll have to be the Z7ii.
 
At $6500, it's definitely out of my budget unless I win the lottery - the A1 would be able to address so many issues for us wildlife photographers to what Steve pointed out, but of course at the price to pay.

Nikon folks are waiting for the next Z body, which might compare with the A1, but that price point will likely still be in the same $6500 ballpark or if not more. For me, it'll have to be the Z7ii.

I have a feeling Nikon will have a camera between the Z7 and Z1/9 or whatever they call it :)
 
I have a feeling Nikon will have a camera between the Z7 and Z1/9 or whatever they call it :)

Maybe this question is better for a new thread. I'm holding out for a Nikon R5/A1 equivalent. Just too much F mount glass...the $$$.. Will you really need the newer glass for mirrorless or do the converters work just fine...especially for quick moving subjects.
 
Steve: are you planning on picking up the new A1 when it is released? You do seem to be quite happy with your existing Sony, and with the new A1 it'll provide all those additional features such as Bird focusing! I would love to see how well that works for one. What a dream come true if it works as it should - perhaps, given that and the fast AF, it's a small price to pay for such significant gain.


I have a feeling Nikon will have a camera between the Z7 and Z1/9 or whatever they call it :)
 
Honestly, the question of what problems is solves is a good one and of course, user dependent. However, I think just problem solving is too simplistic. Often a new feature doesn't solve what you might consider a "problem" but instead adds a benefit that facilitates getting keepers on the card in ways that didn't exist before.

At any rate, here are the features I think will make a difference for me in the field...

High frame rate + good buffer + High res. Until recently with the Canon R5, this hasn't been an option and something I have certainly wanted for my action work. To put up to 30 high-res frames per second down on a rapidly flying bird is a game changer.

Speaking of the frame rate, I know a lot of people have been beating up the camera for it's 30FPS in lossy 12 bit only, but keep in mind that full 14 bit lossless at 20FPS ain't too bad! Up till a few days ago, no consumer camera could give you 30FPS. Plus, it seems like getting to the highest frame rate in any mirrorless cameras involves compromises of some sort. For me, 20FPS @50MP is more than adequate. :)

Faster readout - this one is overlooked quite a bit, but it's estimated this camera can read the sensor at 1/240th of a second. This virtually eliminates the possibility of rolling shutter, so you can do high-speed action in complete silence and not worry about weird-looking warped wings / legs.

No blackout - I realize the a9 series has this feature, but it really is game-changing for tracking. The faster readout and EVF on the a1 means that this blackout free experience is also likely to be completely lag free.

1/400th flash sync. This is incredibly valuable for fill flash with wildlife. 1/250th is sometimes too slow, especially hand-holding longer glass. High speed flash sync can work around this a bit, but it uses far more power and greatly reduces distance. 1/400th gives more speed without distance compromise.

Bird eye AF - if this works well for flight shots, it's a game-changer. Imagine being able to completely focus on the composition as the bird is flying without worrying about where the AF area is. No more sharp wingtips because you allowed the AF area to get too close to the wings. So often, there is so much going on with a flight sequence that composition tends to take a back seat - this alone is worth the upgrade (again, if it works as advertised).

AF accuracy - The a1 also performs twice as many AF calculations per second as the a9ii - which is already very impressive. This should directly translate into more AF accurate tracking.

There's probably a few others I'm forgetting, but those are the reasons / problems it solves (or makes easier) for me.
And maybe it can easily do cache bursts - the spec sheet is suggestive. By that I mean bursts that are buffered on a half shutter press and written to card on a full one.
The Panasonic G9 can write 60 jpegs at 30 fps (using 6 K video) , or c 10 raw, in both cases on a first frame in first frame out basis. Fuji and Olympus do something similar and it really is a game-changer. You're trained on a perched bird with a half press and finally it launches and you full press. With this feature you capture it all.
 


It’s amazing how many people are so focused on 12 bit vs 14 bit. For wildlife photography (and action photography in general), shooting 12 bit is typically more than enough and nets you greater FPS potential, larger buffer, faster clearing time, a smaller/quicker file to deal with in post, etc. Unless you’re pushing your single exposures more than 4 stops and shooting at base ISO, 14 bit isn’t gaining you much, if anything.

For some photography genres the difference between 12 bit vs 14 bit matters, but wildlife photography isn’t one of them.
 
Maybe this question is better for a new thread. I'm holding out for a Nikon R5/A1 equivalent. Just too much F mount glass...the $$$.. Will you really need the newer glass for mirrorless or do the converters work just fine...especially for quick moving subjects.
The adapters are OK - there's no optical penalty, but the lenses do focus slower with them (on average, it takes twice as long for an F-mount lens to run from minimum focus distance to infinity on a Z camera than on a dedicated F-mount camera. )

In addition, the Nikon Z mount lenses are really, really good - partly in thanks to the wider mount. The wider mounts don't do as much for longer lenses but I still think we'll see better optical performance from them over their F-mount counterparts.
 
And maybe it can easily do cache bursts - the spec sheet is suggestive. By that I mean bursts that are buffered on a half shutter press and written to card on a full one.
The Panasonic G9 can write 60 jpegs at 30 fps (using 6 K video) , or c 10 raw, in both cases on a first frame in first frame out basis. Fuji and Olympus do something similar and it really is a game-changer. You're trained on a perched bird with a half press and finally it launches and you full press. With this feature you capture it all.
That would be incredibly cool. I'm jealous of the Olympus and Panasonic shooters with that feature.
 


It’s amazing how many people are so focused on 12 bit vs 14 bit. For wildlife photography (and action photography in general), shooting 12 bit is typically more than enough and nets you greater FPS potential, larger buffer, faster clearing time, a smaller/quicker file to deal with in post, etc. Unless you’re pushing your single exposures more than 4 stops and shooting at base ISO, 14 bit isn’t gaining you much, if anything.

For some photography genres the difference between 12 bit vs 14 bit matters, but wildlife photography isn’t one of them.
Agreed. I can shoot most wildlife all day long in 12 bit and not care one iota. I usually am no where near an ISO where it would be beneficial and even if I am, I seldom do the kinds of shadow pulls that would make it worthwhile.
 
By CAF I mean continuous shooting. Someone analysed the files - they weren't 14 bit even when uncompressed had been selected.

Well just to be clear, CAF and or AF-C isn’t continuous shooting and you can see the confusion that might cause.

In regards to still not being 14 bit with uncompressed selected, when in continuous shooting with the a7 II, a7R II, a7S II and or the a9, it’ll be 12 bit (uncompressed 12 bit). However, all 3rd Gen bodies and above (including the a9 II) do have 14 bit files with uncompressed selected and in continuous shooting. The original a7, a7R and a7S didn’t have an uncompressed option, but you can get 14 bit compressed in single shot shooting (like all Sony alpha bodies).

Aplogize for not clarifying that in the earlier post.
 
Well, I've just seen the Australian price.... $10k :oops::rolleyes:

That's $3500 more than the R5... so the Sony or the Canon and the RF 15-35/2.8 for the same money. (I should add you can actually get the R5 for $5600 on sale several times recently, which means you could get the R5 and the 100-500 RF lens for the same money)

For that difference this is not a R5 competitor at all.
 
Honestly, the question of what problems is solves is a good one and of course, user dependent. However, I think just problem solving is too simplistic. Often a new feature doesn't solve what you might consider a "problem" but instead adds a benefit that facilitates getting keepers on the card in ways that didn't exist before.

At any rate, here are the features I think will make a difference for me in the field...

High frame rate + good buffer + High res. Until recently with the Canon R5, this hasn't been an option and something I have certainly wanted for my action work. To put up to 30 high-res frames per second down on a rapidly flying bird is a game changer.

Speaking of the frame rate, I know a lot of people have been beating up the camera for it's 30FPS in lossy 12 bit only, but keep in mind that full 14 bit lossless at 20FPS ain't too bad! Up till a few days ago, no consumer camera could give you 30FPS. Plus, it seems like getting to the highest frame rate in any mirrorless cameras involves compromises of some sort. For me, 20FPS @50MP is more than adequate. :)

Faster readout - this one is overlooked quite a bit, but it's estimated this camera can read the sensor at 1/240th of a second. This virtually eliminates the possibility of rolling shutter, so you can do high-speed action in complete silence and not worry about weird-looking warped wings / legs.

No blackout - I realize the a9 series has this feature, but it really is game-changing for tracking. The faster readout and EVF on the a1 means that this blackout free experience is also likely to be completely lag free.

1/400th flash sync. This is incredibly valuable for fill flash with wildlife. 1/250th is sometimes too slow, especially hand-holding longer glass. High speed flash sync can work around this a bit, but it uses far more power and greatly reduces distance. 1/400th gives more speed without distance compromise.

Bird eye AF - if this works well for flight shots, it's a game-changer. Imagine being able to completely focus on the composition as the bird is flying without worrying about where the AF area is. No more sharp wingtips because you allowed the AF area to get too close to the wings. So often, there is so much going on with a flight sequence that composition tends to take a back seat - this alone is worth the upgrade (again, if it works as advertised).

AF accuracy - The a1 also performs twice as many AF calculations per second as the a9ii - which is already very impressive. This should directly translate into more AF accurate tracking.

There's probably a few others I'm forgetting, but those are the reasons / problems it solves (or makes easier) for me.
While my D 500 & 500 PF are a great combo & i have taken some incredible bird action shots i do miss certain features which have been well brought out by Steve & my expereicne today would high light those features
The shots were taken today at Bangalore@India.
The coppersmith barbet seem to be voraciosuly hungry & polishing off one fruit after the other.I was carrying my D 500 & 500 PF.I had shot few bursts in CH with mode with a little pause to see where the bird would go next & also due to the blackout.
In this particular sequence it tried to tug a fruit & the gave it a dirty look when it could not do so (first 4 shots) & then yanked it out & turned the other side (fifth shot) .While i could capture the tugging & the dirty look part i missed the yanking out part .
While there was no issue with D 500's AF (all the shots were in focus) i am sure i would have been more happy shooting with A1 (with its much higher frame rate & no black out features) so that i could have got the yanking out part too.
I am sincerely hoping Nikon's 880 would be at par with A1(since i only plan to use 500 PF for my bird photography)
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