I did exactly that and I have zero regrets! The 200-600 takes the 1.4 and 2x converters very well and I have no loss of af performance.
Is Sony taking over/has it taken over the world?
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You would have no regrets. If you can afford it do it. You will enjoy photography more and be blown away by the results. If I didn’t shoot a lot of birds I’d be completely happy with the D850 as it’s a great camera and my 500PF was a killer lens but always a little to short for most of what I do.
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Thanks, Yeah I finally ordered an A1 with 200-600mm and card from Mike's Camera this morning. Hopefully the lead time isn't too bad. I might be able to capture a Great Horned Owl in flight if it gets here soon enough. Mama has been busy feeding the fledgling every morning out here...
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I take no interest in what others shoot. Not about to make major changes and take significant depreciation because I see someone using a different brand as me. Even if it includes the Tokyo Olympics. Who cares? I like and enjoy what I use.
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That's nice.
Hot damn! If we lived closer I’d let you take mine out for a test drive.Thanks, Yeah I finally ordered an A1 with 200-600mm and card from Mike's Camera this morning. Hopefully the lead time isn't too bad. I might be able to capture a Great Horned Owl in flight if it gets here soon enough. Mama has been busy feeding the fledgling every morning out here...
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Sony is vertically integrated and diverse, an empire that is in Music Film and consumer products where the range is growing and That's OK.
The world is a place where the big get bigger the small get out, Sony is getting bigger.
Some companies grow slower some faster...........some are leaders (Sony) some are followers Nikon, But are they just all just one wagon train heading west to grow and survive.
School education changes every 18 months technology even faster, your really obsolete before you finish school, especially medical school, same with companies, unless you adapt and quickly or you will be left behind.
Sony Nikon and Canon are ONE, as an industry, all Japanese, all have the Japanese long term planning culture that's becoming more challenging and really obsolete unless your like Sony, in music film etc. Nikon is the weakest member of the family and most heavily controlled by conservative owners, Canon larger stronger more diverse than Nikon but also slower to adapt to change, Sony quick adaptable and ahead in the game of chance and new technology......and rides on the fact that Nikon and Canon cant adapt quickly, so is Sony the real competitor or simply the Scout for a slower vulnerable wagon train Nikon Canon heading west.
When I used to do budgets for cooperates, i would have a 5 year plan that was aspirational and fully adaptable, 3 years firm but not so adaptable, 12 months locked in and committed to good debt.
Today its 2 years aspirational, 12 months only somewhat adaptable, 6 months locked in and committed, to day this requires different thinking, more money and or cash flow.
Bottom line its not Sony that's changing so much, its not Nikon or Canon, but the way the 3 operate as a industry whole going forward FOR SURVIVAL in a global arena where the game now has competitors like Apple Samsung Panasonic 5G 6G 8G and other vertically integrated or interrelated industry to mention a few.
In today's world you need to be adaptable not just big.
Nikon will be Nikon and it will come along and deliver as will its relatives in the industry, the war is not with each other but with whats out side the family.
We know where the industry is going, we know the fate of stills.............and the change ahead of us all with maturing newer generations born with a smart phone in their hands and a good data download contract for their first birthday LOL.
Like the pioneering wagons headed west,, they had some slow wagons, some livelier wagons and all had scouts feeling for the best direction. yes they too had casualties like COPAL P/L. the shutter company used by the camera Industry.
These wagon trains where followed by the railway backed by players with deeper pockets. (Q) were the wagon trains really wagon trains full or pioneers with self interest or actually just indirectly scouts for what followed.........
Only an opinion as always
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I was a Nikon since the early 1970's with an old Nikon F. Loved the camera and the lenses. Moved to digital about 15 again to Nikon. Over the past few years I've looked at the market and the financials of the companies. Nikon is in the Red, Canon is diversified enough to stay in the fight. While Sony doesn't break down their financials where you can ascertain what the camera division is making the company is financially sound. I decided this past winter to trade in all of my Nikon gear and go full speed into sony. Going mirrorless with a full frame sensor with the A7R II, somewhat older tech but at $1,300 for the camera body and a kit lens it was an offer I couldn't refuse.
I hope that all three can remain in the market as competition is best for us consumers. Competition breeds innovation at competitive prices. However, as the camera market is shrinking I went with the company that is more diversified.
I hope that all three can remain in the market as competition is best for us consumers. Competition breeds innovation at competitive prices. However, as the camera market is shrinking I went with the company that is more diversified.
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46% of those kids got a brand new Sony image sensor on their first birthday!
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Completely understood,
There are some outrageous awesome buys out there in all areas and more coming, yeee
Time is our most precious commodity and we should spend it wisely, unlike money, we cant make more time..........time is a one way journey.
Enjoy what you love to do and don't wait on anyone or anything.
Far to many of us are obsessed with the latest and greatest and I understand that's a privilege but will it make you a better photographer........
New cameras and technology are always welcome, the developing stage we are at with new cameras like the A1 is fantastic but diminishing the need for so many of the traditional the skill sets we all grew up perfecting, in some ways that's very sad in others its no so much, are we becoming lessor photographers and more recorders........a question i have asked often.
Personally I enjoy using any camera and lens, they are simply a tool, its the hand the tools are in that counts.
I Enjoy every moment every day and wake up and do it all over again, and will every day there after.
I enjoy the journey the trip the experience, making a nice photo is just a bonus.
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46% of those kids got a brand new Sony image sensor on their first birthday!
So is Sony still just a camera company or also becoming a sensor manufacturer as well, volume units makes margin and lower costs, lower costs attracts contracting to make sensors for Nikon and other main stream brands for other than say Z9 models etc, is Sony going to make all senors like Co pal made all shutters for the industry.
Nikon makes the machines that Sony use to make the sensors......... ???
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Sony is a conglomerate with a lot of different divisions and the relationship between those divisions isn't necessarily what an outsider would assume. I have no special knowledge here, but I suspect very much that the different businesses are expected to stand or fall on their own activities. One of Sony's businesses is semiconductor fabrication, including bespoke contract manufacturing of external designs. There are several of these companies, including Samsung and TSMC, and Intel has recently announced that they're re-entering this business. Tower Semiconductor, aka TowerJazz, is an up and comer in this business, which is interesting because the minimum cost of entry to this business is a couple of billion dollars. Note that analog fabs (e.g. sensors) and digital fabs (eg CPUs) are quite different.
Another of Sony's businesses is cameras. There's no real evidence that the operations of either the camera division or the semiconductor business are constrained by the needs of the other. To all evidence they operate independently.
Strong rumor says that the new Nikon Z9 sensor is being fabricated by Tower Semiconductor (Tower is Israeli held).
Just to confuse us, there's also a long standing practice of Japanese companies cross-licensing their technologies, as Sony did to get the PDAF architecture they currently use from Nikon/Aptina.
Sony is a long way from being the dominant player in semiconductors. There's a Japanese government backed joint venture between TSMC and Sony to build a big new fab in Japan for the purpose of, in part, making CMOS image sensors. But TSMC appears to very much the dominant player in it. Sony gets another source for sensors and gets to bail out of sensor fab? No one knows.
Reading these tea leaves is entertaining, but it's hard to draw conclusions...
Another of Sony's businesses is cameras. There's no real evidence that the operations of either the camera division or the semiconductor business are constrained by the needs of the other. To all evidence they operate independently.
Strong rumor says that the new Nikon Z9 sensor is being fabricated by Tower Semiconductor (Tower is Israeli held).
Just to confuse us, there's also a long standing practice of Japanese companies cross-licensing their technologies, as Sony did to get the PDAF architecture they currently use from Nikon/Aptina.
Sony is a long way from being the dominant player in semiconductors. There's a Japanese government backed joint venture between TSMC and Sony to build a big new fab in Japan for the purpose of, in part, making CMOS image sensors. But TSMC appears to very much the dominant player in it. Sony gets another source for sensors and gets to bail out of sensor fab? No one knows.
Reading these tea leaves is entertaining, but it's hard to draw conclusions...
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I don't know all the details. I just googled this one.
These 32 Nikon cameras are Sonys in disguise
Over 30 cameras, including the Nikon Z7 and Nikon D500, are powered by Sony image sensors
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I don't know all the details. I just googled this one.
These 32 Nikon cameras are Sonys in disguise
Over 30 cameras, including the Nikon Z7 and Nikon D500, are powered by Sony image sensorswww.digitalcameraworld.com
Interesting link, yes Sony made a lot of sensors for many Nikon cameras as well as all their own, i recall they made sensors for some other brands but more so in the mid range quality consumer products.
The industry working as one was also seen in the XQD cards and some SD cards all branded Sony.
To me it makes good business sense for the likes of Sony and Nikon to work together to save costs and improve margins through volume efficiency.
Copal made camera shutters for nearly all major brands, Nikon Sony Canon and the list goes on.
Japanese companies are smart and while appearing to be competitors in the field the reality is they are mostly united as one industry.
Pricing is usually strategically very similar, leap frogging in new model changes etc is often the norm.
Investing in a camera system now is becoming more expensive and challenging for many people.
Only an opinion as always
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The sensors may be made by Sony, but they are based on Nikon's design specs. Very different than saying they are disguised Sonys.
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Interesting
If we stand back and look at the industry Canon Sony Nikon they are a total Japanese global monopoly.
In my experience the lowest cost producer always wins or survives............
Opportunities too collaboratively save money and become more cost efficient is welcomed even amongst competitors.
The biggest issue is the generational change of consumers is seeing cameras with detachable lenses as we know them as being NOT attractive and therefore not exactly recovering volumes sales at alarming rates.
The reasons why and how is becoming history, so cost reduction, margin improvement, innovation to stimulate interest to create or hold volume sales form contiuing to fall is the only real choices available.
Only an opinion
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Very true. I don't think a lot of authors of those type of article really understand that.
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I think many of them know it—but they choose to ignore or tweak the truth. Hyperbole sells!
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Where is Sony going next,
what are they going to release next ,
is the New lens range for 2023/24 going to be more super innovative in high quality zooms.
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what are they going to release next ,
is the New lens range for 2023/24 going to be more super innovative in high quality zooms.
Oz down under
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Patenting curved image sensors.
I think the next big step will be global sensors. Who gets it on the market first is anyone’s guess.
Just as Microsoft Word didn't turn everyone (anyone?) into good writers and things like Final Cut or Premiere Pro didn't turn everyone into good video editors, the A1 and coming equivalents from Nion and Canon won't turn everyone into good photographers.
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I like what you have said.
On another twist,
Now this may come across in the wrong way for some people but I find i enjoy getting cracker shots be it on a
D300,
D4s,
D5,
D700,
DF,
Z6
Z7
D7100,
D6,
Sony A9, which i gave back to Sony with their lenses and went back to my 200-500 and 300 2.8 vr II on the D4s D5.
I mean regardless of camera with the right glass all images are sharp, properly exposed and composed well or why take them.
Each camera is only a tool, each camera has it limitations, each camera needs to be used for the right application.
A camera only uses a combination of light time and speed to record a subject, the rest is up to you.
Yes......... advancements in technology are great providing they offer a unique quantum change and benefits.
We used to be all over ISO, then Pixels, Then speed, then mirror less, now eye tracking.........what is there left to do. LOL
I sold my D4s D5 as i could achieve all i needed to do on a D850 with a Grip, the tiny comprises speed and ISO in exchange for the benefits are well worth it and i have no regrets.
Regardless of what Sony, Canon Nikon releases, i will only consider quantum tangible benefits before changing again and only after any new product has 12 months under its belt in the filed.
For that unique application where i need exotic glass or camera i find Renting for me, a tax deduction, is proving great during this sea of change.
I accept the Sony A1 is awesome an ticks a lot of boxes.
Only an opinion.
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