If one wants to argue or be a jerk…go join UHH instead. It's really brutal over there…so much so that I've ignored all but two of the sub forums.
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You are quite welcome to start you own non-boring good stuff thread. I would gladly read such thread.This forum these days seems to be a Z9 forum! Anymore when I see a Z9 thread I just roll my eyes and move on. Because of that I have not read of the messages talked about here. I'd by happy if there was a Z9 forum and all Z9 messages went there so the rest of us could read about other good stuff. Like how to take a photo and not which gear to buy...it's gotten quite boring.
haha, I'm not sure what UHH is and from a couple comments here I think I will just leave it that way.If one wants to argue or be a jerk…go join UHH instead. It's really brutal over there…so much so that I've ignored all but two of the sub forums.
haha, I'm not sure what UHH is and from a couple comments here I think I will just leave it that way.
Well said Ralph !!!I think the individuals that are directly involved in this Sony vs Nikon thing should take a deep breath. Mirrorless or DSLR as well. It’s getting a little ridiculous as Steve pointed out. This forum is about helping and motivating photographers to take better pictures. Most of us choose a camera based on what fits our needs and not based solely on which is better. There are always compromises. Because which is better is a personal opinion based on your needs. So, while this back and forth can be entertaining at times it’s getting a little old. When I see a thread about the Z9 photos , that’s what I want to read about. If I see a thread about the Sony A1, that’s what I expect. Not some back and forth about which is better. Come on people, your better than that. Let’s talk about thing's that improve our skills or helps to solve a problem that one of us is having. It’s not necessary to defend your position that your camera is better than theirs. There are plenty of you-tube videos for that.
Thanks Ralph, beat me to this by a timezone!I think the individuals that are directly involved in this Sony vs Nikon thing should take a deep breath. Mirrorless or DSLR as well. It’s getting a little ridiculous as Steve pointed out. This forum is about helping and motivating photographers to take better pictures. Most of us choose a camera based on what fits our needs and not based solely on which is better. There are always compromises. Because which is better is a personal opinion based on your needs. So, while this back and forth can be entertaining at times it’s getting a little old. When I see a thread about the Z9 photos , that’s what I want to read about. If I see a thread about the Sony A1, that’s what I expect. Not some back and forth about which is better. Come on people, your better than that. Let’s talk about thing's that improve our skills or helps to solve a problem that one of us is having. It’s not necessary to defend your position that your camera is better than theirs. There are plenty of you-tube videos for that.
....picture yourself in a room with a couple hundred other photographers - if you wouldn't speak out loud to that group what you're about to post, it's probably best not to post it.
I totally agree with you.As much as I agree that at times comparative comments aren't productive (when they turn to better / worse for the sake of superiority as opposed to understanding the differences between systems under different circumstances), there is an even greater risk with silo-thinking and echo-chamber culture, and as a dual system shooter I can say there is way too much of that going on here as well.
That kind of thought process is what gave us 2 years of "the AF system in the Z6/7 holds its own with the best of them for active wildlife shooting" - which is not to say the the AF in those cameras sucks, it works great for a lot uses, it simply isn't on par for that specific kind of use. All of us who shoot across systems knew it, but the echo chamber wouldn't have it.
Arguing, debating, comparing (with the right purpose in mind, it's not a competition, it's a learning journey) is what makes for a vibrant community - or we can get plain vanilla that never questions what would happen if you added some chocolate fudge to it.
Of course civility is a pre-requisite. If we lose civility it really doesn't matter what is being debated because we lose the ability to understand the other viewpoint and experience but way too often we tackle the lapses in civility by eliminating the debate altogether - and that's the wrong answer.
I don't want to get into arguments on the issue.How ever splitting hairs can never hide the fact that Z 7 ii did not have a good AF compared to even it's predecessors like D 500 / 850 & that's the point I was trying to make . The proof of that is in this forum itself where there are threads where Z 7 ii owners have been repeatedly asking for FW updates to improve is AFHi @Venkatesh VT, if I may point out something I learned over the years... I am a multicultural person, born from parents that are of mixed nationalities, I travelled a lot in my life and I spent the most part of my carrier managing multicultural teams spread all over the globe, from Asia to America. One thing I learned the hard way is: different people interpret the same sentence in various ways. Since then I learned to focus more on facts and less on opinions / personal views.
Applying that lesson to this case, such a statement: "Z7 ii not being good for action photography" is very subjective and can easily offend people, even though I am sure that was not your intention. One can say the same thing in more objective way: "the auto Eye AF of the Z7ii is not as sticky or responsive as that of Sony and Canon." That is a fact, that still brings your point across. But saying it is not good for action is way too general and not really true for everyone. I use the Z50 for example, which has a similar if not inferior AF to that of the Z7ii and it works just fine for my action photography. That may not be the case for you, maybe because you do more BIF and I do not.. but you see what I am trying to say?
If I may add to this, ownership in a statement is key. "the XX camera or camera attribute does not work for me in xxxxxx scenarios"Hi @Venkatesh VT, if I may point out something I learned over the years... I am a multicultural person, born from parents that are of mixed nationalities, I travelled a lot in my life and I spent the most part of my carrier managing multicultural teams spread all over the globe, from Asia to America. One thing I learned the hard way is: different people interpret the same sentence in various ways. Since then I learned to focus more on facts and less on opinions / personal views.
Applying that lesson to this case, such a statement: "Z7 ii not being good for action photography" is very subjective and can easily offend people, even though I am sure that was not your intention. One can say the same thing in more objective way: "the auto Eye AF of the Z7ii is not as sticky or responsive as that of Sony and Canon." That is a fact, that still brings your point across. But saying it is not good for action is way too general and not really true for everyone. I use the Z50 for example, which has a similar if not inferior AF to that of the Z7ii and it works just fine for my action photography. That may not be the case for you, maybe because you do more BIF and I do not.. but you see what I am trying to say?
Hi @Venkatesh VT, if I may point out something I learned over the years... I am a multicultural person, born from parents that are of mixed nationalities, I travelled a lot in my life and I spent the most part of my carrier managing multicultural teams spread all over the globe, from Asia to America. One thing I learned the hard way is: different people interpret the same sentence in various ways. Since then I learned to focus more on facts and less on opinions / personal views.
Applying that lesson to this case, such a statement: "Z7 ii not being good for action photography" is very subjective and can easily offend people, even though I am sure that was not your intention. One can say the same thing in more objective way: "the auto Eye AF of the Z7ii is not as sticky or responsive as that of Sony and Canon." That is a fact, that still brings your point across. But saying it is not good for action is way too general and not really true for everyone. I use the Z50 for example, which has a similar if not inferior AF to that of the Z7ii and it works just fine for my action photography. That may not be the case for you, maybe because you do more BIF and I do not.. but you see what I am trying to say?
I don't want to get into arguments on the issue. How ever splitting hairs can never hide the fact that Z 7 ii did not have a good AF compared to even it's predecessors like D 500 / 850 & that's the point I was trying to make . The proof of that is in this forum itself where there are threads where Z 7 ii owners have been repeatedly asking for FW updates to improve is AF