Looking to buy a camera for wildlife photography

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I know you said you are set on Nikon, but considering that you have no legacy glass to accommodate and no legacy ‘muscle memoryto deal with either, I feel you are doing yourself a disservice by not answering the question of what system will best meet your needs. It may be Nikon, or it may not.
You have explained what you shoot, and many options will do a great job - but why do you shoot is equally important, and what other constraints do you need to think about?

is you goal to simply document what you see and post on the internet? Or are you looking to create art, with the most creamy backgrounds and lowest noise possible so that you can print exhibition pieces (or anywhere in between)? Are weight and size a constraint at all? How waterproof does the gear need to be (shoot in the rain and snow, or only in dry weather)

To document, capture memories, post on internet downsized pictures, you can consider micro 4/3rd - lighter, cheaper, the OM1 has a spectacular AF and they have great glass. Honestly, if weight is a concern, that system is unbeatable, at the expense of some noise and the greater difficulty to create smooth backgrounds.

If weight is not the main driver but you’d still like to keep things compact, need some extra reach sometimes but not always, want a bigger sensor for less noise but not necessary needing the bulk of full frame, then APSC may be right for you. The Goldilocks of formats.
‘The fujifilm XH2s is a great body, the AF is not as good as the z8 but better than the z6ii and because it’s a stacked sensor, you will have the tool to do very high frame rates for birds in flight if you ever desire.
Another option is the canon R7 with their 100-500 which becomes a 160-800 on that body. Amazing AF but some limitations when it comes to buffer size
there is nothing at Sony or Nikon that I would consider right now but that may likely change in the coming months

finally, if size and weight are not a concern, and image quality is the ultimate goal, then full frame it is. But there I would not do the z6ii, it will be limiting if you want to try anything else than the type of photography you described, and if I know one thing about wildlife photography, it’s that once you put a toe in it, it drags you in :)
‘So the z8 with the 100-400 would be your best option at Nikon, but that’s where I think you also need to look at a few other options.

‘The canon R6ii + 100-500 or even the R5 + 100-500 are hard to beat - the AF is easier to use that Nikon’s (I didn’t say better, just simpler) and both offer plenty of room to grow into more demanding genres. They are not stacked sensors though, so if you ever want to do very fast action, you might see the occasional rolling shutter (although they are both very fast for traditional sensors).

Amd then Sony; the 200-600 is a reference lens that all other systems envy. But you can also find excellent 3rd party lenses that use the native Sony mount and are a lot cheaper than anything by canon, Nikon or Sony - if you are not sure of how much money you want to commit, it’s a great way to start.
‘Body-wise with Sony I’d look at an A9ii, same resolution as the z6ii, but an AF that’s a few generations better, or even an A7iv - which offers a ton of capabilities for the money, and still outperforms the z6ii on AF and resolution.

In the end, the last piece of advice is to hold them all - one brand will feel better in hand and that’s probably the one to pick. If you go with the z8, you won’t go wrong one bit, my advice is just to not jump to conclusions because of nostalgia - you have the luxury of starting new, so don’t paint yourself in a box that you don’t need to.

I would hesitate to recommend the XH2s as Fuji doesn't have much in the way of wildlife lenses (70-300 is good, but short; 100-400 has AF concerns, and 150-600 is large and f8 at long end). Great body, mediocre lens selection.
 
Having used both Z6 and Z6II, I can say that the Z6II was better than Z6 at finding focus on a bird or animal in low light conditions. This was probably before the latest firmware updates on the Z6, so I don't know if that's still the case.

I now use the Z8, and that is a very large improvement in almost all respects. The Z6 and Z6II images, coming from a 24Mp sensor, are cleaner and more noise-free than those from the 46Mp sensor in the Z8. Besides that, the Z8 makes for a more enjoyable shooting experience. I made some very good wildlife images with the Z6 and Z6II, but there was also often a sense of frustration with missed focus, even on stationary animals. In my opinion, get the Z8 if your budget allows.
Do you find that to be the case currently with the latest firmware updates for both? Early on I would agree the II versions were ahead, but in my use, the af of first gen caught up. Obviously, there are differences in other ways such as subject detection in wide area, but that doesn’t apply to general wildlife in the earlier Z cameras.
 
Seriously? Are you burning all your pre-z9 wildlife images? My z7 [with merely 46mp's] still takes great photos and has great technology and nothing about the z8 or z9 have the ability to significantly improve on sharpness or noise. I just recognize that the z8 and z9 make it a little easier to photograph small, fast moving objects, and maybe football players when shooting from the sidelines [and I don't do sports], and I have a fetish for tech. If the original poster has cheetahs chasing antelope on his property, newer technology would probably keep his keeper-rate up, assuming he takes a lot of time figuring out the complexity of a camera that will do virtually anything. Nothing about the OP's description of his needs suggests to me that the "latest" technology is either necessary or appropriate.
I am not sure how you came to that interpretation of what I said. I said the Z6/Z6ii are adequate for wildlife but the Z8 is better. I would also say the Z8/Z9 make it more than a little easier to capture action. I’m also assuming antelope meant pronghorn antelope which can run quite fast without a cheetah in pursuit.
 
Do you find that to be the case currently with the latest firmware updates for both? Early on I would agree the II versions were ahead, but in my use, the af of first gen caught up. Obviously, there are differences in other ways such as subject detection in wide area, but that doesn’t apply to general wildlife in the earlier Z cameras.
I don't know how the Z6 performs with the latest updates. I traded mine for a Z6II before the latest updates were available for the Z6.
 
I appreciate all of the input. Honestly, I do not know exactly what "level" I will take photography. As stated initially, I used to shoot a lot. And, I got into it as deep as I could afford to as a young man. I am meticulous at everything that I do. Probably to a fault. I am a designer and constructor. I enjoy hiking, hunting, ranching, ATVs, and more.

For a few years, I became interested in videography. And, invested quite a bit in equipment. It was mostly for my personal enjoyment, but I did some work with some tv shows. Still have that equipment and use it occasionally. Had a blast shooting video hanging out of helicopters while conducting wild game surveys.

The animals that I have immediately available right out my door are Whitetail deer, Axis deer, Fallow deer, Red deer, and Scimitar Oryx (that is the antelope species). And, there are turkey, quail, dove, and other birds. I take snapshots with my iPhone of small plants, bugs, snakes, cactus, and a variety of plants during my walks. Occasionally, I will edit the photos in Photoshop. But, not for any particular reason, other than trying to improve on the image. I am the same way about archery and shooting sports. I set up my bows and rifles, build my arrows and reload my ammunition. My rifles have excellent glass that allow for target shooting out to 1000 yards. Just giving this information to explain how I am wired. As hard as I try to "just have fun", I always dive deeper to get a little more satisfaction from the results. Hope that all makes sense.
 
There are advantages to a higher resolution camera like the Z7 II. With a APS-C amount of image cropping one still has a 19MP file to work with and produce a print. With the Z6 II camera the DX crop provides a 9MP image which means very little cropping can be done. I can shoot with a Z7 and a 500mm lens and have the same image file size as the Z6 with a 600mm lens (much heavier and much more expensive).

Fredmiranda.com is a good place to find lightly used cameras and lenses at up to a 50% discount from retail prices.
 
A lot of people are going to recommend the Z8, but IMHO, if you aren't doing BIF or sports, that is probably a lot of money spent for capability you'll never use. If you look at the feature set of the Z6 II, and compare it to the features you need for your wildlife photography, you will probably be just fine.
 
I still like my Z7II…but for anything that's moving much at all the AF just doesn't keep up nor does the frame rate compared to the Z8/9…and it's hard to do wildlife photography without having some subject movement or needing the frame rate for bursts to get the best positioning, expression, or whatever. Assuming I end up keeping the Z7II it will likely get demoted to just being the lightweight rig for traveling but not focused on taking images.
 
Yes -
Do you find that to be the case currently with the latest firmware updates for both? Early on I would agree the II versions were ahead, but in my use, the af of first gen caught up. Obviously, there are differences in other ways such as subject detection in wide area, but that doesn’t apply to general wildlife in the earlier Z cameras.
Yes - the Z6ii/Z7ii is better even after firmware updates. It's a combination of AF area modes and AF processing speed.

It's very hard to quantify AF speed, but accuracy and simply finding the eye or face are a bit better with the ii versions. I don't think it's a show stopper. I've got the Z8, and it's materially faster. I'm looking at selling my Z7ii and keeping the Z6 because of differences outside of subject detect AF - even though the Z7ii is faster and a little better, when that matters I'll just use the Z8.
 
If you can try and think down the road. Pick the SYSTEM that offers what you think you'll be interested in as you progress. Figure out whether Nikon, Sony, Canon, etc offer the best overall system then worry about which camera to start with.
Tech Gear Talk host on YouTube has a saying “buy nice or buy twice”. If the photography bug bites you will want something better, and it may only bite because you started with something better so you will then be set from the go. Good luck.
 
I am an OM-1 shooter, having transitioned from Nikon.

In the Nikon lineup the Z-8 is a no brainer IMHO. Unlike others, I am less than enthralled with Nikon's lens lineup because they don't have a first-rate zoom. If this is not a problem to you, I would go Nikon. However, a BIF 800pf Nikon lens would not do justice to a deer you run across while walking.

So.....my question is, for walking around.....do you want a zoom? I did which is why I am no longer Nikon.

Tom
 
I am an OM-1 shooter, having transitioned from Nikon.

In the Nikon lineup the Z-8 is a no brainer IMHO. Unlike others, I am less than enthralled with Nikon's lens lineup because they don't have a first-rate zoom. If this is not a problem to you, I would go Nikon. However, a BIF 800pf Nikon lens would not do justice to a deer you run across while walking.

So.....my question is, for walking around.....do you want a zoom? I did which is why I am no longer Nikon.

Tom

I’d say what about the 100-400, but I’m guessing you might find that too short? It takes a 1.4tc, and if you use dx crop you can get a decent FL equivalent. Of course, if they deliver on the 200-600…
 
I’d say what about the 100-400, but I’m guessing you might find that too short? It takes a 1.4tc, and if you use dx crop you can get a decent FL equivalent. Of course, if they deliver on the 200-600…

I think that you really need 800mm effective focal length for perched birds but you may need to back off a bit for BIF. 400x1.4x1.5=840mm in DX mode would be my choice for a walk-around lens to pair with a Z-8.
 
Hello all,

In 1976 I bought a used Nikon F from a local architect. I was preparing to go to school for a degree in architecture. I took some photography classes in college (Ansel Adams, Zone system). Over the next few years I moved to a Nikon FE, and a Nikon FE2. I enjoyed outdoor photography very much.

We have some land with several wildlife species, mostly deer and antelope. Now, I am interested in wildlife photography again. Somewhere along the way I got rid of the Nikon gear.

I am considering the Z6 ii right now. I do not intend to shoot birds in flight. Primarily deer sized animals. Of course, the Z8 has caught my attention. I have read a ton of reviews and watched untold hours of YouTube videos. I am bouncing back and forth between these two cameras.

I feel like the Z6 ii will do everything I am looking to do right now. I am looking for any information or experience to help me make that decision. Thanks for your time.

Micky
It depends on your wallet and how fat it is LOL.

Hope you work it out and become happy as...........its all depends on what your budget is, and the cheapest way with excellent results is Z6II with a 150-600 Sigma or Tamron GII or Nikon 200-500 you can get into the system for far less than the cost of a Z8 body only, once you have tasted it and you like it, your skill sets have arrived, and you know you want to go forward by that time Canon and Sony will have their game changing revolutionary gear out, bingo, happy days.

Remember to run a Z8 to its potential you need to spend extra on good cards.

Thom Hogan said that once you use the Z9 you will not want to go back to any other Z camera, i assume that may now read, except for the Z8 as its largely a Z9 anyway.

Remember date the camera marry the glass as Steve says.

The Z6 II is no comparison to the Z8 in performance but hey $1700 versus $4000 then you have to buy glass, that's all your call.

The next question is, are you doing video ?

Don't get caught up in the must have EYE Tracking, subject detect - 3 D tracking syndrome, along with all the other features, there all tools but not the end all to photography if you don't need them, its a little over rated, while it works well in ideal conditions for stills, eye tracking is more critical for video.


Lots of people are getting nice results on the Z6II

A) they know what their doing

B) their using good glass.

Put your money into glass you can always update the camera, i mean you may get into it then find its not what its cracked up to be.
Or you may want to go further and get into BIF.

The danger for Nikon here is that Canon has drilled down into its lower grade models tracking performance that is on par in many cases with the Z8 Z9, that is something Nikon hasn't done, yet, again if tracking is not your thing nor is video then why even go mirror less, you don't need 20 fps for a deer. My point being you can get resolution tracking video for good money on affordable Canon cameras that may well serve the purpose leaving good money for good glass.

Also a consideration Sigma and Tamron glass works very well if you know what your doing (150-600)

Personally starting out new i would go Canon over Nikon and i am currently a happy Nikon owner for now.

Z6II -Z8 100-400, 400 F4.5, 200-500, 500 pf, or 200-600, or 150-600 Sigma or Tamron

Canon has a range of excellent glass as well.

Sony is coming out with some killer power house gear to rival everyone again so game on, they will be stacking 10 -15 images to make one, i am guessing, higher resolution, super fast speed, better dynamic range, its the next page in the alliance book. Canons at least got good glass and drills the benefits down to sub models much much faster while Nikon is often still working out a recipe.

Only an opinion

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I would hesitate to recommend the XH2s as Fuji doesn't have much in the way of wildlife lenses (70-300 is good, but short; 100-400 has AF concerns, and 150-600 is large and f8 at long end). Great body, mediocre lens selection.
On Fuji I’d take the Tamron 150-500 in Fuji mount without hesitation. At $1300 right now, can’t beat that package and on an apsc body, it becomes a 225-750 field of view, with great optical quality. But it’s true that Fuji is not a top of mind for wildlife photographers - but that combo, X H2s + Tamron is the cheapest way I know to get to a stacked sensor with a decent lens to match.
 
On Fuji I’d take the Tamron 150-500 in Fuji mount without hesitation. At $1300 right now, can’t beat that package and on an apsc body, it becomes a 225-750 field of view, with great optical quality. But it’s true that Fuji is not a top of mind for wildlife photographers - but that combo, X H2s + Tamron is the cheapest way I know to get to a stacked sensor with a decent lens to match.
The OM-1 + 100-400 lens is slightly cheaper. But I forgot about that Tamron. Good alternative to the large slow 150-600. Fuji still need some good primes—400mm f4 maybe?
 
Yah my oly 300 w1.4tc has good reach but 30% of the time I’m too close. Sometimes makes me consider a zoom…
It all depends on what and where you are of course…but here in FL I’ve found the 400/4.5 with the TC and the 100-400 to be the ideal combo for me, and now that I’ve got the Z8 and Z9 I can get back to carrying 2 bodies on shorter hikes.
 
I suspect that whatever we see sensor wise in a Z7IIi or Z6III they will get the Expeed7 processor which will allow the better AF accuracy and speed that it and the associated algorithms provide. The stacked sensor probably also contributes to that but it seems largely more processor and software related while the better sensor helps with the frame rate. The updated cheaper bodies should pick up a lot of the hinge the higher priced ones can do because the processor and software dev is already done…so it’s a much smaller job to implement that part in the 6/7 line.
 
I appreciate everyone’s input here. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Some very good advice and suggestions. I am taking my time to make this decision.
Happy Father’s Day
 
Hello all,

In 1976 I bought a used Nikon F from a local architect. I was preparing to go to school for a degree in architecture. I took some photography classes in college (Ansel Adams, Zone system). Over the next few years I moved to a Nikon FE, and a Nikon FE2. I enjoyed outdoor photography very much.

We have some land with several wildlife species, mostly deer and antelope. Now, I am interested in wildlife photography again. Somewhere along the way I got rid of the Nikon gear.

I am considering the Z6 ii right now. I do not intend to shoot birds in flight. Primarily deer sized animals. Of course, the Z8 has caught my attention. I have read a ton of reviews and watched untold hours of YouTube videos. I am bouncing back and forth between these two cameras.

I feel like the Z6 ii will do everything I am looking to do right now. I am looking for any information or experience to help me make that decision. Thanks for your time.

Micky

The Fujifilm X-H2s is amazing. Limited lens selection but you can easily adapt Nikon F and Canon EF lenses
 
Hello all,

In 1976 I bought a used Nikon F from a local architect. I was preparing to go to school for a degree in architecture. I took some photography classes in college (Ansel Adams, Zone system). Over the next few years I moved to a Nikon FE, and a Nikon FE2. I enjoyed outdoor photography very much.

We have some land with several wildlife species, mostly deer and antelope. Now, I am interested in wildlife photography again. Somewhere along the way I got rid of the Nikon gear.

I am considering the Z6 ii right now. I do not intend to shoot birds in flight. Primarily deer sized animals. Of course, the Z8 has caught my attention. I have read a ton of reviews and watched untold hours of YouTube videos. I am bouncing back and forth between these two cameras.

I feel like the Z6 ii will do everything I am looking to do right now. I am looking for any information or experience to help me make that decision. Thanks for your time.

Micky
Micky, welcome to the forums and welcome back into photography. For what it’s worth: If you can afford it, I would go with the Z8. It gives you room for growth, it’s a versatile, all-around body that is rugged, lighter and smaller than the Z9, offers a “black-out“ free experience when shooting action, gets you into the mirrorless system, and has Nikon’s best AF system to date. If you’re not fully committed to getting back into photography, don’t neglect the thought of the D850 or D500; respectively, two of the best DSLR’s (full frame and ASP-C) produced. Just food for thought…good luck with your choice.
 
The Fujifilm X-H2s is amazing. Limited lens selection but you can easily adapt Nikon F and Canon EF lenses
I am hesitant to use an adapter for multiple reasons: 1) lens updates can render the adapter unusable until the adapter company makes a fix (not a problem with, e.g., the Nikon FTZ using F mount lenses on Z mount, but yes, a problem on Fringer type adapters), 2) it adds on the adapter, which may not be as strong as the native lens mount, and 3) the Fringer NF-FX adapter somehow damaged my Nikon 300 PF lens on the XH2s. Long story, but I won't trust 3rd party adapters again.
 
I would hesitate to recommend the XH2s as Fuji doesn't have much in the way of wildlife lenses (70-300 is good, but short; 100-400 has AF concerns, and 150-600 is large and f8 at long end). Great body, mediocre lens selection.
Our 100-400s never had AF concerns.
I've also used adapted long lenses with very good results and no problems
 
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