Nikkor Z 28-400mm?

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I just read the review on this lens from Photographylife. See https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z-28-400mm-f-4-8-vr/2
The reviewer does not think the lens focuses significantly slower, at least not slow enough to be an issue.

Here's what he does say: That said, despite the speed, it wasn’t quite as precise as a wide-aperture lens would have been. I blame this on the greater depth of field exhibited by an f/8 lens; the camera just has a harder time placing it perfectly. Sometimes, it would exhibit a little bit of front-focus or back-focus on a moving subject, especially at 400mm (and worse in low light). It was never terrible, but if you’re a dedicated wildlife photographer, most other 400mm lenses will have a bit of an advantage here.

I noticed that focus accuracy when tracking a flying bird with my Z8 and 500mm PF F/5.6 is better than when I have the TC-14E III mounted on the lens. With the TC mounted the effective aperture is also F/8.
 
Yes. If they call it "professional" it requires permits and fees. So nothing large (greater than 200mm or just pro looking, pro looking bodies etc) No large camera bags either. No long setup times for photos, they have time limits on the routes, although they didn't seem super strict on enforcing them but you also now have to be accompanied by a guide.

People jumping and taking a photo was banned for some reason too. I don't know the backstory on that one but they were serious about it.

I took the Zf and went in with a small prime on with a 6L bag that had my 14-30 and 24-200 and didn't have issues with that setup.

I think they've cracked down a lot because of the instagram types turning it into a photo shoot session and jamming up the popular viewpoints.
That’s good to know Lee. The “permits & fees” does not surprise me. Just another way to extract money from tourism and control crowded locations. I can totally understand the need to regular behavior at sites that attract frenetic visitors. In 2013 we were at Kilauea to photograph the caldera’s glow at sunset. As the sun set, three bus loads of children arrived and descended on the prime viewing platform. No supervision by adults or park staff…😕. So, in one sense I applaud the officials in Peru to regulate behavior at this sensitive historic site.
 
After months of internal debate, I bought one this fall for a trip to Maine to accompany my Z8 and Z14-30 f4S as I didn't want to carry my Z100-400S. I probably shot 90%+ with the 28-400, as its convenience was so good and the image quality is so good especially in good light (better than the F-mount 28-300). It makes a great "2 lens" kit for travel, and the image quality was better than I expected. I also brought my Z 24-120S as backup, but only used it for some shots at dusk. The 28-400 also makes for a great "car seat" lens for driving when you don't always know what you will see (landscape, wildlife, etc). If my only goal on a given day is to shoot wildlife or birds, I would use the 100-400 or 600 pf, but as an all-around lens, the 28-400 is hard to beat.
 
After months of internal debate, I bought one this fall for a trip to Maine to accompany my Z8 and Z14-30 f4S as I didn't want to carry my Z100-400S. I probably shot 90%+ with the 28-400, as its convenience was so good and the image quality is so good especially in good light (better than the F-mount 28-300). It makes a great "2 lens" kit for travel, and the image quality was better than I expected. I also brought my Z 24-120S as backup, but only used it for some shots at dusk. The 28-400 also makes for a great "car seat" lens for driving when you don't always know what you will see (landscape, wildlife, etc). If my only goal on a given day is to shoot wildlife or birds, I would use the 100-400 or 600 pf, but as an all-around lens, the 28-400 is hard to beat.
I hear from club member's its a great all round lens and a tad better the the 28-300.
 
I do a lot of non-wildlife photography and love the 28-400 for travel, events, landscapes, flower photography, and so forth. If there's enough light, the image quality is excellent. And I've definitely taken some nice wildlife photos with the lens as well in good light conditions, but as others have said, if I'm going out specifically to shoot wildlife, it wouldn't be my first choice of lens. So if you do a lot of other types of photography, I would highly recommend it.
 
Seriously?😳…that’s pretty subjective….
I encountered the same problem at a site outside of Oaxca. No point in arguing with a staff person in such situations. At least with a mirrorless camera with internal image stabilization one can shoot hand held.

Part of the problem is the need for guides to move groups of people as quickly as possible around a site and so not want someone setting up a tripod and possibly blocking other vistors. This is the norm in museums and arboretums and art galleries and aquariums.
 
Has anyone used this lens and what are your impressions…..
I think it is a great travel lens. Very happy with the images
 

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I picked one of these up today as they're on sale $300 off. It's going to replace my 24-200 and Tamron 70-300 I had bought before it existed. I also have the 14-30. One of the two former and the 14-30 has been my travel kit since getting the Z5 in 2020 so this will now be the 28-400 and 14-30 which is a nice pair of travel lenses.

I'm a huge fan of this all-in one superzoom for travel as you can just leave on on the lens all day and not carry any bag and the 24-200 was plenty enough image quality for my travel images. I expect this to be more of the same with an extra 200 mm at the other end.

I took it out here in SLC and tried it on some birds in the wildlife refuge nearby and it for sure works on birds in decent light and the quality is pretty good. Certainly a few steps above any of these type lenses that existed in the DSLR days.

Like everyone says there's always a better lens in a specific focal length but nothing that can do what a 24-200 or 28-400 can in its versatility of not having to carry anything else. With the Z8 the DX crop makes for a very usable 600mm at 19mp crop factor. Pretty amazing really to have 28-600 with the crop on one lens. Awesome.

Here's a few shots I took this afternoon with it. I felt for the Heron with the piece of reed or stick stuck in just under its eye.


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It's good to have inconspicuous lenses traveling. This spring I visited Macchu Picchu and they would not allow "professional" looking equipment in the site. No tripods, monopods or lenses that looked big.
A lot of racetracks and sports stadiums list any lens above 6" in length, pro level and not allowed. I'm tempted to get the 70-180 Z just for the NY racetracks.
Vinny
 
It's clear that Nikon clients vote with their wallets.

The 28-400 has been the No 1 selling Nikkor for Gray's of Westminster, London for 2024 (see the data slide close to the end of this video 1:08). This statistic surprised the staff somewhat

 
It's clear that Nikon clients vote with their wallets.

The 28-400 has been the No 1 selling Nikkor for Gray's of Westminster, London for 2024 (see the data slide close to the end of this video 1:08). This statistic surprised the staff somewhat

I'm not surprised really, these all-in-one superzoom are like the Swiss army knife of lenses. It's truly the "F8 and be anywhere" lens. Just really fun for walking around with no particular goal and you can take all kinds of different shots. This one and a 14-30 plus the 26mm/40mm 2.8/2 are my favorites to get on a plane with.

They really shine for video as well.
 
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Different products for different markets?
Grays of Westminster in the UK in their last video reporting best sellers for 2024 said they would've not forecast the 28 400 would be the best seller for the year – but it was!

Convenience lenses can sell surprisingly well – the original 18–200 DX lens was on backorder for over two years despite Nikon opening a new production line to increase the supply.
 
Different products for different markets?
Grays of Westminster in the UK in their last video reporting best sellers for 2024 said they would've not forecast the 28 400 would be the best seller for the year – but it was!

Convenience lenses can sell surprisingly well – the original 18–200 DX lens was on backorder for over two years despite Nikon opening a new production line to increase the supply.
Yes I remember the 18-200 DX very well, and it was an ideal pairing on my D500. Excellent value and even more so today in a DX system. Mine replaced the inferior 55-200 DX (that I traded in, and with a good riddance)
 
I'm not surprised really, these all-in-one superzoom are like the Swiss army knife of lenses. It's truly the "F8 and be anywhere" lens. Just really fun for walking around with no particular goal and you can take all kinds of different shots. This one and a 14-30 plus the 26mm/40mm 2.8/2 are my favorites to get on a plane with.

They really shine for video as well.
Lee, since you had the 24-200 prior, how do you feel the 28-400 compares in overall IQ in the overlap range? In use, what do you think of the weight, size difference. I have been looking at a few different options for non photography based travel that has photo opportunities. Not specifically an all in one type solution but have a few options based on the trip. I have the 28/40 primes, 14-30, 24-70/4, 24-120/4 and 100-400, and been thinking of the 24-200 as a flexible all in one or 70-180 or Tamron 70-300 as options to pair with the 24-70 and Zf. My other thought was to get the Z50ii with two lens kit.
 
Lee, since you had the 24-200 prior, how do you feel the 28-400 compares in overall IQ in the overlap range? In use, what do you think of the weight, size difference. I have been looking at a few different options for non photography based travel that has photo opportunities. Not specifically an all in one type solution but have a few options based on the trip. I have the 28/40 primes, 14-30, 24-70/4, 24-120/4 and 100-400, and been thinking of the 24-200 as a flexible all in one or 70-180 or Tamron 70-300 as options to pair with the 24-70 and Zf. My other thought was to get the Z50ii with two lens kit.
Very similar. I'll shoot some side by side and see if we can see the difference. But from just using it all yesterday on birds of all things it was better than I expected. I think like everyone I have memory's of older all-in-ones from DSLR days where it was just soft. This is not that it's just a F8 and be there for 200-400mm or 600mm in DX on the Z8.

I'm very happy with it as I was with the 24-200 paired with the 14-30 and the "light" primes, the Nikon 26 2.8, 28 2.8 and 40 F2. Those primes are awesome for travel and I use them way more than my S primes. IQ is still great with those and all of these still have weather sealing. I think people get hung up a lot on having the absolute most IQ out of lenses and forget how awesome lighter lenses with 90% of that IQ are. For nearly all actual image output that you will share with others that last 10% would be wiped out by the medium it's viewed on anyway, which is an iPhone or lower quality monitor on a laptop or smaller /medium prints.

The IQ out of these super all in ones or the light Nikon primes would have been considered first rate back in DSLR times around 2010, something to consider for perspective. Either the 24-200 or 28-400 are sharper/very close to as sharp as than my old F 24-120 F4.

I don't think IQ should be a decision point for these two. Focal length is what you're after and honestly it's pick what you like more 24mm or 400mm. Size and weight are not that far apart, the 400 is only about an inch longer, weight is about the same ish hand holding them. Since I have the 14-30 in my pocket (I hate camera bags) I can just pop that on when I enter buildings or tight streets and then use the 28-400 90% of the time. At night I switch to 26/28 2.8 and 40 F2 for street/restaurants buildings or whatever. I also have the Vitrox 20mm 2.8 because it's super compact and light for even wider night use. IQ is similar to the Nikon light primes on that one, great and amazing for its price. It's very compact and a feather light lens, I'll carry it and the 40 F2 if I need that wider angle.

The 70-300 I forgot to mention is a little sharper than the 24-200, it's extremely light as well. I like the 24-200 and 28-400 more though. That lens makes sense if you wanted to go 24-70 F4 or 70-180 though. Personally I way prefer the 28-400 or 24-200 though because no lens switching means no need for camera bag and that's liberating. It's also really great in weather especially dust.

Using this 28-400 on my Z8 that's with me on this trip is wild, it's basically a 28-600 with the Z8's DX crop ability and you can't deny how useful that is in one lens traveling.

One last note, I think people focus on IQ of these lenses way to much, Photographylife put up images side by side of the 24-120 and 28-400 and it's honestly negligible difference in sharpness viewing the images. The real difference is aperture limitations. These superzoom make you feel a bit aperture claustrophobic as you have to be comfortable at being f6.3 and F8 almost all the time, that's the real difference in using them, not so much are they sharp enough, because they are.

The difference between the 24-120 F4 and these won't be some razor sharpness difference at all, but rather that F4 at 120 is a real DOF difference you won't get on either the 24-200 or 28-400. That's what should be the determining factor if these lenses are for you. These lenses are aperture limited, not sharpness or IQ limited.

The end compromise is a whopper of focal length options without having to drag around multiple lenses and swap them constantly. That "should I swap this" will cost you images that this lens will get. Weigh that with the images you'll lose not having F4/5.6 etc and be very honest with yourself as to how much you will be willing to bring all the other lenses AND switch them when you need to to gain that F4 set of image options. That's the real compromise to consider for your personal needs.
 
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Very similar. I'll shoot some side by side and see if we can see the difference. But from just using it all yesterday on birds of all things it was better than I expected. I think like everyone I have memory's of older all-in-ones from DSLR days where it was just soft. This is not that it's just a F8 and be there for 200-400mm or 600mm in DX on the Z8.

I'm very happy with it as I was with the 24-200 paired with the 14-30 and the "light" primes, the Nikon 26 2.8, 28 2.8 and 40 F2. Those primes are awesome for travel and I use them way more than my S primes. IQ is still great with those and all of these still have weather sealing. I think people get hung up a lot on having the absolute most IQ out of lenses and forget how awesome lighter lenses with 90% of that IQ are. For nearly all actual image output that you will share with others that last 10% would be wiped out by the medium it's viewed on anyway, which is an iPhone or lower quality monitor on a laptop or smaller /medium prints.

The IQ out of these super all in ones or the light Nikon primes would have been considered first rate back in DSLR times around 2010, something to consider for perspective. Either the 24-200 or 28-400 are sharper/very close to as sharp as than my old F 24-120 F4.

I don't think IQ should be a decision point for these two. Focal length is what you're after and honestly it's pick what you like more 24mm or 400mm. Size and weight are not that far apart, the 400 is only about an inch longer, weight is about the same ish hand holding them. Since I have the 14-30 in my pocket (I hate camera bags) I can just pop that on when I enter buildings or tight streets and then use the 28-400 90% of the time. At night I switch to 26/28 2.8 and 40 F2 for street/restaurants buildings or whatever. I also have the Vitrox 20mm 2.8 because it's super compact and light for even wider night use. IQ is similar to the Nikon light primes on that one, great and amazing for its price. It's very compact and a feather light lens, I'll carry it and the 40 F2 if I need that wider angle.

The 70-300 I forgot to mention is a little sharper than the 24-200, it's extremely light as well. I like the 24-200 and 28-400 more though. That lens makes sense if you wanted to go 24-70 F4 or 70-180 though. Personally I way prefer the 28-400 or 24-200 though because no lens switching means no need for camera bag and that's liberating. It's also really great in weather especially dust.

Using this 28-400 on my Z8 that's with me on this trip is wild, it's basically a 28-600 with the Z8's DX crop ability and you can't deny how useful that is in one lens traveling.

One last note, I think people focus on IQ of these lenses way to much, Photographylife put up images side by side of the 24-120 and 28-400 and it's honestly negligible difference in sharpness viewing the images. The real difference is aperture limitations. These superzoom make you feel a bit aperture claustrophobic as you have to be comfortable at being f6.3 and F8 almost all the time, that's the real difference in using them, not so much are they sharp enough, because they are.

The difference between the 24-120 F4 and these won't be some razor sharpness difference at all, but rather that F4 at 120 is a real DOF difference you won't get on either the 24-200 or 28-400. That's what should be the determining factor if these lenses are for you. These lenses are aperture limited, not sharpness or IQ limited.

The end compromise is a whopper of focal length options without having to drag around multiple lenses and swap them constantly. That "should I swap this" will cost you images that this lens will get. Weigh that with the images you'll lose not having F4/5.6 etc and be very honest with yourself as to how much you will be willing to bring all the other lenses AND switch them when you need to to gain that F4 set of image options. That's the real compromise to consider for your personal needs.
Thanks for your detailed response. I think it makes a lot of sense. I have the 24-120 and 100-400 for a high IQ 2 lens travel set. I have used the 24-120 by itself quite often and it does very well but sometimes I’m need a little more focal length.I like the size of my 24-70 and was thinking of what to pair with it, but realistically either of the super zooms would probably be a better option than taking two lenses for the times 70mm is not enough. If I wanted to get to 400, my 100-400 would probably make the trip so leaning towards a 24-200. I think the wider end would be more practical for me because when I took the 18-135 Fuji I always felt I needed a little wider.

I looked at the 20mm Viltrox you mentioned and see some conflicting reviews. How are you finding the corners of that lens? Some reviews say they are really soft others say sharp across the frame. It seems like a great price and is the right size.
 
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