Nikon Z 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 lens

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Hello guys,
Excuse me to use this topic Karl but i m also trying to figure out which lenses i should take and it’s related to yours question as well :)
Hope you don’t mind.
Cause currently i want to replace my 200-400 f4 vii with a Z mount and I hesitate beetween the 180-600 and the 100-400 with TC.
Cause currently I only had the Z 24-120 f4 with a Z8 body.
Currently only have the opportunity to shoot deers, fox or flying birds, but planned to do a safari in coming years.
Which one you recommend ?
The 180-600 cause i don’t have the 600PF ?
 
Hello guys,
Excuse me to use this topic Karl but i m also trying to figure out which lenses i should take and it’s related to yours question as well :)
Hope you don’t mind.
Cause currently i want to replace my 200-400 f4 vii with a Z mount and I hesitate beetween the 180-600 and the 100-400 with TC.
Cause currently I only had the Z 24-120 f4 with a Z8 body.
Currently only have the opportunity to shoot deers, fox or flying birds, but planned to do a safari in coming years.
Which one you recommend ?
The 180-600 cause i don’t have the 600PF ?
Not a problem at all Machlott! I had the 180-600, but sold it when I purchased the 600PF. My reasons: weight due to recent surgeries; I shot at 600mm 99% of the time; and I honestly find the 600PF sharper, quicker, and having a higher percentage of keepers. There are times I miss my 180-600 for the versatility, but I am truly enjoying the 600PF, and it stays married to my Z9.

Now that I have the 600mm focal length, I’m looking to fill those “in between” focal lengths. I thought hard about the 400mm f/4.5, but then I’m back to having to fill gaps in the focal range. I believe the 100-400 will fit my needs. With the TC-1.4, I’ll have 140-560mm with the 100-400mm and 840mm with the 600PF.

So, your question: Which do I recommend? That’s really a tough question. It really depends on your needs, wants, and expectations. I don’t know how much it means to you, but the 600mmPF, and 100-400mm are “S” lenses, where the 180-600mm is not. Price wise, I think the 180-600mm is a great value and I got some outstanding shots with it. So, my recommendation would be………whichever one you think is most beneficial to what you plan to use it for. Hope this helps abit!
 
Hello guys,
Excuse me to use this topic Karl but i m also trying to figure out which lenses i should take and it’s related to yours question as well :)
Hope you don’t mind.
Cause currently i want to replace my 200-400 f4 vii with a Z mount and I hesitate beetween the 180-600 and the 100-400 with TC.
Cause currently I only had the Z 24-120 f4 with a Z8 body.
Currently only have the opportunity to shoot deers, fox or flying birds, but planned to do a safari in coming years.
Which one you recommend ?
The 180-600 cause i don’t have the 600PF ?
The 180-600 is slightly better than the 100-400 (I have both) when peeping in LR at a lines per inch chart…but IMO for real images either on display or printed there is little difference to see and which is better depends on the quality of me the shooter’s performance. The longer one is heavier and has a worse MFD but is an internal zoom, the shorter one is the opposite of those. I have no issue using the 1.4TC on either or on my 600PF. I carry the lighter zoom and the 600 on 2 body outings and the longer zoom alone on 1 body outings. If I did not have the 600 and was forced to only have one of the zooms I would slightly prefer the longer one because sometimes here in FL or in Africa for instance 840 is needed…but I’m fortunate have all 3 so I pick what is needed today…length of hike and the related weight is a big factor in the choice. Ypu really can’t go wrong either way IMO. 400 will be iMO too short for safari work and even with the RC 560 was still sometimes too short…in TZ with Steve I shot about half my 33K shots with the 100-400 and half with the 600 PF and about half or a bit more of the 600 ones were with the TC, and probably only a few hundred less than 200 with the zoom.

Since Karl has the 600PF I agree the 100-400 is a better second lens choice.
 
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The 180-600 is slightly better than the 100-400 (I have both) when peeing in LR at a lines per inch chart…but IMO for real images either on display or printed there is little difference to see and which is better depends on the quality of me the shooter’s performance. The longer one is heavier and has a worse MFD but is an internal zoom, the shorter one is the opposite of those. I have no issue using the 1.4TC on either or on my 600PF. I carry the lighter zoom and the 600 on 2 body outings and the longer zoom alone on 1 body outings. If I did not have the 600 and was forced to only have one of the zooms I would slightly prefer the longer one because sometimes here in FL or in Africa for instance 840 is needed…but I’m fortunate have all 3 so I pick what is needed today…length of hike and the related weight is a big factor in the choice. Ypu really can’t go wrong either way IMO. 400 will be iMO too short for safari work and even with the RC 560 was still sometimes too short…in TZ with Steve I shot about half my 33K shots with the 100-400 and half with the 600 PF and about half or a bit more of the 600 ones were with the TC, and probably only a few hundred less than 200 with the zoom.

Since Karl has the 600PF I agree the 100-400 is a better second lens choice.
Thanks that confirm my choice to the 180-600.
And maybe i wil also took the 1.4TC, this could still be use on both 180-600 and 24-120.
 
I have it, I love it and I can't wai until I have a second body, so that I can have the big gun (500 / 700 / 850) on the tripod for the primary target and the body with 100-400 on my laps for the nice surprises vcoming along while waiting :)
 
I believe in dual camera dual lens setups for field work. In this respect I think the general rule is that the longer focal length should be double the shorter length.

At one point I owned the 400mm f4.5, the 600mm pf and the 800mm pf. I found that these three lenses are too close to each other and I ended up selling the 600mm pf.

The 400mm f4.5 remains one of my favorite wildlife lenses and I still use it extensively. With this 400 prime teleconverters work well and you can also crop extensively when working with a 45mp sensor. It works perfectly with the 800mm and I also work it effectively for shorter subjects with the 70-200mm f2.8. With that combination I have a 200, 400 and 800 and they work well together.

I have not owned the 100-400 but have read up on it a lot. Its advantages are flexibility and minimum focusing distance. It does not do as well as the 400mm prime for cropping or use with teleconverters, but you will probably not need to worry about that since you have the 600mm pf.

My suggestion is that if you are considering going to the 800mm pf some day (and it is a fabulous lens) consider what you will want with it, in which case I would recommend the 400 f4.5 prime. If you are going to stick with the 600mm pf and even maybe one day haul out the big bucks for the 600mm tc, then get the 100-400 as Karen recommends.
 
Hello guys,
Cause currently i want to replace my 200-400 f4 vii with a Z mount and I hesitate beetween the 180-600 and the 100-400 with TC.
Cause currently I only had the Z 24-120 f4 with a Z8 body.
Currently only have the opportunity to shoot deers, fox or flying birds, but planned to do a safari in coming years.
Which one you recommend ?
The 180-600 cause i don’t have the 600PF ?

Do you crop much with the 200-400 or use it regularly with a TC? If the answer to either question is, yes, the 180-600 will better fit what you shoot. It'll also be lighter than the 200-400 and perform just as well in low light as the F-mount zoom.

Good luck.
 
I have a Z9 and both the 100-400mm S and the 600mm f6.3 pf S z mount lenses. The first weighs 3 lb 2.7 ounces with tripod collar; the second 3 lb 3.9 ounces with the tripod collar mount. The 100-400m feels heavier on the camera likely because of balance and design. I bought the 600mm (second purchase) when I found the 100-400mm too short.

As others have said I do NOT like the hood on the 100-400mm. It feels cheap and sometimes is hard to get off once put on. But the lens focuses closely which can be a huge benefit.

I use it with the 1.4x tc too. And I use that same tc on my 600mm pf.

I bought the 100-400mm instead of the 70-200mm f2.8 or the 70-180mm f2.8.

I have no issues to report regarding image quality with either lens. It comes down to what focal lengths you need for your type of photography.
 
Depends on ones tendency to best as opposed to good enough is the enemy of better…but Akamai unless one is a pro making money from photography…the 600PF and a 100-400 with the TC 1.4 is more than good enough for the vast majority of people. Yes…the exotic expenprimes are better when peeping inLR…but at output the results of all that extra money y and weight are IMO wasted for most people. There are some that insist on the best no matter the cost…but spending money with no significant improvement seems dumb to me. OTOH..there are lots of,people,that spendcra money on boats or cars or golf…or whatever…but the bang for the buck principle should always apply…at least in my world.
 
Afternoon fellow members! This has probably been previously discussed in detail, but I don't have time to search right away. I recently sold the last of my Nikon "F" mount lenses and am replacing with "Z" mount. Presently, my Z mount lenses consist of: 24-200 f/4-6.3 (which I'll be replacing with the 24-120 f/4), 105mm Micro f/2.8 S, and 600mmPF f/6.3 S, and Z TC-1.4. I am strongly considering the Nikon Z 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 S lens, strictly for the versatility of the zoom range covering that mid to long focal length.

The nearest camera outlet that might have a 100-400 is in Houston, TX approximately 3-hours away. There is nothing locally that I could have a "hands on" inspection, therefore, I'll have to rely on many of your experiences. I realize that the Z 400mm f/4.5 S is probably sharper and slightly better color rendition, but it's nothing I can't deal with in post editing, and if I bought it, I'd still have the void in the 300mm focal length area.

I recently watched one of Steve's Costa Rica videos where he quickly discussed using his wife's 100-400. I've watched many other videos and comparisons, but I would love to hear from those of you that have personal experience with the lens, pros and cons. Thank you in advance for your consideration!

Karl
I shoot with the Nikon 100-400 and the Nikon 600PF, a very nice combo and easy to travel with, plus two Z8s. I've read, and it's stated here, that the lens is somewhat soft at 400mm. I just have not found that to be the case. Maybe it depends on the copy you get. Forgive me for posting a photo in your thread but I think it makes the case, although sometimes what we post here looks soft when it's actually sharp. This cheetah image was shot at 400mm, the focus point was actually on the top of the grass (so might have been even sharper if I'd got the lens pointed at the right spot!), and the distance was 27m or 90 feet. It's quite sharp and very detailed. I think it's a great lens to use on a second camera to get the wider shots. I have no complaints.

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I just tried my Sony 200 600 & 300 f 2.8 plus 2TC with Z9 with the Megadep ETZ21 pro adapter & found the combos to be pretty good . How ever 200 600 with Z9 is pretty heavy for my hands
Now I plan to buy Sony 100 400 for Z9 to be used with the adapter. I then get the flexibility of using Sony lenses with Z9 with out any AF issues . While I have been using z9 with 400 f 4.5 for videos, a zoom like 100 400 is a pretty good option
 
The nearest camera outlet that might have a 100-400 is in Houston, TX approximately 3-hours away. There is nothing locally that I could have a "hands on" inspection, therefore, I'll have to rely on many of your experiences.
This is an increasing problem as the number of camera retailers continues to decline.
About once a year with only about a two hour drive each way I can go to a WEX show held in store and handle most Nikon lenses.

Everybody's needs differ as to what works and and budget.
What is right one is not necessarily right for you or anybody else.

I use the 100–400, 180–600 and also the 180–400 F mount (bought in a sale) for different purposes.

Nikon provides quite a few options with optical quality, weight and reasonable prices generally way better than was available 5-7 years ago.

When it comes to handling the 100–400 weighs about 3.3 pound.
It comes into its own for those who do subjects such as butterflies and dragonflies as it covers a four wide subject at 400mm - before adding a TC.
I had some slightly different issues with the hood. My retailer I hours drive away knew exactly what to do to get it to work perfectly!

The 180-600 is about 50% bigger and weighs about 5.3 pounds.
It can cover a 7 inch wide subject.
It is relatively very affordable- though as it does not have nano coating it is possible to induce flare - if you try hard enough.

The 180–400 weighs over 9 pounds and ideally needs something substantial to transport it.
For me it has the "magic" of f4 and the convenience of an instant flick in 1.4 TC plus reasonable close focus ability.
At age over 80 it is now too heavy for me to carry any distance.

The relatively affordable 400 f4.5 nd 600 f6.3 have a little better image rendering et cetera, but no zoom facility

The exotics costing over £/$10,000 can be hired for a Safari trip or for testing prior to a possible purchase.

What you buy unless winning the lottery big time is a decision for you.
 
I use an adapted F-mount Sigma 100-400mm lens on my Z6II. It has been a very versatile lens. I have also used it with my D500, which gives the lens an equivalent field of view of 150-600mm.

The Nikon Z 100-400mm lens would be a good complement to your other lenses. If you want more reach with it you could use it with your TC-14X converter, or a Z50II body. You also have your 600mm PF.

The 180-600mm lens is also an interesting option. But will be noticeably bigger and heavier than your other lenses, if that matters to you.

Good luck with making a decision.
 
100-400… indispensable part of my kit, when the situation calls for it there’s no other one lens that can do all of what it can (super up-close/near macro, portraits, landscapes, wildlife, and on and on).

The Brickwall and Test Chart Shooting Association, Inc. (BATCASA, or Bat House, as it’s lovingly dubbed by its adherents), will moan about some MTF dip and it being “not as sharp as my 400TC” after 300mm or whatever, but for those of us that actually, you know, shoot with the lens in real life, it doesn’t make one iota of difference to a well composed and executed final image.
 
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100-400… indispensable part of my kit, when the situation calls for it there’s no other one lens that can do all of what it can (super up-close/near macro, portraits, landscapes, wildlife, and on and on).

The Brickwall and Test Chart Shooting Association, Inc. (BATCASA, or Bat House, as it’s lovingly dubbed by its adherents), will moan about some MTF dip and it being “not as sharp as my 400TC” after 300mm or whatever, but for those of us that actually, you know, shoot with the lens in real life, it doesn’t make one iota of difference to a well composed and executed final image.
It would be my opinion that a lot of the technical minutiae people go on and on about in photography has very little to do with what you called a "well composed and executed final image." Not to say that good gear does not make a difference because, of course, it does.
 
I have the 100-400 in addition to an 800PF. There are two main reasons I chose this lens. If the prime is too long I really want the versatility of a zoom lens. Second, the weight of the 180-600 is enough to keep me from carrying it as a secondary lens. I have no problem hand-holding heavy lenses, but I don't want to carry that much unnecessary weight around.

My experience with the 100-400 is mostly positive. However, there are a few things I'm less happy with, and the hood isn't one of them. While the lens has a short MFD that allows for decent magnification and close up photography, I do find the close focusing to be rather unreliable. For my hands the zoom, focus and programmable ring are oddly positioned when hand-holding the lens.
 
I am late to the conversation, and most of my experience mirrors what others have said, so I will just add that I own, use and really like the Z100-400S. It was my second Z lens after the Z24-120S for my Z8. It works great if you are shooting large mammals or bees on flowers or hummingbirds. It is a little short for birds, but I use the Z600PF for them. It is also surprisingly good as a landscape lens if you like the compression of longer focal lengths. You won't regret buying it.
 
Afternoon fellow members! This has probably been previously discussed in detail, but I don't have time to search right away. I recently sold the last of my Nikon "F" mount lenses and am replacing with "Z" mount. Presently, my Z mount lenses consist of: 24-200 f/4-6.3 (which I'll be replacing with the 24-120 f/4), 105mm Micro f/2.8 S, and 600mmPF f/6.3 S, and Z TC-1.4. I am strongly considering the Nikon Z 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 S lens, strictly for the versatility of the zoom range covering that mid to long focal length.

The nearest camera outlet that might have a 100-400 is in Houston, TX approximately 3-hours away. There is nothing locally that I could have a "hands on" inspection, therefore, I'll have to rely on many of your experiences. I realize that the Z 400mm f/4.5 S is probably sharper and slightly better color rendition, but it's nothing I can't deal with in post editing, and if I bought it, I'd still have the void in the 300mm focal length area.

I recently watched one of Steve's Costa Rica videos where he quickly discussed using his wife's 100-400. I've watched many other videos and comparisons, but I would love to hear from those of you that have personal experience with the lens, pros and cons. Thank you in advance for your consideration!

Karl
Happy photography and enjoy your new lens. You know you are going to buy one;) But here goes anyways.

I'll begin with my personal summary of the Z 100-400. It is one the finest lenses ever made. Before I continue, please don't take the technical aspect of what I write as personal. Facts are facts and none of this is meant to hurt feelings. Hopefully, depending upon your skill level and willingness to progress as a photographer, you'll find some value in what I am about to write.

So with that said, allow me to qualify that remark. It is one of the finest lenses ever made when in the hands of a proficient photographer with the pride, knowledge and skill to competently operate any camera or any lenses to its fullest potential. It does not ship with skill included.

It does not ship "soft" or as a "bad copy". Granting that some small percentage of everything created by man can be flawed, there is no recall for these lenses based upon documented manufacturing problems that has ever included any that I have used.

A huge mistake is comparing it to any other lens. Comparing it to a 400mm prime is disconnected logic. It is a zoom lens. A prime is a prime. Nobody who designed any 100-400 zoom lens intended it to be a 400mm prime lens. Nobody who ever designed any prime intended it to be a zoom. You get the idea. One close focuses at inside 2 feet, maybe 19 inches, if my memory is correct, and the other focuses at around 15 feet. Interchangeability was not the designer's objective.

Nobody ever intended the Z100-400 zoom, and any 100-400 zoom, to be suitable substitute for a 400mm prime. Especially a fast 400mm prime. You cannot compare the two without ignoring the fact that they are not designed to perform the same function.

The question seems to be does the 400mm end of it work for you. The answer to that can only be decided by the person operating it and that individuals proficiency level. That's you and only you. Competency is everything.

Personally speaking the Z100-400mm lens has never produced a poor image at 400mm except when I gave it bad instruction during the exposure and composition phase of creating an image. Simply out of building good work habits, I do not use post processing to correct mistakes. My mistakes are called "throw ways". I have never had a lens decide form one image to the next to change its mind about what I told it to do unless I screwed it up.

In the interest of fairness, I also have a Tamron 100-400mm f mount lenses that produces images indistinguishable to the Z100-400 when used properly. But I love Z system lenses and FTZ Tamron just isn't as much fun as a Z lens on a Z body. However, you would never know the difference in the results in comparable images without seeing the data showing which lens was used for which image. What defines the image is how I control light that is presented to the surface of the sensor at the moment I release the shutter.

It is very likely, given that you are asking this question, that your results using the Z100-400 at 400mm would be nowhere close to Steve Perry's results with the same gear under identical circumstances. Neither would mine. It will not be the gear that makes the difference. It will be experience and practice and dedication to the art that Steve Perry has invested that will make him images superior. It is the hands that are holding the gear and the mind making the exposure and composition decisions that are seen when one looks at outstanding images.
There are tons of them posted here on BCGF.


Your remark that you are happy dealing with less than satisfactory results, that you say you can deal with via post processing, does send up a flag from my perspective. It tells me you believe that lenses are responsible for focus when that it is the function of the photographer. We are not talking about a cheap, bargain basement knock-off lens. If you focus it properly it will respond accordingly.

I have exposed thousands of images with the Z100-400. Everything from close up near macro to TC2x and all the things it is designed to do in between. This lens is never "soft" although I can make it soft intentionally or by not paying attention to my focus. I have never had a "bad copy" of any lens I have ever touched. Personally speaking, my Z100-400, or any other lens is use, will take bad images only when I make mistakes in operating it and put bad light onto the sensor.

Usage is everything. You're the sole variable in that part of the equation. The Z100-400mm will create excellent images across the entire gamut of the it's design parameters. It only does what the user tells it they want done.

I am a true believer that before anyone pays big bucks for any piece of camera gear that paying for an education in exposure would be money better spent. Skill is always more important than the cost of a camera or lens if photographic quality is the goal.

When photography is an ego hobby then gear price is a major point of discussion.

When photographic competency and proficiency are the reasons someone loves cameras and taking pictures, then education, knowledge and pride are main talking points instead of gear.

Buying the best hockey stick will not get you into the NHL Hall of Fame if you don't know how to skate and play the game before you one. Camera gear works exactly the same way.

We all get to decide where we fall in assessing who we are and why we take pictures. There's is no right or wrong approach.

My suggestion would be for you to go to Flickr and search the gallery of images shot with the Z100-400. You will find literally thousands of images produced by all levels of photographer using the lens.

 
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I have both the 100-400 and 600PF. They are an excellent combination for wildlife. I grab whichever one is best for an outing. The 100-400 gets me great results as long as I do not try to over crop an image. 2x is a good limit (800 mm equiv.). I tried a 1.4 TC on both, but got the same or better results cropping with a Z8. The 100-400 has the flexibility to zoom out and close focus. The 600PF has the flexibility to crop in.
 
I had the same experience as well. Solved it by purchasing a Zemlin hood for my 100-400. I sold the lens a while ago (decided to go with the 70-200/400 combo), but have not yet sold the hood or Arca foot as I've toyed with re-purchasing the 100-400. It is just so versatile!

If the Nikon hood's removal issues bug you - might want to consider a Zemlin one.
I actually took an Emery board and filed the latch a bit. Now the lens hood comes off easily.
 
Afternoon fellow members! This has probably been previously discussed in detail, but I don't have time to search right away. I recently sold the last of my Nikon "F" mount lenses and am replacing with "Z" mount. Presently, my Z mount lenses consist of: 24-200 f/4-6.3 (which I'll be replacing with the 24-120 f/4), 105mm Micro f/2.8 S, and 600mmPF f/6.3 S, and Z TC-1.4. I am strongly considering the Nikon Z 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 S lens, strictly for the versatility of the zoom range covering that mid to long focal length.

The nearest camera outlet that might have a 100-400 is in Houston, TX approximately 3-hours away. There is nothing locally that I could have a "hands on" inspection, therefore, I'll have to rely on many of your experiences. I realize that the Z 400mm f/4.5 S is probably sharper and slightly better color rendition, but it's nothing I can't deal with in post editing, and if I bought it, I'd still have the void in the 300mm focal length area.

I recently watched one of Steve's Costa Rica videos where he quickly discussed using his wife's 100-400. I've watched many other videos and comparisons, but I would love to hear from those of you that have personal experience with the lens, pros and cons. Thank you in advance for your consideration!

Karl

You have the 24-120, adding the 100-400 makes a good match.

Some of our camera club members enjoy the versatility and size of the 100-400, and all enjoy the outcomes, especially if the subject is close, they are serious birders as well.
PS - however a couple of members have said their samples are a fraction soft at the 400 end, mostly at distance, but i don't know more than that.

Versatility versus IQ = compromise = based on what you actually want to shoot = decision.

I would go on a few enjoyable days in Texas, even ring ahead to a reputable camera store and even rent a lens for the day or two while there.

Good luck

Only an opinion
 
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