Nikon z 180-600 with 1.4 TC

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What is a "good copy"?
It's probably easier to define a 'bad copy' as one that just does not produce crisp images even though the lens works perfectly otherwise.

Apart from the visual assessment of sharpness in the shots, my expectations for sharpness were set by the MTF charts for the Z 180-600 which showed that it should be sharper than my Sigma 500 f4. The results on the card showed that it clearly wasn't as well as being unacceptable to my eye.
 
It's probably easier to define a 'bad copy' as one that just does not produce crisp images even though the lens works perfectly otherwise.

Apart from the visual assessment of sharpness in the shots, my expectations for sharpness were set by the MTF charts for the Z 180-600 which showed that it should be sharper than my Sigma 500 f4. The results on the card showed that it clearly wasn't as well as being unacceptable to my eye.
Thanks, Tigger.

I'd hope that at least 99.9% of new lenses could be classed as "good copies". Actually, even one "bad copy" in a thousand would be unacceptable.

… David
 
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Thanks, Tigger.

I'd hope that at least 99.9% of new lenses could be classed as "good copies". Actually, even one "bad copy" in a thousand would be unacceptable.

… David
Well it sounds like you have been very lucky. As I mentioned in my earlier post I have had 3 obviously bad copies of lenses (2 F-mount, 1 Z-mount) that did not need test charts to discern. In each case the replacement copy was sharp on the first shot. So 3 out of over 15 Nikon lenses over 14 years including many of the exotic super telephotos.
 
I’m looking at picking up the 180-600 and TC 1.4 at some point. Currently I’ve been using a F mount Sigma 150-600 C that I had with a D-750 in the past. It still works well but the motors are somewhat noisy and it doesn’t have weather sealing. I have had some pretty good results with it though. From what I’ve seen the 180-600 is sharper around the mid and corners and a bit more in the center but nothing drastic (center). But the other improvements (weather sealing) are what I’m really after with the Nikon lens. I’m actually not expecting anything to huge from image quality difference.

Here’s a few samples with the Z8 and Sigma 150-600C, shot in RAW and processed in Lightroom.

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I’m looking at picking up the 180-600 and TC 1.4 at some point. Currently I’ve been using a F mount Sigma 150-600 C that I had with a D-750 in the past. It still works well but the motors are somewhat noisy and it doesn’t have weather sealing. I have had some pretty good results with it though. From what I’ve seen the 180-600 is sharper around the mid and corners and a bit more in the center but nothing drastic (center). But the other improvements (weather sealing) are what I’m really after with the Nikon lens. I’m actually not expecting anything to huge from image quality difference.

Here’s a few samples with the Z8 and Sigma 150-600C, shot in RAW and processed in Lightroom.

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Great images thanks - can you tell me what distance wre these shot at please and whether there was any sharpening in Lightroom? It would be good to shoot something to compare now that I have a new copy of the Z 180-600.
 
Great images thanks - can you tell me what distance wre these shot at please and whether there was any sharpening in Lightroom? It would be good to shoot something to compare now that I have a new copy of the Z 180-600.
Very close to the minimum focus distance for the lens, around 3 meters. I used denoise in lightroom, some sharpening but nothing extreme, the subject AI ”pop” feature to distinguish them from the background a bit and the camera matching color profiles, standard with a bit more saturation to bring out the feather colors.

I’d be curious to know how close the two lenses are for sharpness, I’ve seen one youtube comparison and it seemed very close in the center portion but the Z is better in the corners. But the Z has weather sealing, I think a closer focus distance, FN buttons and it’s internal zoom which is better in weather. The Sigma is just very affordable and a pretty good amount of performance for the money, but you would need to protect it well in rain or use a blind that’s weatherproof.
 
Just taken the Z180-600 into Wex Cambridge who supplied it and their simple test showed that focus is very soft so it's an exchange on Friday as I declined to have it sent away for calibration. Thanks to everyone who commented
I, too, had issues with consistently soft images from my 180-600mm. Initially, I was convinced the fault was down to my poor technique. But this theory was doubtful - as, at the same Wetlands Centre, I came away with 100s of pin-sharp shots using my Sigma 150-600mm Sports on my D6. I sent the 180-600mm back to the store and following testing, it was apparent the lens was not focusiing correctly. It was sent to a specialist in Scotland (I am in Wales!!) and was re-centred and calibrated on a whizzy bit of Nikon-approved kit they have.
After much testing back home with me - I am relieved to find the images are now as sharp as I’d expected from the lens.
I know there has been much discussion on the 180-600mm, with some folk very unhappy with the lack of sharpness, while others post stunningly sharp shots. Based purely on my own experience, I do wonder if there are other soft copies out there which require re-centreing?
 
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