Nikon z9 vs Sony A1---Which one

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That is how it starts, you pick up an A9 or A1 and the 200-600 and it's all downhill from there :D.
Yup! It is what I did a1 and 200-600, then decided to try out the 90 macro and yup I was done. Sold all the Nikon gear and moved to Sony. No regrets and the 600f4 just arrived a few days ago. Now buying another a1 and the new 70-200f2.8 MKII they just dropped. Hoping Sony drops the a1 price because of Nikon but my guess is they won't.
 
This is a useful website for those who need to compare cameras and lenses across brands. This is one of the 3 sites I have relied for reliable and honest reviews of Nikon lenses before investing large sums

interesting review. Compare specs, does not talk about usability (ergonomics), image quality, ... Perhaps I don't get it, but I when someone compares two cameras I expect that they would have used both and talk more than specs, but how the camera worked for them (and why). Would you rate a restaurant by only looking at the menu, or would you sample the food?
 
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I really hope the Nikon 600mm Z lens is at least as light as Sony.
The sony and canon lenses are very close in weight. B&H list Sony 600mm at 3.04 Kgm and the Canon R 600mm at 3.1 Kgm The muh older nikon 600E is 3.8 Kgm. Not sure if Nikon will go for the lightest 600 F4 or perhaps add 1.4 TC and make the lens more versatile. And also have 600 PF (perhaps F6.3?)
 
Hi All, I want to heavily invest in either the Sony A1 or Nikon Z9, I really do not shoot video so I do not care about that part as much. I want a camera that can do all. I shoot a lot of Raw files, please be open minded if you are a Sony or Nikon shooter., or would switch etc . Thank you all
I honestly don't think you'd go wrong with either - they're both at the level I like to call "bananas". The playing field is level now (and I'm being generous there, without saying which one I'd choose). Many layers to this personal decision - I'd need to know you personally (your photo needs / goals) before giving you objective advice.

Some considerations - vertical grip preferences, choice & availability of lenses, cost, environments you shoot in, the subjects you shoot, output needs, ergonomics, comfort / familiarity in the system... I could keep going. Make a simple pros / cons list, sleep on it, sleep on it some more. Don't feel rushed or pressured.
 
I'm hearing the Z9 was finding the side of the eye with a silhouette on Joe McNally's shoot. He said he did not miss a frame out of the entire shoot.
I've seen a few samples of the Z9 literally locking steady on someone's eyes, when their face was completely dark / silhouetted in the frame. Eye AF boxes just followed the face around as if they were wearing little square eyeglasses. Amazing.
 
Yup! It is what I did a1 and 200-600, then decided to try out the 90 macro and yup I was done. Sold all the Nikon gear and moved to Sony. No regrets and the 600f4 just arrived a few days ago. Now buying another a1 and the new 70-200f2.8 MKII they just dropped. Hoping Sony drops the a1 price because of Nikon but my guess is they won't.

Congratulations to you and condolences to your bank account! I was contemplating a second a1 after about three days of using the first one, so I could leave one permanently attached to both the 100-400 and 600 GM. My credit card is trembling in fear.
 
Yup! It is what I did a1 and 200-600, then decided to try out the 90 macro and yup I was done. Sold all the Nikon gear and moved to Sony. No regrets and the 600f4 just arrived a few days ago. Now buying another a1 and the new 70-200f2.8 MKII they just dropped. Hoping Sony drops the a1 price because of Nikon but my guess is they won't.
Don't think that Sony will drop the price (much) on the A1. It is still a hot seller.
 
I would love to get the z9 but as a hobbyist I can’t justify it. But the question posed was whether one would but the z9 oppression the A1.
for me, part of the joy in this hobby is the technology behind it. I’m very definitely in the camp of moving forwards and the Z range of lenses offers engineers a serious opportunity to develop some wonderful glass and the z9 itself, for me, offers a big step forward in the camera technology. I realise some will disagree.
 
The sony and canon lenses are very close in weight. B&H list Sony 600mm at 3.04 Kgm and the Canon R 600mm at 3.1 Kgm The muh older nikon 600E is 3.8 Kgm. Not sure if Nikon will go for the lightest 600 F4 or perhaps add 1.4 TC and make the lens more versatile. And also have 600 PF (perhaps F6.3?)
It’s also about the balance and where the weight is. With Sony it’s back towards the rear which makes it much easier to handle.
 
Congratulations to you and condolences to your bank account! I was contemplating a second a1 after about three days of using the first one, so I could leave one permanently attached to both the 100-400 and 600 GM. My credit card is trembling in fear.
I pulled everything up for an insurance agent today and all in I’m at $39k and it’s all paid for in cash. Switching systems minus a 600f4 I didn’t have only cost me around $6k so not to bad but yes I’ve been stimulating the economy this year! I also bought a new MacBook Pro that was $3800 this week :). Sure hope that promotion at work goes through lol
 
I pulled everything up for an insurance agent today and all in I’m at $39k and it’s all paid for in cash. Switching systems minus a 600f4 I didn’t have only cost me around $6k so not to bad but yes I’ve been stimulating the economy this year! I also bought a new MacBook Pro that was $3800 this week :). Sure hope that promotion at work goes through lol
About 3-4 years ago I switched from Canon to Nikon. At first it was not too expensive. But then again I did not initially buy a 600 or D6 :unsure: Adding those in it cost me a bit. Then again I would have upgrade from 1Dx M2 to 1Dx M3, ... so it just a different set of cameras. Cash stil flow out of the check and retirement account Since we don't have kids I am not spending their inheritance
 
I shoot A1 with 200-600mm size 10 gloves, no grip and I may not be normal but I like feel of the A1 personally
I think I support most of the weight with left by holding the lens.
Even though I had lot of Nikon gear I chose to buy A1 since weight was an issue ( I am not a heavily built person)
I was also surprised to get a very sharp image shooting hand held with 1/100 & am glad I picked it up
 
The A1 + 200-600 isn't a light combo IMO,
A1 is 1.625 lbs 200-600 is 4.9lbs (no grip or extra battery) =6.525 lbs
Z9 is 2.95 lbs 500pf is 3.21lbs =6.16lbs

Since Nikon doesn't have a 200-600 yet.. I used the 500pf. I could have swapped out for a 150-600mm =6.13lbs.. which is a little less than the Sony 200-600.

So.. both systems/camera/lenses are neck in neck when it comes to weight.

Advantage goes to Sony for being able to use the camera without a grip.. in the weight and size department....but.. not by much.

This is why It's going to be a struggle when the time comes for me.. personally... to decide between keeping my Nikon gear and buying the Z9 or going with the A1. First world problems ... I know. :) I can see me using a monopod as like you.. I'm getting older... with either system/camera. The Sony with now grip and say the 24mm f/1.4 could be a fun walking around combo.. very light. Same setup with the Nikon would be chunky. So many things to consider... lol

Best of luck with the 200-600 trials... let us know what you think.
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I was comparing Nikon Z9 and yet to be release Nikon 200-600mm lens versus Sony a1 and 200-600mm lens. Think later will be lighter as Nikon lenses maybe slightly heavier than Sony.
 
I was comparing Nikon Z9 and yet to be release Nikon 200-600mm lens versus Sony a1 and 200-600mm lens. Think later will be lighter as Nikon lenses maybe slightly heavier than Sony.
I hope Nikon has gotten the message that many of us would like lighter telephoto options, including for the exotic primes. Certainly the success of the PF lenses should be a clue. Sony and Canon have shown you can make a lighter exotic prime telephoto at least at 600 mm f4. And the 14-24 f2.8S and the 24-70 mm f2.8S lenses are materially lighter than their F mount counterparts — not sure about Sony counterparts. The 70-200 f2.8S is a bit lighter than the 70-200 f2.8E FL.

Given how much more the Z9 weighs than the A1 (with the difference a bit less if you use a grip on the A1), I suspect the Z9 + 200-600 in Nikon will be heavier than the A1 + 200-600 Sony.
 
The A1 + 200-600 isn't a light combo IMO,
A1 is 1.625 lbs 200-600 is 4.9lbs (no grip or extra battery) =6.525 lbs
Z9 is 2.95 lbs 500pf is 3.21lbs =6.16lbs

Age-old zoom-vs-prime comparison. Imagine a camera the size & weight of the a1 with a lens like the 500 PF: a bit under 5 lbs
Given the entirely justified popularity of the PF lenses it baffles me why Nikon didn't prioritize a lighter weight camera body.

BTW add the weight of the FTZ to the Z9+500 PF.
 
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Lens weight on Z mount was one of the topics discussed in the video posted by Matt Irwin recently with Ricci and Seth. Nikon seems to be prioritising optical quality first and then weight savings which is why most of their z mount lenses don't focus breathe unlike Sony. The sony 200-600 lens also has this problem at close distances. I personally prefer slightly heavier lenses that don't focus breathe compared to smaller or lighter lenses with optical compromises.

so this is the card that got best result on this very comprehensive test by Matt Granger:

I was comparing Nikon Z9 and yet to be release Nikon 200-600mm lens versus Sony a1 and 200-600mm lens. Think later will be lighter as Nikon lenses maybe slightly heavier than Sony.
 
I shoot A1 with 200-600mm size 10 gloves, no grip and I may not be normal but I like feel of the A1 personally
I think I support most of the weight with left by holding the lens.

I have large hands and I much prefer the size and weight of the a1 vs. a larger gripped DSLR, even when using the 100-400 or 600 GM. The Z9's bulk and weight is a major disappointment for me.
 
I'm still on the fence with the A1/200-600 combo. I spent some time this morning going back and forth between the A1 and D850... just shooting some shots in the backyard. I really like the feel of the D850 in my hands. The A1 isn't horrible, it's just not as comfortable material wise if that makes any sense? Both have a grip.. I do like the weight of the A1 and the compact design is a plus.. the D850 is pretty thick. But.. it's still better feeling in the hands (to me).
 
I have large hands and I much prefer the size and weight of the a1 vs. a larger gripped DSLR, even when using the 100-400 or 600 GM. The Z9's bulk and weight is a major disappointment for me.
I was put off by the gripped body initially, but after seeing the size of the R3 I realized I have been over thinking it. It is on the heavy side, but the weight is easier to hold at the camera compared to a heavy lens. In the end, it is smaller in most dimensions than a gripped Z body. I liked the grips on my Fujifilm cameras. It’s significantly smaller than a D6 or gripped D850.
I'm still on the fence with the A1/200-600 combo. I spent some time this morning going back and forth between the A1 and D850... just shooting some shots in the backyard. I really like the feel of the D850 in my hands. The A1 isn't horrible, it's just not as comfortable material wise if that makes any sense? Both have a grip.. I do like the weight of the A1 and the compact design is a plus.. the D850 is pretty thick. But.. it's still better feeling in the hands (to me).
For me, Nikon fits my hands better. I think the Z9 will feel perfect since the Z7ii does.
 
I weighed my A1 with grip and two batteries and two SD cards and it came out to 1100g compared to the Z9 with battery and grip listed at 1340g. I tried my 500PF via Commlite adapter onto the A1 and even though having to use an adapter takes away a little of the compact magic of the 500PF when used on a DSLR it is still much lighter and balanced compared to mounting my 200-600 on the A1.

Should be noted that a gripped A1 is very similar in size to a Z9. But the Z9 sure packs on the pounds. Canon did a great job getting the R3 as lightweight as it is.

A1 v Z9 from Polin's video...
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