Pre-Capture

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Tom Reynolds

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My experience is that once a bird photographer experiences competent pre-capture in depth the feature becomes a requirement, not a nice to have.

To experience competent pre-capture the camera must have a decent readout speed, fast enough f/s, a deep enough buffer, quality AF bird subject ID and RAW output. When these features are present, the photographer quickly learns to always shoot in pre-capture because the subject may do something interesting.

A significant change may now occur. Capturing interesting behavior and activity becomes more impotent than superb image quality in that the photographer will consider an image with interesting activity a "keeper" or "fit to print" even when the image IQ is not up to snuff from a prior perspective.

I believe that this is something that must be experienced. As with any new feature it takes time to master it and understand how to deploy it in the field. The flip side is that if a photographer has NOT experience pre-capture in depth that photographer will not understand to real value of pre-capture and, therefore, will tend to discount it.

When the only way to experience pre-capture was with a m43 camera, it was easy to dismiss pre-capture, preferring the advantages of a large megapixel full-frame sensor but the new Canon R5-2 changes the game.

I bring this up in response to an expert bird photographer who shoots the Canon R5. I asked her if she upgraded to the R5-2. She said, "No, although pre-capture would be 'nice to have', the upgrade wasn't worth it."

The expert is something of a Grebe whisperer. She tried to teach me, in her experience, a difficult game. The goal was to catch the grebe as it dove for a fish and catch the reflection of the Grebe's eye in the water. She indicated that most photographers couldn't get the shot. She tried to help me. Based on her knowledge of Grebes she was able to predict when the Grebe was due to dive. She would say, "Get ready, get ready....., get ready, now!" and I was supposed to take the shot.

Of course, I turned on pre-capture and when she said "now" I pressed the shutter. In short order I had dozens of shots to choose from. Looking at the sequence of shots I took, even with her help the Grebe's eye was underwater. No joy. However, backing up the 4/10 second of pre-capture frames always captured 2-3 appropriate poses.

She was amazed.

In my view she shouldn't be. Birds do lots of cool things that we simply can't capture with normal means, but pre-capture makes trivial. You see a bird on a perch, and you take a carefully thought-out image like always. Then you simply turn on pre-capture half-press and wait for the bird to do something interesting. AS you get more into this cool action becomes as important as image IQ. Now you can't live without pre-capture.

Looking at this image I tend to overlook that maybe the black of the head didn't have enough detail. Yep it is a fair crop of an m43 image using a F/6.3 lens at a high shutter speed. What I did focus on was how the water tended to rise around the Grebe's beak at the exact instant of the plunge and how the ripples in the water seem to frame the action. In short, I preferred the action to better IQ.

Ultimately, of course the R5-2 will provide both.

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Once a bird photographer experiences competent pre-capture, the feature becomes a requirement, not a nice to-have.
Tom…

Agreed. Pre-capture is a huge breakthrough for bird photography.

Pre-capture is my default bird photography setting, especially as my camera allows me to switch RAW pre-capture off (or on) instantly without taking my eye from the viewfinder. There's no need to ponder "Where's the button?", because the programmed button is right next to the shutter button.

Dreams sometimes come true!

… David
 
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Useful overview, thank you Tom

It's an important addition, which every modern Pro camera should have as a flagship feature in RAW. All for the better we now have PreCapture in more Hobbyist cameras. The Nikon Z50 II is the latest. Besides birds, the feature is powerful feature for many subjects including humans

Will if not it's not technically feasible in uncompressed RAW format, then the minimum image standard should at least be in compressed RAW.....

......Looking at you, Nikon!!

It's barely 3 years when the feature began to be discussed more widely on forums, well at least for camera systems besides Olympus

I've never forgotten a NatGeo cameraman explaining and demonstrating PreCapture aka PreRecord on a big cinematography camera he'd hired. This was back in 2008 filming on the Congo river..... Well, times have certainly changed for the better.
 
Well said Tom. I owned the A9III for 3 weeks and it did take me a little while to train my brain to a new method of shooting. Not trying to predict behaviour but to just wait till it happens and then push the shutter. I've said this before on these forums that once one trains to shoot after things happen you can actually come home with less frames to cull and better shots than if you are shooting without precapture and always trying to predict things.

Some examples of things I found precapture helped a lot with:
1) Swallows changing directions for a bug. Usually I just fire along as they come towards me and hope I catch the abrupt course correction when they actually see a bug. I waste a lot of frames firing before I know if they will even see a bug on a given flight pass
2) Herons doing fish toss
3) Birds tossing berries
4) Osprey hitting the water
5) KF hitting the water
etc.
What I also found is that anytime I'd have an unexpected BIF opportunity where I'd have to very quickly raise my camera, find the bird in the EVF, activate AF, confirm AF found the bird and fire that with precapture that small delay between the confirmation of AF and the firing of the shutter would often contain some of the best flight frames and precapture would have those saved.

I'm really looking forward to the A1II because of 50MP, precapture in RAW. Bummed a bit that it may just stay at 30FPS. Was hoping to get up to 60FPS for some of my Osprey and KF dive shots where I often miss my ideal entry shot just because 30FPS isn't fast enough. Often can have a frame 1 foot above the water followed by one with all of the legs already into the water. I need the talons touching water!!
 
Interesting option offered to us. To date, I haven't used the pre-capture but that will soon change. .

I know Steve Perry only shoots RAW but I'm hoping he will do a video on the subject. It would be much appreciated if he did.
 
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I agree with your thoughts on pre capture and love my a9III. I also look forward to a new a1 if it includes that feature.

I do however disagree that image IG isn’t still priority. I still put a priority on image quality over anything else.
 
Well said Tom. I owned the A9III for 3 weeks and it did take me a little while to train my brain to a new method of shooting. Not trying to predict behaviour but to just wait till it happens and then push the shutter. I've said this before on these forums that once one trains to shoot after things happen you can actually come home with less frames to cull and better shots than if you are shooting without precapture and always trying to predict things.

Some examples of things I found precapture helped a lot with:
1) Swallows changing directions for a bug. Usually I just fire along as they come towards me and hope I catch the abrupt course correction when they actually see a bug. I waste a lot of frames firing before I know if they will even see a bug on a given flight pass
2) Herons doing fish toss
3) Birds tossing berries
4) Osprey hitting the water
5) KF hitting the water
etc.
What I also found is that anytime I'd have an unexpected BIF opportunity where I'd have to very quickly raise my camera, find the bird in the EVF, activate AF, confirm AF found the bird and fire that with precapture that small delay between the confirmation of AF and the firing of the shutter would often contain some of the best flight frames and precapture would have those saved.

I'm really looking forward to the A1II because of 50MP, precapture in RAW. Bummed a bit that it may just stay at 30FPS. Was hoping to get up to 60FPS for some of my Osprey and KF dive shots where I often miss my ideal entry shot just because 30FPS isn't fast enough. Often can have a frame 1 foot above the water followed by one with all of the legs already into the water. I need the talons touching water!!
This is why I’ve sold one a1 and in the process of selling my other one and keeping my a9III. If the a1 stays at 30fps I can live with that because I've got an a9III for when I need up to 120fps 😀
 
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Excellent points in the discussion above. I have found pre-capture to be the biggest advantage of upgrading from the Canon R5 to the R5II, which offers RAW pre-capture. I use back button autofocus, so can activate pre-capture by simply half pressing the shutter button, then fully pressing the button when the action begins. So pre-capture is always available without needing to press any additional buttons.
 
I agree with your thoughts on pre capture and love my a9III. I also look forward to a new a1 if it includes that feature.

I do however disagree that image IG isn’t still priority. I still put a priority on image quality over anything else.
I was coming in to say the same thing. I use pre capture on my a9iii (and agree with pretty much everything Tom said in the OP), but I still demand the best IQ from the photo. It's not a mutually exclusive paradigm.

At any rate, I like it for all of the reasons @arbitrage mentioned above. Here are a few shots where it really helped (OK, although it wounds my pride to admit it, I don't think I would have had most of these without it!)

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Pre-capture, like most functions in the camera is a tool that can help in some situations.

It is not really a silver bullet, especially if it comes with buffer or JPEG limitations.

Funnily enough, it requires even more in-depth knowledge of a subjects behaviour in order to get a good shot (e.g: how a subject takes off or how it lands and so on).
 
I was coming in to say the same thing. I use pre capture on my a9iii (and agree with pretty much everything Tom said in the OP), but I still demand the best IQ from the photo. It's not a mutually exclusive paradigm.

At any rate, I like it for all of the reasons @arbitrage mentioned above. Here are a few shots where it really helped (OK, although it wounds my pride to admit it, I don't think I would have had most of these without it!)

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But Steve it’s only 24MP!! lol I do believe many have dismissed the a9III because of the MP but looking at your pictures prove skill isn’t replaced by MP. If you didn’t tell people what camera you used no one would be like well nice shot but would be better if you had more MP.
 
But Steve it’s only 24MP!! lol I do believe many have dismissed the a9III because of the MP but looking at your pictures prove skill isn’t replaced by MP. If you didn’t tell people what camera you used no one would be like well nice shot but would be better if you had more MP.
Yeah, people avoid 24 MP - and I get it. If you have to dig deep with the crop tool, 24MP is less than ideal. However, I work hard in the field to minimize cropping so it's not that bad.

FWIW, I just had a 40" metal print made from a cropped Z6iii file (about 20% crop I think)! Looks great - and I'm super picky about these things. I actually had told the lab if they didn't think it would work (Bay Photo), go down to whatever size they thought would still be OK. I needn't have worried. :)

So. I'm OK with 24MP as long as I'm not facing a heavy crop. However, it's tough to convince others.
 
Pre-capture is great, but you also need a range of available shutter speeds depending on the bird. In the case of the OM-1 the non-pro lenses don't really have the speed I would like to get the full benefit from pre-capture, at least with small, very fast birds. It still makes my photography even more fun, and you do get RAW. :)

Yes, there are times I miss full frame for crop-ability and dynamics, but most of my photos are now shared online or via mobile devices so I can't justify the extra size/weight in MY case. The photos still print great in sufficient size that I will just deal with my new, physical, reality.

I still love to travel. I just can't hike like I used to.
 
What I have with pre-capture and what I want.

1-With a Pro lens I have 50f/s in AF mode and 120f/s in focus-once mode. However, with a non-pro lens I only have 25. 50f/s does make a difference.
2-With the OM-1 mk 2 I have a buffer of at least 200 images and can start, stop and restart pre-capture because the mk 2 writes to the card independently of capturing images. (This feature extends the buffer to almost 300 frames @ 25/f/s.)
3-I can set the number of pre-capture frames exactly depending on my reaction time. I don't need 1/2 second and suspect that many here could get away with 1/3 second.

What I want:
1-More megapixels. I don't like the reduction in IQ as a result of cropping. I just live with it.
2-BBAF starts pre-capture. I want to have separate buttons to start pre-capture and initiate capture because holding down a half-press is a pain.

Anything else, all?

Tom
 
Yeah, people avoid 24 MP - and I get it. If you have to dig deep with the crop tool, 24MP is less than ideal. However, I work hard in the field to minimize cropping so it's not that bad.

FWIW, I just had a 40" metal print made from a cropped Z6iii file (about 20% crop I think)! Looks great - and I'm super picky about these things. I actually had told the lab if they didn't think it would work (Bay Photo), go down to whatever size they thought would still be OK. I needn't have worried. :)

So. I'm OK with 24MP as long as I'm not facing a heavy crop. However, it's tough to convince others.
What image did you print on metal? We would love to see it! I have printed on my Canon pro 1000 16x20 images shot with the a9III and even won a couple competitions with images shot with the a9III and no one has asked how many MP lol. I do agree on cropping but what folks need to remember is a camera or any other gear is just a tool in a tool box. I am about to own no a1's until the new one comes out and I am not worried by only have an a9III. I am using that camera 80% of the time now anyway for the type of photography I do.
 
What image did you print on metal? We would love to see it! I have printed on my Canon pro 1000 16x20 images shot with the a9III and even won a couple competitions with images shot with the a9III and no one has asked how many MP lol. I do agree on cropping but what folks need to remember is a camera or any other gear is just a tool in a tool box. I am about to own no a1's until the new one comes out and I am not worried by only have an a9III. I am using that camera 80% of the time now anyway for the type of photography I do.
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What I have with pre-capture and what I want.

1-With a Pro lens I have 50f/s in AF mode and 120f/s in focus-once mode. However, with a non-pro lens I only have 25. 50f/s does make a difference.
2-With the OM-1 mk 2 I have a buffer of at least 200 images and can start, stop and restart pre-capture because the mk 2 writes to the card independently of capturing images. (This feature extends the buffer to almost 300 frames @ 25/f/s.)
3-I can set the number of pre-capture frames exactly depending on my reaction time. I don't need 1/2 second and suspect that many here could get away with 1/3 second.

What I want:
1-More megapixels. I don't like the reduction in IQ as a result of cropping. I just live with it.
2-BBAF starts pre-capture. I want to have separate buttons to start pre-capture and initiate capture because holding down a half-press is a pain.

Anything else, all?

Tom
I second the call for more pixels. (I would also like more choice of long lenses). That would be the thing that would take me back to Nikon: a near Z8 that was OM1 sized. (Assuming it had pre-capture with NEF)
 
I second the call for more pixels. (I would also like more choice of long lenses). That would be the thing that would take me back to Nikon: a near Z8 that was OM1 sized. (Assuming it had pre-capture with NEF)
If you want a body that size Sony is your friend. The legacy camera builders still believe cameras have to be big.
 
I agree pre-capture is really interesting. I use it not only for birds but capturing things like dragonflies coming in for a landing, bees flying around flowers, even got some frogs jumping and a squirrel in mid air jumping from one branch to another. All of those were possible without pre-capture but were mostly luck shots, with pre-capture, the camera takes some of the luck component out of the equation and lets me focus (pun intended) on the scene and where I want to capture the action without needing to worry as much about split second reflexes on the shutter button.
Jeff
 
I just spent several days in Brazil shooting some amazing hummingbirds using pre capture but in poor light. I find that processing the jpgs in PS or LR is frustrating vs the shots I got in raw. I don’t have the means or inclination to switch platforms so what do people suggest for more sophisticated processing of jpgs beyond what's possible in PS and LR?
Z8 and Z9, 180-600mm, iso 6000 and beyond.
 
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