Tell me a good reason to get a Nikon 14-24 lens

[BruceJ]

Its a crazy world at the moment

Its clear Sony has the goods and has had the drop on the industry, they come from a different corner of the paddock, Sony is moving even further into really serious high end Drones that compliments their cinema movie productions. The Small mirrorless cameras also really suit and compliment this direction.

The driving force to all this revaluation in technology is the internet 5G, 5 G II......its driving the way we live and what we do.
The internet has taped into our young 20 plus years ago with the addictive social media, U Tube then Instagram, this generation is today very tech savvy, all our jobs/lives in one way or another include some sort of technology smart phone iPad lap top.....computers.

Our camera stores now stock more accessory items for taking video with Mirrorless cameras, have a look at the expansion of the B and H video web site section compared to 10 years ago.
Currently we are seeing many club members experiencing a lack of enthusiasm for photography generally, why, well the cross roads of Mirrorless from DSLRS is one concern and for many its a big investment to change, also they are seeing so much technology change at the moment they are reluctant to spend just yet if at all, and they are questioning if they can even keep up with the changes.

Also many say they spend a lot of time going out and taking a photo of a sunrise or sunset only to find hundreds and hundreds of the virtually the same thing on the internet.
This is not being negative, this is coming from searching for answers on how too motivate these members to getting back into photography, mind you its not just our club its across the whole sector.

Coved has seen prints in competitions become non existent.

Unbeknown to everyone my last 4 entries that I put into club photographic competition actually were from a smart phone, they competed well and you couldn't tell, entries must not exceed 2 mb or max 1920 by 1200 so why do I need a D850 ? the judging is done on Zoom Meetings..........

I really don't care about the industry or its direction, however keeping a little eye on it doesn't hurt, I care about photography and how to keep members actively involved from a club stand point and its very hard.

Personally I have for other than wild life on say 600mm lenses.........been doing mostly video following the current generation of people LOL, I now can see why especially when I go back to looking at a still image by comparison.

5 G II lets us stream video almost as fast as fast as sending a few still shots by email, I feel all mirrorless cameras will eventually have more effective connectivity similar to smart phones..

Oz down under

I am not sure what the difference is here, but I belong to 4 photo clubs in the area and we just had contests in 2 of the clubs, one club with 30 members had 42 submissions and the other had 31 submissions. Almost half the submissions were art related photographs (heavily Photoshop) and that is what I see as most members are interested in now, sort of a competition with the art world using a camera and computer instead of a brush and canvas such as the one below. In the club you are in why not challenge the members to think outside the box and do things like that for competition.

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[O]

Thankyou for your positive and helpful suggestion, I will put this forward.

The situation is that many members used travel and did the world, so now they are limited to domestic travel, this component is only a small part of the problem of burnout or loosing some interest in photography as they knew it.
Many members are well healed, (well off)
The average age is 60 plus.
We had around 400 members now after Coved down to I think 290 of which 100-150 would meet every Tuesday night at the RSL club, many would have dinner then the meeting, we have presentations by expert photographers in their field, training nights, Nikon Sony Canon comes along now and then and dose a prestation and on days they even hold a hands on try the latest gear yourself day.
Competitions are monthly and you enter set subjects or open glass, usually its 170- to 230 entries monthly usually Judged at the club but since Coved its now by Zoom however as we have no Coved to speak of you can go to the club for the social activity and watch the judging from there as well on a big sports screen in the lounge.

The field is about 35% Nikon 10% Sony 50% Canon 5% other. Mirrorless is 5% DLSRs 95%.
This issue of Mirrorless versus DSLRS ......many who do BIF and to international competition standards use DSLRS (D850) 200-500 150-500 Sigma. Members who bought the 500 PF now have gone back to the 200-500 purely for the flexibility range as they only to often work hard on getting closer to subjects. The 500 PF is mostly used for Surfing or such.

We have editing training days where you book in a day and club members expert in all PS LR Capture One On One all go through a school class room like teaching day using your own lap top work on class examples in real time, it usually goes 6 or 7 hours and lunch is included all for $20, Same with get to know your camera days where expert members contribute their day to teaching other members all aspects of their camera and techniques to raise their skill sets. They set up stalls where DOF, dynamic focusing settings, Grey card testing, the list goes on, members can go around the auditorium to each stall.

With in the club we have have what we call different SIG groups, one for Portraiture, Landscape, Sports action, and so on this is so the people who want to specialize in their subjects can hold their own separate meetings on a different night at the club.
We also have international club competitions where clubs in the UK might compete with us and its been an eye opener.
The club has a very strong corporate structure with 12 committee members, and run so well.
There are planed photographic outings each month.
Despite all this there are members feeling lack luster or motivated to do photography as they used to even before Coved..

Oz Down under

 

[Neil H.]

Thankyou for your positive and helpful suggestion, I will put this forward.

The situation is that many members used travel and did the world, so now they are limited to domestic travel, this component is only a small part of the problem of burnout or loosing some interest in photography as they knew it.
Many members are well healed, (well off)
The average age is 60 plus.
We had around 400 members now after Coved down to I think 290 of which 100-150 would meet every Tuesday night at the RSL club, many would have dinner then the meeting, we have presentations by expert photographers in their field, training nights, Nikon Sony Canon comes along now and then and dose a prestation and on days they even hold a hands on try the latest gear yourself day.
Competitions are monthly and you enter set subjects or open glass, usually its 170- to 230 entries monthly usually Judged at the club but since Coved its now by Zoom however as we have no Coved to speak of you can go to the club for the social activity and watch the judging from there as well on a big sports screen in the lounge.

The field is about 35% Nikon 10% Sony 50% Canon 5% other. Mirrorless is 5% DLSRs 95%.
This issue of Mirrorless versus DSLRS ......many who do BIF and to international competition standards use DSLRS (D850) 200-500 150-500 Sigma. Members who bought the 500 PF now have gone back to the 200-500 purely for the flexibility range as they only to often work hard on getting closer to subjects. The 500 PF is mostly used for Surfing or such.

We have editing training days where you book in a day and club members expert in all PS LR Capture One On One all go through a school class room like teaching day using your own lap top work on class examples in real time, it usually goes 6 or 7 hours and lunch is included all for $20, Same with get to know your camera days where expert members contribute their day to teaching other members all aspects of their camera and techniques to raise their skill sets. They set up stalls where DOF, dynamic focusing settings, Grey card testing, the list goes on, members can go around the auditorium to each stall.

With in the club we have have what we call different SIG groups, one for Portraiture, Landscape, Sports action, and so on this is so the people who want to specialize in their subjects can hold their own separate meetings on a different night at the club.
We also have international club competitions where clubs in the UK might compete with us and its been an eye opener.
The club has a very strong corporate structure with 12 committee members, and run so well.
There are planed photographic outings each month.
Despite all this there are members feeling lack luster or motivated to do photography as they used to even before Coved..

Oz Down under

Where are you based? I'm on the coast near Geelong.

 

[O]

Sydney

 

[BruceJ]

I had a friend named Graham Taarnby in Australia who was in the photo club and had a dog named Soloman and I believe he lived in Adela (or something like that), I havn't heard from him for a couple of years and wonder what happened to him. He would regularly send me photographs he took. Since he was in the photo club might one of you two know what happened to him?

 

[Neil H.]

I had a friend named Graham Taarnby in Australia who was in the photo club and had a dog named Soloman and I believe he lived in Adela (or something like that), I havn't heard from him for a couple of years and wonder what happened to him. He would regularly send me photographs he took. Since he was in the photo club might one of you two know what happened to him?

Hi!
I just did a Google search and this came up for ADELAIDE (Capital city of South Australia). Looks promising. Best of luck making contact.

 

[Neil H.]

I had a friend named Graham Taarnby in Australia who was in the photo club and had a dog named Soloman and I believe he lived in Adela (or something like that), I havn't heard from him for a couple of years and wonder what happened to him. He would regularly send me photographs he took. Since he was in the photo club might one of you two know what happened to him?

Here is an e-mail address for Graham Taarnby :
[email protected]

 

[BruceJ]

Hi!
I just did a Google search and this came up for ADELAIDE (Capital city of South Australia). Looks promising. Best of luck making contact.

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Yes that is him, but he has not replied in 2 years. He lived alone with his dog (his wife passed away many years ago), for 5 years he would communicate with me at least twice a week if not more, then it stopped abruptly and I wondered if something happened to him. I know he was a prominent member in the Adelaide camera club, but I don't have other contacts to find out.

 

[Neil H.]

Yes that is him, but he has not replied in 2 years. He lived alone with his dog (his wife passed away many years ago), for 5 years he would communicate with me at least twice a week if not more, then it stopped abruptly and I wondered if something happened to him. I know he was a prominent member in the Adelaide camera club, but I don't have other contacts to find out.

I suppose all you can do is try another e-mail to that address but he may have changed providers and that could be the source of the problem. I think if you Google his name there are links to camera clubs. You may be able to contact them. He also could have had a computer problem and lost the e-mail contacts .

 

[eaj101]

Which focal lengths do you tend to gravitate to when shooting, with what subjects? For landscapes, I keep coming back to the 20-24mm range, while 14 almost always feels TOO wide - if I get the foreground the right size the background is unrecognizable and to get the background right the foreground comes out wrong. It's a width vs perspective thing. About the only thing I reach for 14mm for is Milky Way shots, and there you have the option of stitched panoramas. That said, the 14-30 Z lens is awesome, and I really like having 30mm available on the long end.

 

[Neil H.]

Which focal lengths do you tend to gravitate to when shooting, with what subjects? For landscapes, I keep coming back to the 20-24mm range, while 14 almost always feels TOO wide - if I get the foreground the right size the background is unrecognizable and to get the background right the foreground comes out wrong. It's a width vs perspective thing. About the only thing I reach for 14mm for is Milky Way shots, and there you have the option of stitched panoramas. That said, the 14-30 Z lens is awesome, and I really like having 30mm available on the long end.

My Nikon 16-35mm f4 for most landscapes but the f2.4is the factor for the Samyang XP 14mm to give the extra light for Milkyway and night images. The Nikon 24-120mm for extra reach completes my set.

 

[O]

There are no rules I shoot landscapes at 14mm to 300mm....and every where in between, its up to you to understand what you are looking for, the lens is only a tool.
The general use of lenses is around 14-to 24 for landscapes, 35 to 50 for travel, 50 -85 for portraiture, 200-500 for wildlife birds............and there are thousands of different opinions as well, again there are no rules.
The 14-24 or equivalent in other brands is a lens that is by many people not really understood and they don't know how to use or drive it to its potential.
Its used for tight situations, paparazzi shots, creative shots, land sea scape, to get the best out of it you need to understand it and what it can do.
For astro i use the 16mm fish eye its sharp, it has something other lenses don't have and that's a 180 degree field of view, it was designed for this use decades and decades ago.
For the ultimate sharpness for landscapes sea scape etc etc the 19mm Tilt shift in Nikon 17mm in Canon and better than both the Schneider tilt shift will see you selling every wide angle ever made.

If you want a good wide angle general tool then use any of the 14-35mm range, they are just tools designed for a purpose, its you that makes the difference.

My reconnaissance research lens is the 28-300, my all round scape shots wide angle or not is 14-24 2.8 and 16mm 2.8 fish eye, next the 70-200 fl.
There will always be one lens or another that will be different or better, but that's only 20% of the equation, the 80% is you.

The best lens and camera you can ever use is the one you have with you at the time.

Only and opinion Oz down Under

 

[RichF]

The Z 12-24 f2.8 S and the Z 14-30 f4 S are so much better than their F mount counterparts, I wouldn't invest in F mount now, just wait til you go Z mirrorless.

Is the F2.8 lens 14-24?

 

[O]

Is the F2.8 lens 14-24?

What camera body do you have

 

[O]

Agree the Z glass on Z bodies have a slight edge but I wouldn't sell the farm just yet.