Tripod and Ball Head Advice

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Another option may just delay purchasing Tripod/ballhead till I am able to put money toward a quality unit.
While the various pieces of advice above may seem a bit in contradiction, it is all good to absorb. Good platform gear (e.g. tripod legs, ballheads, gimbals, etc.) will last you far longer than most camera bodies. And yes, some of it is expensive, but some of it is also good value and well priced as well. Figuring out what falls into the latter camp can be a little bit tricky, but it can be done.

I recommend that if you are on a budget that you buy good gear one piece at a time. I waited a year or two between when I bought a good set of tripod legs and a good ballhead so I could eventually have both. Over the years I have had to buy smaller or more compact tripod legs and ballheads mostly for travel. They are not as good as my main setup (which I feel comfortable stepping away from in high winds if it is loaded properly), so I would not use them with a large DSLR with a big telephoto, but they have served me well for lighter m4/3rd's gear when used properly. @DRwyoming , among others. mentioned some good value gear options that should serve you well. The reason that folks are steering you away from buying badly designed gear that is quite affordable is that you will eventually end up replacing it and then spending your money twice, hopefully without an accident as @Nimi mentioned.

Good luck,

--Ken
 
ISTM that there are two basic attitudes about tripods. Most of us would rather get a root canal than use one. Other people think that any photo taken without one is a snapshot. I have had a set of $100 Slik legs that I use once or twice a year and that will last longer than I do. I have the Sirui K-30 and find it perfectly adequate for my limited use. I also have a Manfrotto fluid head that I used with video and can't quite imagine using for still photos -- it's heavy and bulky. I have a Wimberley sidekick that is perfectly adequate with my ball head for my D500/Nikon 200-500 rig on the rare occasion that I use a tripod with a long lens. For the rare macro stacking I do, I mount a macro rail on the Sirui. Mostly, I use a monopod with a Wimberley MonoGimbal.
OTOH, if you are (or expect you will become) a tripod maven, you are probably best served by mortgaging the house and getting a setup that you can use as a jack to change a flat tire on your car.
 
Thanks for great input, since I recently purchased the Nikon Z 24-120 lens not in the budget at the moment to spend $1,000 + on tripod/ballhead. For now not going to purchase the lowest quality/least expensive set-up, but need to budget less than $600.00.

As others have said, buy cheap and you'll throw it away and then spend serious money.

I would encourage you to watch the Hudson Henry YouTube videos on using a fluid head. I used mine the first time overnight doing some time-lapse. It worked well. For the record I had a RRS BH-55 head that I swapped out. You can't buy a better head however the fluid is a different head and may be a winner. Price for it and the Kirk ARCA clamp adapter was about $320. You then would need legs.

You might look around for used. I'm not big onto used equipment but folks find really nice stuff from time to time.

Also be sure you really need a tripod at this point. If you're just starting out maybe stay handheld for a while?

I wish you the best!
 
So are you refering to the FLM and Leofoto Tripods as cheap and low quality???? Video posted above with HenryHudson, he recommened the Leofoto set of legs???
I have both Leofoto and Gitzo legs and find them to be comparable in quality. I have RRS ball heads on both. The Gitzo sits in the closet these days. Leofoto is my go to.
 
Looking to purchase first Tripod and Ball Head, was considering FLM CP30-S4 or the Leofoto LS-324C with Sirui K-30X ball head. From reviews seems like a good setup without breaking the bank. Anyone own or have any experience with either one of these tripods.
Got a FlexShooter pro which is sort of a cross between ball and gimbal head but has some of the dvntges of a gimbal without the size and weight. I like it a lot.
 
I've used / abused a set of these legs for years. Dirt, rocks, sand, snow, fresh and saltwater and they still function as new.


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Looking through the posts on this thread I don't really see you being explicit on what you want, or why. So, I will tell my story and hope that it helps.

I think you should buy a moderately expensive tripod like the one you propose. This may or may not be the last tripod/head that you buy, but you will be the wiser from the experience. No one can really tell you what to buy. They can only tell about their personal experience. Mine is based on using full-frame bodies (Contax G2, Nikon F5, D810, Z6ii, Z7ii and Z9 with lenses up to 70-200mm) for hiking, traveling, architectural, portrait and macro photography.

I have settled on three main tripods for three different purposes: A Gitzo 01 (30+ years old); a Gitzo Traveler Series 2; and a Gitzo Series 3 Mountaineer.

The 01 is the lightest (2.7 lb with ballhead) and shortest--both closed and extended. It has been around the world several times and works as smoothly as when new. I use it, for example, when travelling by motorcycle or canoe, where space is at a premium. It is short, comes up about chest high, but I have never been bothered by this for landscape and architectural photography, believing that the compromise is worth the size and weight savings. It is a little unsteady for the 70-200mm, but, any port in a storm, eh?

The Traveler (4.1 lb with ballhead) is my most recent acquisition (3 years). I regard this as a "serious" tripod for photo travel. There is a Series 1 version, but this is sufficiently flimsy as to not be worth the minimal weight savings. (This personal opinion also applies to why I am not seduced by tripods such as that made by Peak Design. One can get by using nearby ledges, or pillars and trees, to lean against.) The legs fold up so that the ballhead is enclosed in between them to make it shorter for packing.

Finally, I have the Mountaineer. This travels around in the trunk of my car. I use it for everything else. For instance, I sometimes do photo restorations, so I use this to macro photograph originals--perhaps hanging on the wall--without touching them. Should my Z800mm ever materialize, I will use it for birding.

I have had other tripods, including wooden ones (the original carbon), but these are my current goto's. I've only arrived at this combination by my personal experience...I just think there is no other way to know what is best for you except by diving into to the moderate,/affordable end of the pool and find out what floats your boat (Does this count as a mixed metaphor?).

One thing to watch for is the method for connecting the camera to the head. Some methods are proprietary, flimsy or unsafe. Stick with Arca Swiss compatibility or you might find yourself left out when you forget your plate at home and no one has your proprietary brand...In a crowd of photographers several are likely to have a spare Arca Swiss compatible plate to lend. Also pay attention to how easy, and the time it takes (particularly for low-to-the-ground shots), to set up the tripod. Are there parts that are likely to pinch your fingers when you are in a rush? Does it clean up easily?

Heads are a whole other topic. A ballhead is as good as any place to start and begin to learn.

Anyway, I hope this helps.
 
Two years ago I did a bunch of research and ended up with an FLM CP30-L4II with a Sirui K-30x ball head. I've been very pleased with the price vs. performance for this setup. I do some mechanical design and have a little experience with carbon fiber tubes and I couldn't justify the additional cost for anything else. I do like the extra height on the L4. When I'm at standard heights I don't extend the bottom legs, but I can do so when I need more height. One other thing to consider with tripods, it hasn't been that long ago that a 600f4 weighed as much as 12 lbs whereas now they tend to weigh a bit less than 7lbs. Depending on brand, the cameras are getting lighter as well.
 
Look at B&H used. I purchased a used Manfrotto MT055 for less than $150.00. It's a little heavy at 5 Lb. but it's solid as a rock. This was almost $100.00 off MSRP at the time, and I could only find a little wear on the bottom of the feet-like it had been sitting on an unfinished wood surface. I match that with either my Manfrotto XPRO or my Wimberly Gimbal, all purchase used at B&H. I won't buy used cameras, and seldom used lenses, but accessories I'll save a buck if I can.
 
I currently still use my Gitzo 1325 and RRS BH-15 both of which are 17+ years old (I lost track) and have added a Wimberly Sidekick and all are excellent. That said, my friend bought the Acratech Nomad (which it no longer makes). He loves it and frankly, I am envious of how light it is compared to my BH-55.

Be mindful and consider the following factors in making your choice.

1. The engineer's dilemma. We all want strength/stability, light weight and low cost. You can have 2 of the 3 or to some degree compromise all three to find the balance that works best for you.
2. Whatever you buy, you have to carry. Do you shoot close to the car or are you hiking in?
3. What conditions do you shoot in? For example, windy? Then you need better stability ect.
4. What will you be mounting on it? Z9 and 600 f/4 have different requirements than a Z7II and a 14-30.
5. Are you photographing static or moving subjects? Moving subjects on a ball head are not as good as with the Sidekick or even better, a full gimble. If you are shooting wildlife with a side of landscape, you might consider a smaller, lighter, less expensive ball head and full gimble.
6. How tall are you? How much stooping over can your back and neck handle? How close to the ground do you want to be able to get?

Do you have a good local camera shop? The only real way to figure this stuff out is to try it out and see how it works for you, because how it works for me is largely irrelevant. You might also look into renting some gear to see how it works for you or buy what you will use frequently and rent what you need for special occasions. You might also consider the used market (that's where I got my Sidekick).

Good article here


Some reviews here:


Good luck.
 
I use RRS ball heads and have been really happy. I also use and recommend Robus tripod legs which is a B&H brand, I believe they are on sale right now. They have been great after years of use and travel and for the money pretty tough to beat. They are a very close RRS knock off. I haven’t tried their heads just the legs and monopod.
 
Also something to consider is what are you putting on the tripod? If newer mirrorless gear and or smaller lenses the gear is a lot lighter than say a DSLR with similar focus length in glass. Even the big primes like a 600F4 are lighter than the old ones. I do buy more than needed but I’ve got different size heads and tripods and with the gear being lighter my older big set of legs is overkill for what I need now using mirrorless.
 
I use RRS ball heads and have been really happy. I also use and recommend Robus tripod legs which is a B&H brand, I believe they are on sale right now. They have been great after years of use and travel and for the money pretty tough to beat. They are a very close RRS knock off. I haven’t tried their heads just the legs and monopod.
I'm in the same boat as you. And I've been really happy with the choice.
 
I also use and recommend Robus tripod legs which is a B&H brand, I believe they are on sale right now. They have been great after years of use and travel and for the money pretty tough to beat. They are a very close RRS knock off.
After several years with an Oben CF tripod, I noticed the center column wiggled a bit, even with the collar cranked down solidly. As in, tighten the snot out of it, grab the bottom and wiggle it back and forth a good 1/8" or more. No bueno. Plus I didn't like that the center column was keyed, meaning the QR clamp (per Steve's excellent suggestion) was at a goofy angle. So I upgraded to a Robus and couldn't be happier. That thing is ROBUST. It's systematic, so I use the plate for my ballhead, and the half-bowl with leveler for my gimbal.

Tripod (I bought off Amazon, not B&H, at the time it was about $100 cheaper):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PHLZYBM/?tag=backcogaller-20

Half-bowl adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GYKXT63/?tag=backcogaller-20

Ironically, I've been using the same ballhead for probably over 20 years! In my early days, I had a photographer uncle that suggested the Arca-Swiss B1 ballhead. Bought one and loved it, so much I recently bought a second, used one for a backup set of legs.
 
I read an article a few years ago at the Center Column that was interesting. They had calculated stiffness ratings, and I refined that with my own weights for stiffness, height, and weight. I found they only evaluated stiffness with each tripod fully extended, and that failed to consider some tripods were too short and others benefitted from not being fully extended and would be stiffer. They also assumed lighter weight was always better, but I limited the advantage of a light weight tripod because some were too light to be stable turning lower weight into a negative beyond some point. They also did not consider the height needs, and I established an optimum height with a penalty for shorter tripods and no advantage for anything taller.

Here is the ranking based on my revised criteria:
TripodPrice (2019)
FLM CP38-L4 II$841
RRS TVC-34L$1,160
RRS TVC-24L$1,030
Feisol Elite CT-3472 M2$600
Gitzo GT3533LS Sytematic$860
RRS TVC-33$1,025
Gitzo GT4533LS Systematic$970
RRS TVC-33S$990
ProMediaGear TR343L$850

One additional test you might consider is see what it takes to contact customer service to replace a leg lock. In the US, Really Right Stuff has great customer support. Some of the others are very difficult to get service or parts. I had a cracked leg casting on my Gitzo 3 series and needed to get the part from the UK. Some of the Chinese models don't really have customer service at all.

The other thing you might consider is resale value. I have two Gitzo tripods. The one I bought first was a used Gitzo alloy tripod - and I can sell it today for over 90% of what I paid 15 years ago. My 3 series CF Gitzo is currently worth 2/3 of what I paid for it 10 years ago. My RRS ballhead has been used for 15 years and is worth what I paid or maybe more. If you can buy a premium used tripod or ballhead, you'll save money.
 
Also something to consider is what are you putting on the tripod? If newer mirrorless gear and or smaller lenses the gear is a lot lighter than say a DSLR with similar focus length in glass. Even the big primes like a 600F4 are lighter than the old ones. I do buy more than needed but I’ve got different size heads and tripods and with the gear being lighter my older big set of legs is overkill for what I need now using mirrorless.
My current set-up is: Nikon Z6ii+Nikon Z 24-120+Nikon 200-500 f5.6. Plan is to purchase Z version of 200-500 or Z 100-400 or a prime.
 
My current set-up is: Nikon Z6ii+Nikon Z 24-120+Nikon 200-500 f5.6. Plan is to purchase Z version of 200-500 or Z 100-400 or a prime.
The 200-500 is a bit chunky, but the 100-400 is really compact (and totally hand hold able at suggested shutter speeds). You should have more leg options, especially if you replace the 200-500 and do not acquire any more large glass since you do not have significant weight requirements.

Good luck,

--Ken
 
The 200-500 is a bit chunky, but the 100-400 is really compact (and totally hand hold able at suggested shutter speeds). You should have more leg options, especially if you replace the 200-500 and do not acquire any more large glass since you do not have significant weight requirements.

Good luck,

--Ken
Thanks, Yes plan is to replace 200-500 with another similiar zoom lens or a prime.
 
A tripod is really essential for landscapes. Take a look at

Gitzo Lightweight Series 2 Traveler Carbon Fiber Tripod with Center Ball Head, Silver & Black (GK2545T-82QDUS)​

$599 at Amazon
 
Thanks, Yes plan is to replace 200-500 with another similiar zoom lens or a prime.
I suspect that you should be good with some mid-range legs like the Feisol set, or something similar, that Eric mentioned above. And a good mid-range ballhead should do fine as well. I started with Nikon DSLR's and bought a Gitzo Series 3 set of legs and then used Olympus and Panasonic bodies for a number of years. The requirements between the two systems was fairly large. The Z6II sits somewhere in the middle, so unless you have extreme needs, you have a lot more choices that should serve you well for years to come. Lots of good brand recommendations mentioned above. And note that Eric touched upon the "unspoken" with respect to warranty support. It is quite hit and miss and not all of it is tied to price. I do like my Gitzo, but I do know a number of owners or former owners who were not happy with what they had to do to get any support when they needed replacement parts. I cannot say that a lot of the companies are that much better, and I know that some are worse, so do not get your hopes to high for support.

--Ken
 
Look at B&H used. I purchased a used Manfrotto MT055 for less than $150.00. It's a little heavy at 5 Lb. but it's solid as a rock. This was almost $100.00 off MSRP at the time, and I could only find a little wear on the bottom of the feet-like it had been sitting on an unfinished wood surface. I match that with either my Manfrotto XPRO or my Wimberly Gimbal, all purchase used at B&H. I won't buy used cameras, and seldom used lenses, but accessories I'll save a buck if I can.
I agree with Maljo on this one, except I'll add to look at more than B&H for used gear. At times, there are plenty of good used tripods, often with heads, offered for sale at inexpensive prices. If you're not picky about aluminum legs, you could be looking at a top-end unit from yesteryear that mainly differs only in weight, not performance.
 
The 200-500 is relatively demanding on tripods and ballheads. It extends as you zoom so you are much more likely to have an unbalanced setup. That puts more pressure on the legs and the tripod head.

I would stick with a Series 3 size legs and not a Series 2 for the 200-500 or equivalent 200-600. I would also make sure you have a full sized ballhead like the RRS BH-55 - not a smaller setup. The 100-400 or a lens as large as the 400 PF or 500 PF would be okay on a BH-40 sized head, but a larger head would be preferable.

There is no standard for measuring weight capacity across tripod models. RRS states a 55 pound capacity, but they have demonstrated it will support the owner of the company. For others, the stated capacity is the point of failure. The stated capacity is helpful within a single company.
 
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