Using a Van for Photo Expeditions

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I bought a teardrop trailer 4 years ago which is what I travel with now, mainly to national parks. Works great. I’ll add too that I used to drive 80 most of the time on the highways. Learning to drive slower while towing has been a true blessing. I now drive 60-65 and it so much less stressful than putting the pedal to the metal and thinking I have to pass everybody. I guess there are some advantages to getting older. LoL 😂.
 
You are going to love it. Congratulations.
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We tow a 28 foot fifth wheel. It is capable of dry camping for about seven days. We have an inverter and solar panels which allow us to use most of our appliances, except the A/C. We can go anywhere on public lands that allow dispersed camping, no campground required. It is more like a base camp. As of a couple of months ago we have Starlink internet service which is a bit expensive but only needs to be turned on when it is being used. Literally anywhere we go the internet follows us.

Our tow vehicle is a Ram 3500 diesel long bed which is a similar chassis length to a Sprinter. It has lots of storage and tool boxes can be added to the truck bed. The Ram will go literally anywhere but it is easy to become over confident.

I have looked at vans but keep coming back to a smallish fifth wheel. It just gives us more flexibility.
As a long time full timer in the RV…you are right. A 5ver is really the closest thing to a sticks and bricks house for long term living or travel. Class As are too much like living in a tube and while a travel trailer, class C, or van are fine for a weekend or even a couple of weeks…they’re just inadequate for lifestyle as opposed to vacation.
 
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Just seen this thread. Mark Denny posted YouTube videos on his Sprinter van:




Hope the order ids right.
Graham,

Thank you so much for sharing this video with me. It was great and a lot of help. I made notes to discuss with the builder. I'm not a DIY person, which would be nice because it would have cost me a lot less but the upside is I'll get the van, completely finished, in under two months. I think the guy in the video did a great DIY job with his van. I had to laugh a couple of times, he sounds a lot like me about food, four or five simple things to eat and I can repeat that and good to go. I lived on peanut butter or cheese sandwiches in Yellowstone this year for two weeks. He has the same size van I do, too, so that was good when he was talking about the roof, rack, and solar. I really want to get on the roof to take photos but that is still under discussion with the builder. Again, thanks, very helpful videos.

Connie
 
For photo trips I have found the Class C motorhomes to provide the best living space and work space of an RV and no issues like those towing a trailer. A number of smaller Class C motorhomes with AWD are available. With a 22 foot long tow vehicle and a 20 foot trailer in tow it can be very difficult to get up to freeway speeds to safely merge with traffic.

You should be aware that at BLM lands where there are no public toilets the only camping allowed is for those with a full self-contained RV.

A separate issue is the length of the tow vehicle and trailer as most camping spaces in the west at USFS and park campgrounds were created many years ago and anything longer than 30 feet will not fit in 90% of them and so one is relegated to the KOA type of places.
 
Graham,

Thank you so much for sharing this video with me. It was great and a lot of help. I made notes to discuss with the builder. I'm not a DIY person, which would be nice because it would have cost me a lot less but the upside is I'll get the van, completely finished, in under two months. I think the guy in the video did a great DIY job with his van. I had to laugh a couple of times, he sounds a lot like me about food, four or five simple things to eat and I can repeat that and good to go. I lived on peanut butter or cheese sandwiches in Yellowstone this year for two weeks. He has the same size van I do, too, so that was good when he was talking about the roof, rack, and solar. I really want to get on the roof to take photos but that is still under discussion with the builder. Again, thanks, very helpful videos.

Connie

Thought they would be useful as it is the same van as yours.
 
For photo trips I have found the Class C motorhomes to provide the best living space and work space of an RV and no issues like those towing a trailer. A number of smaller Class C motorhomes with AWD are available. With a 22 foot long tow vehicle and a 20 foot trailer in tow it can be very difficult to get up to freeway speeds to safely merge with traffic.

You should be aware that at BLM lands where there are no public toilets the only camping allowed is for those with a full self-contained RV.

A separate issue is the length of the tow vehicle and trailer as most camping spaces in the west at USFS and park campgrounds were created many years ago and anything longer than 30 feet will not fit in 90% of them and so one is relegated to the KOA type of places.

Not sure who you were replying to, but as for this, I'm fine: "You should be aware that at BLM lands where there are no public toilets the only camping allowed is for those with a full self-contained RV." I've already bought the Class B. What I would not mind towing, maybe, is the perfect Yellowstone vehicle, a Smart Car, I could park it almost anywhere! Or maybe one of those motorcycle cars, that might work, too.
 
You should be aware that at BLM lands where there are no public toilets the only camping allowed is for those with a full self-contained RV.
That’s not accurate, here’s a link to BLM policies regarding human waste for dispersed camping:


There is no requirement to have an RV or vehicle with an integrated toilet to camp on BLM land.

I’ve tent camped, truck camped and van camped on BLM land for decades often in the company of a couple of friends who are BLM employees. Responsible waste management is required which varies by terrain and soil type but dispersed camping is not limited to RVs.
 
Perhaps instead of shooting from the roof you could consider a way to shoot from the floor of the van through an open door covered with a light mesh curtain? That would give you a lower perspective and save the roof for solar panels. Just trying to think out of the box.....!
I did exactly that a couple of times this spring. Once while shooting a roadside sage grouse lek and another time with burrowing owls. I just hang some camo cut out cloth over the open sliding door, sit in a low camp chair with my 600mm f/4. It can work great for wildlife off the side of backroads that doesn’t move around too much.
 
I can suggest some locations in the Sierra Nevada and one in the Cascades - but PM only!

Lewis Kemper has been in AK most of the summer, I presume camping in his van. Winter finds him in the Sacramento area. Sounds like he'd be a great resource.
Lewis does a lot of photography on the American River from his kayak.
 
Perhaps instead of shooting from the roof you could consider a way to shoot from the floor of the van through an open door covered with a light mesh curtain? That would give you a lower perspective and save the roof for solar panels. Just trying to think out of the box.....!
Yes, I was thinking about doing that, too, as needed. I'm looking at getting one walk-on solar panel to be able to sit on the roof, they cost more than the non-walk on type. Still under consideration with the builder.
 
Yes, I was thinking about doing that, too, as needed. I'm looking at getting one walk-on solar panel to be able to sit on the roof, they cost more than the non-walk on type. Still under consideration with the builder.

For me the ability to be able to shoot from the rear or side door is fairly easy to arrange without having to think about designing it in. Shooting from the roof will have advantages inthat an elevated viewpoint can make a place that nobody considers worth shooting from perfect to shoot from and will give you so many more opportunities..
 
Hoping this does not get kicked off, but it is about photography so hopefully it will stay. Does anyone use a van, like a Sprinter or maybe even a truck-camper shell, as the transportation and home base for photo shoots? Pros and Cons, aside from you have to take it with you as you go. I just bought a Sprinter and I'm having it outfitted and plan to take it to California wildlife refuges and other appropriate places (maybe Bosque but not sure about that yet), but not Yellowstone/Teton, that would not work for me. Any issues with leaving gear in it? How do you transport photo gear in it, other than on the bed perhaps? Any problems charging batteries/cameras? Anything I should know or be aware of in particular about using a van as a photo home base for photo shoots?
Sprinter vans, particularly the four-wheel-drive ones can make very good camping vehicles particularly Boondocking if outfitted properly. However, I sold my sprinter camper van in favor of a travel trailer, for me setting up a base camp and working out of that is easier. However, that’s just me. I would suggest that you be mindful of the cost of a sprinter van, particularly the cost of service. Be prepared, depending on where you go for $1000 oil changes. Another factor in getting rid of the sprinter was having a wheel sensor go out in Scotts Bluff Nebraska while on our way to YNP and having to drive 400 miles out of our way to get it repaired. Even in that situation, I had to work some magic with a Mercedes rep that I happen to know to be able to get them to do the work quickly. If I hadn’t done that, it was a 4-6 week wait. Mercedes is also very picky about their warranty if they don’t do the work. You have to be careful because non-Mercedes service can often times avoid a warranty. You can get Ford or Chevy worked on anywhere.
Not trying to be negative, but just suggesting that you know what you’re getting into with a sprinter. With that being said, I really liked the sprinter it handled great and the service issues and cost only played a minor role in the reason to get rid of it. It was more based on wanting to set up a base camp and be a bit more nimble with the smaller vehicle.
 
Yes, this is certainly YMMV. I've also considered the trailer option but it limits my ability to turn around in limited space i.e., one-lane forest road, and backing a trailer on these roads is Not Fun.

I don't do any setup/leveling/hookups etc. Most of my campsites are in US Forest Service campgrounds that have little more than a table, a bear box, an outhouse and a water supply, and some are even free. The last few I've camped in had numerous spaces available so there was a very low risk of someone taking the space.
I have a 16 foot Jay Micro camper. It's a 3 season camper. I can back it or turn around anywhere. I like that I can drop it for the day, take my vehicle out for photos. Fresh water is 45 gallons. Solar panels. It came with a TV, which I removed and replaced with lockable shelving for my photo gear. Small generator and/or portable battery units that hook up to solar to charge all my gear. I take this everywhere.
 
FWIW, I'm out in the field in a camper quite a bit (and have camped for decades in every way you can imagine), and we have considered something like a sprinter van. However, what always stops me is that I don't want to set up and break camp all the time. I'm up early and if I have to unhook everything that means getting up even earlier. Then, when I'm going in late after shooting, it's back to hooking up the things I need, leveling, etc. Plus, I've heard more than a few instances where people have decided that, despite a tag, a campsite wasn't being used and moved in while the registrant was out and about (state and government campgrounds). I spent 60 days out west this year, no way would I want to setup and take down that many times. (And yes, I realize you can do just the bare minimum or even just pull in at night and call it good, but at multiple points doing the same stay you'll still be hooking up to services and unhooking.)

For me, a small camper towed with an SUV is much nicer. You have a smaller vehicle when you're out exploring and a single set up / break down at camp. YMMV, of course.
My wife and I have a 2021 Leisure Travel Van Unity Murphy Bed that we use exclusively for birding/photography trips. We've been to the UP in Michigan, out to the Outer Banks, Virginia, North and South Carolina and Florida(so far) and find it works perfectly for use. Plenty of storage, lots of storage space, solar, generator, etc. and your own bathroom. at 25' long is still fits into many places comfortably. Wildlife drives are mostly doable also. This is a sprinter based RV, 2 wheel drive with a turbo diesel engine. It has been nearly perfect for our birding adventures! We frequent NE Ohio most of the time and hit the Lake Erie birding trail spots, such as Maumee Bay, Magee Marsh, etc.
Best decision we ever made for our adventures. Being able to pick up and go in just a few minutes from either the campsite or a birding spot is great.
 
I have a 16 foot Jay Micro camper. It's a 3 season camper. I can back it or turn around anywhere. I like that I can drop it for the day, take my vehicle out for photos. Fresh water is 45 gallons. Solar panels. It came with a TV, which I removed and replaced with lockable shelving for my photo gear. Small generator and/or portable battery units that hook up to solar to charge all my gear. I take this everywhere.
If we were interested in some sort of RV for short trips…photography or otherwise…a small travel trailer would be our choice over a van conversion or class B/C. We fulltimed in a 40 foot 5ver for 8 years and for us leaving the rig at the RV park and taking the truck or whatever for outings would be the preferred solution by far. Nothing wrong with the van types…but they’re generally more expensive and while they do have tanks…if you’re in an RV campground you’re going to want utilities unless it’s a single night stay…and unhooking and rebooking all that up twice a day would get old quickly. When we had multi day travel periods…we always got a pull through and put the landing gear down but did not unhitch and generally made sure we had water and empty tanks and hooked up only power. Our style means that we would not even really consider a van conversion…but a lot of people like them.
 
I have a 16 foot Jay Micro camper. It's a 3 season camper. I can back it or turn around anywhere. I like that I can drop it for the day, take my vehicle out for photos. Fresh water is 45 gallons. Solar panels. It came with a TV, which I removed and replaced with lockable shelving for my photo gear. Small generator and/or portable battery units that hook up to solar to charge all my gear. I take this everywhere.
If we were interested in some sort of RV for short trips…photography or otherwise…a small travel trailer would be our choice over a van conversion or class B/C. We fulltimed in a 40 foot 5ver for 8 years and for us leaving the rig at the RV park and taking the truck or whatever for outings would be the preferred solution by far. Nothing wrong with the van types…but they’re generally more expensive and while they do have tanks…if you’re in an RV campground you’re going to want utilities unless it’s a single night stay…and unhooking and rebooking all that up twice a day would get old quickly. When we had multi day travel periods…we always got a pull through and put the landing gear down but did not unhitch and generally made sure we had water and empty tanks and hooked up only power. Our style means that we would not even really consider a van conversion…but a lot of people like them.
My wife and I have a 2021 Leisure Travel Van Unity Murphy Bed that we use exclusively for birding/photography trips. We've been to the UP in Michigan, out to the Outer Banks, Virginia, North and South Carolina and Florida(so far) and find it works perfectly for use. Plenty of storage, lots of storage space, solar, generator, etc. and your own bathroom. at 25' long is still fits into many places comfortably. Wildlife drives are mostly doable also. This is a sprinter based RV, 2 wheel drive with a turbo diesel engine. It has been nearly perfect for our birding adventures! We frequent NE Ohio most of the time and hit the Lake Erie birding trail spots, such as Maumee Bay, Magee Marsh, etc.
Best decision we ever made for our adventures. Being able to pick up and go in just a few minutes from either the campsite or a birding spot is great.
Please note that the OP in Post #1 indicated she had already bought a Sprinter van..........and is seeking ideas about customizing IT.
 
I’ve often fantasized about putting one of these on a Toyota Tacoma for a “minimalist” camping rig. I think renting a cabin/Airbnb as your home base, combined with one of these for 1-2 day side trips could be very doable.

 
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Congratulations on deciding to buy a van and outfit it for your photography adventures. I think that this is a great way to travel with gear, sleep and rest on the fly, and know that you've got the flexibility to camp or motel it on a whim.
I traveled with an R-Pod tow trailer for about 8 years and loved having a camper that could be towed by a Jeep Grand Cherokee. This served as a perfect way to park a camper for days and shoot a national park or BLM land. I, however, do not enjoy setting up camp and breaking it down. Furthermore, if you are between locations and decide to shoot while having trailer attached to your vehicle, it is a real struggle to park or move around. After years of working with a trailer, I sold my rig in 2022.
Fast forward to today,.. and I decided to jump back into the camper world with a camper van. I could not bring myself to spend the money on a sprinter, and I wanted something smaller and easier to park anywhere. While they are old and expensive to repair, I decided to buy a 2002 Eurovan with the Winnebago treatment. My van is currently being restored to factory production levels and comes with a 12 month /12,000 mile warranty. I've decided to add rooftop solar and a transmission cooler to keep it running smooth. While this is not a "cheap" way in, it is a little more than half of what I could find in a Sprinter that is outfitted similarly.
I think you're making a great decision and wish you well once you get to hit the road... Here's to running into other camping/vanning/trailering photographers in 2025!
bruce
 
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